In the Darnati, Wraiths, and Outland Scouts previews they listed the release date as Q4 2017. Now, I know that FFG isn't perfect about hitting their target dates, but is this a worrying sign at all? The "Upcoming" page has Darnati listed "at the printer" and the Wraiths and Scouts are listed as "in development".

Anyone have a different update?

I don't have any additional info, and it is a bit concerning. I believe they are putting all hands on deck for the imminent release of Legion, and then hopefully things will calm down for both games so they can coexist. There was a huge push for Runewars earlier this year, and the only reason I can figure for the delay is Legion. Their miniatures department is relatively new, so they probably don't have the resources to devote to both games while one is in the launch phase.

...or maybe the upcoming page is just out of date, and we'll see these things ship in the next few weeks or so. Stranger things have happened.

Unfortunately this has happened in the past. Things happen, things cause delays. Unfortunately they aren't going to update us. We might get a late Q1 release for Darnati, but I wouldn't expect the others until Q2 unless they go to printer this week.

This might be indicative of the folks realizing that getting all four factions onto a similar unit count could be important for competitive play, as well. Keep in mind we didn't see any competitive play documents until after Darnati Warriors were announced. It could very well be that the act of writing up and codifying tournament legality put the bug in somebody's brain that having seven unique units released (and thus tournament legal) for two factions, six for another, and... 4 for the fourth isn't conducive to a very healthy tournament meta, long-term, and thus it's helpful to get the Uthuk caught up and move forward with a release schedule with more parity that gives all of its players, regardless of faction, new toys at the same times.

If that's the case, I'd expect to see Uthuk releases this month, maybe Darnati in February along with rapid-fire releases for Uthuk (that maybe have gotten bumped from the hype cycle to focus on Legion and L5R?), and then move forward with Wraiths, Scouts, and whatever's in the pipeline for Latari and Uthuk as a single release (or maybe a one-two back-to-back months release to spread it out a little bit -- that'd be fine, tournament-wise, especially if they varied the pairings from release to release so it wasn't always Daqan and Waiqar getting new stuff before Latari and Uthuk).

I'd love for the Uthuk expansions to release this month, but they are still in development, not at the printer. True, those statuses aren't always up to date, but I'm doubtful about the Uthuk expansions releasing until late February, or even later.

I, too, have a hunch that the delay is because of Legion, but there's just no way of knowing.

18 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:

I'd love for the Uthuk expansions to release this month, but they are still in development, not at the printer. True, those statuses aren't always up to date, but I'm doubtful about the Uthuk expansions releasing until late February, or even later.

I, too, have a hunch that the delay is because of Legion, but there's just no way of knowing.

Uthuk expansions have been at the printer since August (according to the always mysterious Upcoming page).

49 minutes ago, kaffis said:

This might be indicative of the folks realizing that getting all four factions onto a similar unit count could be important for competitive play, as well. Keep in mind we didn't see any competitive play documents until after Darnati Warriors were announced. It could very well be that the act of writing up and codifying tournament legality put the bug in somebody's brain that having seven unique units released (and thus tournament legal) for two factions, six for another, and... 4 for the fourth isn't conducive to a very healthy tournament meta, long-term, and thus it's helpful to get the Uthuk caught up and move forward with a release schedule with more parity that gives all of its players, regardless of faction, new toys at the same times.

If that's the case, I'd expect to see Uthuk releases this month, maybe Darnati in February along with rapid-fire releases for Uthuk (that maybe have gotten bumped from the hype cycle to focus on Legion and L5R?), and then move forward with Wraiths, Scouts, and whatever's in the pipeline for Latari and Uthuk as a single release (or maybe a one-two back-to-back months release to spread it out a little bit -- that'd be fine, tournament-wise, especially if they varied the pairings from release to release so it wasn't always Daqan and Waiqar getting new stuff before Latari and Uthuk).

So here's the thing. Nothing for Runewars is on the boat. 99% of things FFG releases goes to on the boat status, and then ends up in stores 8-10 weeks later. To expect anything this month is setting yourself up for disappointment.

1 minute ago, rowdyoctopus said:

Uthuk expansions have been at the printer since August (according to the always mysterious Upcoming page).

Oops. You're right, I got that mixed up with shipping on the boat.

My guess is that the shipping company that was used to bring th goods from the chinese manufacturer to the US for distrigution was Hanjin, because it was not just Runewars that was left with things that were late. The SW RPG had things "on the boat" that went back to being at the printers and only just became available last month after being slated for iirc an August release.

For those that dont know Hanjin was a massive shipping company that went into receivership last year, as a result boats that were at sea were refused port because the ports were uncertain that they would get paid, and those boats that did port were slapped in place with the loads onboard as the receivers stepped in and seized those boats, goods as well. This has left a lot of companies with months of backlog of supply chain problems and shipping shortages as they have to re-source and remanufacture those goods again, and start at day one production. These effects are still being felt today by those companies.

If FFG are one of those companies, this is a strong testement to their resilience in being able to not only recover but to weather the storm themselves as well as they have without having more visible financial problems of their own, as they will be out of pocket for those goods that are still onboard those boats or are impounded while the recievers sort through things, without any sign of a financial return any time soon.

All this is speculative to say the least, but given the timing of when the delays started last year , it's a little too coincidental, and given the size of Hanjin on a global scale never mind it's size in the asian marker it is very likely that it was the carrier of choice for FFG, or their Chinese supplier, whoever paid for the shipping. There was also a recent announcement that they sourced expanded production, which I would imagine would be first used to drop their backlog before moving onto making new product (which will have been already in production with the existing suppliers in place, and would come out normally albeit delayed due to the likely shipping delays as a result of companies having to re-order to replace the "missing" stock.

I would hate to have been in charge a smaller company caught out by this.

FFG never meets their projected dates. We call it the Armada problem. Hanjin was also much much earlier this year. (bankruptcy declared in February)

5 hours ago, rowdyoctopus said:

Uthuk expansions have been at the printer since August (according to the always mysterious Upcoming page).

So here's the thing. Nothing for Runewars is on the boat. 99% of things FFG releases goes to on the boat status, and then ends up in stores 8-10 weeks later. To expect anything this month is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Under normal circumstances I'd make the same assumptions. The Daqan and Waiqar expansions last summer hit stores without the regular updates though. So I'm not sure whether to be optimistic or pessimistic this time around.

6 hours ago, kaffis said:

This might be indicative of the folks realizing that getting all four factions onto a similar unit count could be important for competitive play, as well...

I like the optimism! I hope you're right!

4 hours ago, Elliphino said:

Under normal circumstances I'd make the same assumptions. The Daqan and Waiqar expansions last summer hit stores without the regular updates though. So I'm not sure whether to be optimistic or pessimistic this time around.

They all went through the process...

I think the upcoming page has had a number of issues last couple months. I've seen things sit at the printer for months then fast track thru on the boat to shipping in a little over a week.

I would take the upcoming page with a number of grains of salt until it gets back to normal.

23 hours ago, Ywingscum said:

I think the upcoming page has had a number of issues last couple months. I've seen things sit at the printer for months then fast track thru on the boat to shipping in a little over a week.

I would take the upcoming page with a number of grains of salt until it gets back to normal.

What was only on the boat for a week?

SW Destiny Legacy boosters and starters

I thought back at gencon they said uthuk and darnati would be delayed to first quarter

2 hours ago, Jukey said:

I thought back at gencon they said uthuk and darnati would be delayed to first quarter

That's helpful to know

10 hours ago, Ywingscum said:

SW Destiny Legacy boosters and starters

That was a special case. They announced ahead of time there would be a limited release on the 4th, and then updated that to the 11th. They most likely airlifted in product, which is faster than boat, and whoever is updating the Upcoming Page has updated Legacies coinciding with this special preview wave. It's not the full release.

Yeah not full 'release'. But the shipment is the size of a full release. It is a full release they are just calling it a preview wave. So it's not legal for regionals.

1 hour ago, Ywingscum said:

Yeah not full 'release'. But the shipment is the size of a full release. It is a full release they are just calling it a preview wave. So it's not legal for regionals.

This is false. The shipment is not the size of the full release. Alliance sales reps have been spreading misinformation.

12 minutes ago, rowdyoctopus said:

This is false. The shipment is not the size of the full release. Alliance sales reps have been spreading misinformation.

I don't think so.

regardless original point stands, upcoming page is unreliable, and more so lately.

2 hours ago, Ywingscum said:

I don't think so.

regardless original point stands, upcoming page is unreliable, and more so lately.

Your original point is based on a special case with obvious reasons for it being strange.

The upcoming page is reliable 99% of the time on the following information:

Something goes on the boat and ends up on store shelves 8-10 weeks later.

1 hour ago, rowdyoctopus said:

Your original point is based on a special case with obvious reasons for it being strange.

The upcoming page is reliable 99% of the time on the following information:

Something goes on the boat and ends up on store shelves 8-10 weeks later.

Sure. If I knew there was going to be a test at the end, I would have documented the other inconsistencies haha

over the years there has been enough oddities that it should be taken with a grain of salt. It is not 99% accurate

On 1/2/2018 at 5:57 PM, Elliphino said:

In the Darnati, Wraiths, and Outland Scouts previews they listed the release date as Q4 2017. Now, I know that FFG isn't perfect about hitting their target dates, but is this a worrying sign at all? The "Upcoming" page has Darnati listed "at the printer" and the Wraiths and Scouts are listed as "in development".

Anyone have a different update?

The mouse has priority.

I am altering the production schedule. Pray I don't alter it any further.