I would just like to point out that there are three faction only EPT's that describe a character trait: selflessness, fearlessness, and ruthlessness. It seems to be that ruthlessness ought to belong to the scum because that totally fits them and fearlessness would go to the imperials who fly ships with no durability, with selflessness going to "the good guys" the rebels. but no. Ruthlessness, the only one of the three that is described as positive in few places outside The Prince, goes to the imperials. I think this is blatant rebel propaganda and it should be dealt with.

Wut.

Ruthlessness should be 1 point like the others, then it would actually see play. It would be pretty balanced, it has a built in downside because you can hit your own guys with it and its taking up a very valuable slot.

Well with all upgrades it follows the natural definition of accretion and power creep. The newer stuff always has to be better in terms of power and point efficiency than what other options are out there otherwise there is no point. Ruthlessness is the oldest and the weakest in terms of cost, selflessness is the newest one and the most used.

Fearlessness never really took off though. It's just way too situational.

Selflessness is the only one that's any good.

52 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Fearlessness never really took off though. It's just way too situational.

Selflessness is the only one that's any good.

Agreed. It's the easiest to use and "draw damage off someone more important" remains a rebel key ability, even with Biggs toned down.

Fearlessness is nasty, but it's not good enough by itself to justify using it - it works well when paired with other things which synergise with it (Scum Boba Fett/Fearlessness/Cluster Missiles is brutal, for example).

Bossk is probably the best user of it.

N'Dru Sulhak can do a pretty good job with it, too. It's an EPT which is good when trying to provide a 'budget' increase in firepower, and N'Dru with Fearless and Clusters can deliver a punch out of all proportion to his squad cost.

I'm just saying both fearlessness and selflessness are good personality traits and ruthlessness totally isn't >.> although I would have thought fearlessness would be a good cheap EPT on those concord dawn ships cuz they like to be at r1 and in arc and stuff.

2 hours ago, Ihavebadluck said:

I'm just saying both fearlessness and selflessness are good personality traits and ruthlessness totally isn't >.> although I would have thought fearlessness would be a good cheap EPT on those concord dawn ships cuz they like to be at r1 and in arc and stuff.

Ruthlessness is the trait of lacking pity or compassion. For someone attempting to run an empire that spans an entire galaxy, or a high-ranking officer effecting order for this empire, ruthlessness is not only a good personality trait; it is in fact a requirement. Without it, you would be paralyzed with fear, indecision, and sorrow for the untold billions of lives that are suffering and dying under your rule somewhere every second of every day or the possible unpredictable ripples that could cause harm to those billions by your actions.

No government entity can appease and protect an empire that large without someone, somewhere getting harmed or exploited somehow in the process.

13 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Ruthlessness should be 1 point like the others, then it would actually see play. It would be pretty balanced, it has a built in downside because you can hit your own guys with it and its taking up a very valuable slot.

Ruthlessness is really fantastic on the right chassis. It would be so overpowered at 1 point!

@Ihavebadluck is sad that the forever badguys are designated a baguy word to describe their personality, as badguys?

Come on.

Ruthlessness at 1pt you'd probably see it used in almost every list. Its cheap enough where if it never goes off, oh well, but if you face a 3-5ship list its going to cause havoc. And if you "balanced" it by removing the "other than yourself" clause from the splash damage you might just kill it over again lol

heck you'd probably see a tie swarm variant of it lol. Yeah, 2/3die attacks wont hit that often w/o crackshot but thats the thing...if they do hit (and they do when massed, its quite rare for a ship to stare down the barrels of 6-7 TIE's and not take ANY damage) they caused 2 damage. Wise idea or not is another question lol.

I think if it was 2pts it'd be fine. It'd be in line with Juke, Lone Wolf, or Snapshot for technically really powerful abilities that are situational if they even work at all, but strong enough to not be 1pt. All 3 of those can make or break a ship depending on whats going on in the battle.

At 3pts its competing with Predator, PTL, and even Outmaneuver. Yeah that shows how low it is when Outmaneuver is generally better, considering if its not an aux-arc user Outmaneuver is pretty lousy.

5 minutes ago, E Chu Ta said:

@Ihavebadluck is sad that the forever badguys are designated a baguy word to describe their personality, as badguys?

Come on.

This. I mean, it's fine if people want to RP as a loyal Imperial officer a bit on the forums, but sometimes it veers into Fascist apologism that starts to get... uncomfortable.

8 minutes ago, Squark said:

This. I mean, it's fine if people want to RP as a loyal Imperial officer a bit on the forums, but sometimes it veers into Fascist apologism that starts to get... uncomfortable.

You would love /r/EmpireDidNothingWrong

1 hour ago, AngryAlbatross said:

Ruthlessness is really fantastic on the right chassis. It would be so overpowered at 1 point!

It is good on Vessary with TIE/D title and tractor beam but that's about it. And that build isn't even THAT good since it tends to be a glass cannon. If it was 2 points cheaper to put together it would actually see competitive play.

Ruthlessness was likely priced at 3 because back in wave 5 there was more swarm play. Now with the 2-3 ship meta you can go an entire game without having your enemy in a good place to use it.

scum and villainy are literally in the name of the faction and they get fearlessness lol. I'm just saying >.>

11 hours ago, Ihavebadluck said:

I'm just saying both fearlessness and selflessness are good personality traits and ruthlessness totally isn't

So, given that we're here just to debate the sociopolitical correctness of these words vis-a-vis their factional alignment in the game, let me just lob in the ol'

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*** GAMEPLAY >>>> FLUFF ****

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grenade into the fray.

You may thank me for my ruthless and fearless devotion to thread moderation in completely selfless equanimity.

Carry on.

9 hours ago, Ihavebadluck said:

scum and villainy are literally in the name of the faction and they get fearlessness lol. I'm just saying >.>

It makes you Jabba's kind of scum.

I guess you could have another [Elite] upgrade called Inventiveness.

Apparently folks have already forgotten Attani Mindlink.

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

It makes you Jabba's kind of scum.

I guess you could have another [Elite] upgrade called Inventiveness.

Inventiveness: do it better than the others, and look better doing it.

Also Thermal Detonators. Also Leia in S&V.

2 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

Apparently folks have already forgotten Attani Mindlink.

Show me on the spaceship where Attanni Mindlink hurt your feelings.

Just now, E Chu Ta said:

Show me on the spaceship where Attanni Mindlink hurt your feelings.

It was like *light sobbing* I blocked the Jumpmaster, and then it destroyed my ship with fully modded dice.