Where should a beaten stubborn detective go?

By golsero, in Arkham Horror: The Card Game

I played Roland in my first game and got into this situation that I was able to get rid of the stubborn detective from me. Should he go to the encounter discard pile, or investigator discard pile, or to be removed from the game? There is no instruction regarding to this. If anyone has a clue or can make a clarification on it, please let me know with the supporting ideas or information.

Rules Reference p. 8, "Defeat":

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If an enemy has as much or more damage on it as it has health, that enemy is defeated and placed on the encounter discard pile (or on its owner’s discard pile if it is a weakness).

You are the owner of the card and it is a basic weakness. Therefore when it is defeated it goes into your discard pile and remains part of your player deck throughout the campaign.

The Devourer Below scenario, Agenda 3a has been flipped up which causes Umordhoth to spawn as set-aside at Ritual Site.

So, is it taking an action in the same round at Enemy phase? Why did they mention 'Set-aside', then?

1 hour ago, golsero said:

The Devourer Below scenario, Agenda 3a has been flipped up which causes Umordhoth to spawn as set-aside at Ritual Site.

So, is it taking an action in the same round at Enemy phase? Why did they mention 'Set-aside', then?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Agenda 3 will spawn Umordhoth at the Ritual Site - the "set-aside" is to make sure it gets put into play if you haven't already from the text on the Act deck.

41 minutes ago, Network57 said:

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Agenda 3 will spawn Umordhoth at the Ritual Site - the "set-aside" is to make sure it gets put into play if you haven't already from the text on the Act deck.

Thank you, Network57.

I do not remember where exactly it was mentioned, however, I think I saw a brief explanation (or concept of terminology) about 'set-aside' in the rule reference or learn to play somewhere.

And it said 'set-aside' means that we prepare the card just right next to the game play area so they can enter the game immediately when the conditions are met.

I do not remember the exact words in the book, but the point was that 'set-aside' cards are about to enter the game but not actually in play.

My question was from there.

If Umordhoth is spawning at the Ritual Site during the Mythos Phase, then is going to take its action in the Monster Phase in the same round, why they should mention 'set-aside' on Agenda 3?

They could have put only 'spawn' on the card for Umordhoth to take an action in the same round Monster Phase.

What is confusing me is that if Umordhoth should just stay out of play at the Ritual Site until an investigator enters the location or any card effects trigger something for the Ancient One to actually take an action.

Same concern when Ghoul Priest and Litta come up in the Gathering. They are told to be 'set-aside' as well.

I do not know what exactly to do with them.

I just took an action right away for both of them when I played the Gathering, but this time I just want to make sure.

I think there's just a bit of a misreading. When the agenda says "Spawn the set-aside Umordhoth there", "set-aside" is just telling you where to find the card (in the ones you have set aside previously). It's not telling you to do anything special with him now. He still comes into play and spawns normally at the Ritual Site and follows all normal rules.

21 minutes ago, golsero said:

Thank you, Network57.

I do not remember where exactly it was mentioned, however, I think I saw a brief explanation (or concept of terminology) about 'set-aside' in the rule reference or learn to play somewhere.

And it said 'set-aside' means that we prepare the card just right next to the game play area so they can enter the game immediately when the conditions are met.

I do not remember the exact words in the book, but the point was that 'set-aside' cards are about to enter the game but not actually in play.

My question was from there.

If Umordhoth is spawning at the Ritual Site during the Mythos Phase, then is going to take its action in the Monster Phase in the same round, why they should mention 'set-aside' on Agenda 3?

They could have put only 'spawn' on the card for Umordhoth to take an action in the same round Monster Phase.

What is confusing me is that if Umordhoth should just stay out of play at the Ritual Site until an investigator enters the location or any card effects trigger something for the Ancient One to actually take an action.

Same concern when Ghoul Priest and Litta come up in the Gathering. They are told to be 'set-aside' as well.

I do not know what exactly to do with them.

I just took an action right away for both of them when I played the Gathering, but this time I just want to make sure.

I see your Error. You don't spawn them 'as set-aside'. The instructions are telling you to spawn 'the set-aside' Umordhoth.

The set up instructions told you to put the card aside so it wouldn't be in the encounter deck and now the agenda is telling you to spawn it at the ritual site.

It will in fact get a turn on the enemy phase, same as any other enemy.

As others have pointed out, you never spawn an enemy at a set-aside location. Let's look specifically at this Agenda:

"If the investigators are at Act 1, put the set-aside Ritual Site into play and spawn the set-aside Umôrdhoth there."

That means if you are at Act 1, the Ritual Site location card will still be set aside, out of play. You are instructed to put it into play (i.e. it is no longer "set-aside"), and then spawn Big U there.

"If the investigators are at Act 2 or 3, discard all enemies at the Ritual Site and spawn the set-aside Umôrdhoth there."

Otherwise, if you are Act 2 or 3, the Ritual Site has already been put into play, and you spawn him there, like normal.

In both cases, Umordhoth with spawn at an in-play location and behave like any other enemy.

Thank you, Donel and Network57.

Now, I totally understand it.