Crowd 1: Resistance bombers in XTMG don't fit their on screen representation!

The dial has maneuvers faster than 1 speed (fair point)! What's this Trajectory Simulator upgrade? The bombers never do anything like that!

Crowd 2: The bombers don't have an accurate on screen representation of bombs in space!

Why are the bombers able to "drop" bombs in space? That trajectory is unrealistic!

So crowd 1 has a problem with the in-game representation of bomb trajectories. Crowd 2 gas a problem with the in-movie representation of bomb trajectories.

Maaaybe, you two crowds should talk. Maybe you'll have something on common. Maybe things will begin to make sense.

Maybe.

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

12 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

I WAS 12!! I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PHYSICS YET!!!!!

28 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

Asteroids generate gravity...

Not that much gravity...

Just now, rhs2042 said:

Not that much gravity...

Okay to say that you'd need to know the dimensions of said asteroid, it's composition and it's rotational speed.

47 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Asteroids generate gravity...

Star Destroyers Dreadnoughts are bigger than the asteroids in ESB.

1 hour ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

What about Jango Fett's seismic charges being slowed down by all the, uh, air in space?

Just now, kraedin said:

What about Jango Fett's seismic charges being slowed down by all the, uh, air in space?

Æther

Star War physics may as well use some of Æther theory for space. Things star making more sense, like bombs and why starfighters fly like they are in a fluid environment and not a vacuum.

This very question was asked by a hater recently. I asked how should I respond, in movie or out of movie. He looked at me funny, so I respond both.

Out of movie: This is a sci-FICTION movie with laser swords, space wizards, measuring time with distance (faster than 12 parsecs) and sound in space and you question about downward dropping bombs? Just enjoy a good flash-Gordon style space drama.

In move: because of reasons, something that sounds scientificy, mag-coupling reverses and gravity plates and such. JUST ENJOY A FUN MOVIE. lol

I guess the OFFICIAL info about bombs being accelerated in the SF-17's rails, then drawn magnetically to their target is not enough for those people that know the Star Wars universe better than their creators.

2 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

...they were blue?

I mean, taking Star Wars space combat (that mimics World War 2 dogfights) and trying to apply physics is just silly to start. I mean we have space wizards and hyperspace guys. Space fantasy not science fiction.

7 minutes ago, dsul413 said:

I mean, taking Star Wars space combat (that mimics World War 2 dogfights) and trying to apply physics is just silly to start. I mean we have space wizards and hyperspace guys. Space fantasy not science fiction.

Sure, that's the canned response. Stop complaining about physics in a universe that clearly has no interest in them.

HOWEVER! In this conversation, I'm trying to get the 2 sides to agree that maybe trajectory simulators exist to simulate trajectories that seem unrealistic.

It's not a leap in logic, just a....knowledge bomb?

3 hours ago, Hobojebus said:

Asteroids generate gravity...

Correct. Asteroids have some gravity that is known. Stuff falls down in gravity fields, that is known as well. Common sense dictates that stuff should fall onto those asteroids. People with common sense are satisfied.

Now that dreadnought generaratoes 10 times maybe even 100 times as much gravity than those asteroids from empire AND even the TIE Bombers themselves generate gravity and their micro gravity might be actually stronger than from the asteroid, because the center of mass is so much further away from the bombs and gravity forces are reducing themselves by distance² ;-)

But asteroids have a ground, stuff falls towards the ground, common sense is satisfied. °_^

To be fair, we were pretty close to the planet the resistance base was on. It could be they were accelerated off the racks with magnets and then picked up speed due to gravity; thus the need to be over the target rather than reorienting for bomb throwing.

6 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

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also good lord people the answer is literally magnetic rails this is 2nd grade science in 2017

6 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

For me it's because we didn't see the bomb mechanism up close, and the TIE bombs were just glowey things like proton torpedoes, which are self-propelled. It was easy to assume the munitions were self-motivating the same as the torpedoes we had seen before.



There are plenty of ways to accelerate a thing on rails, not least of which is simply running a current through the entire mechanism.



I place "falling rack bombs" next to "R2-D2's neck in a Nubian fighter" and "sound in space" in my list of things that I wonder about in Star Wars, and it doesn't bother me much.

Not nearly as much as the unexplained use of the hyperdrive as a weapon.

Or remotely as much as a planet that just eats suns popping out of no-where with no need for Kyber Crystals. The Death Star needed The Force to work, SKB was just a machine.

Speculation: At this point with the super-ships and super-weapons I think the Sun Crusher wouldn't be an unreasonable thing to see in the next movie.

11 minutes ago, OneKelvin said:

For me it's because we didn't see the bomb mechanism up close, and the TIE bombs were just glowey things like proton torpedoes, which are self-propelled. It was easy to assume the munitions were self-motivating the same as the torpedoes we had seen before.



There are plenty of ways to accelerate a thing on rails, not least of which is simply running a current through the entire mechanism.



I place "falling rack bombs" next to "R2-D2's neck in a Nubian fighter" and "sound in space" in my list of things that I wonder about in Star Wars, and it doesn't bother me much.

Not nearly as much as the unexplained use of the hyperdrive as a weapon.

Or remotely as much as a planet that just eats suns popping out of no-where with no need for Kyber Crystals. The Death Star needed The Force to work, SKB was just a machine.

Speculation: At this point with the super-ships and super-weapons I think the Sun Crusher wouldn't be an unreasonable thing to see in the next movie.

The ice cream cone of doom?!

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

The ice cream cone of doom?!

Yep.

Wanna know how they use it in Episode 9?

8 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I don't understand why people are upset about the bomb dropping down in TLJ, and yet they never complained about the TIE Bombers doing the same thing in Empire when they were bombing the asteroids.

I don't understand why they have the issue when they didn't care that a human being fell down a ladder about a meter away from where the bombs were hanging.

I feel like "trajectory simulator" is to this debate, what "inertial dampeners" are to space brakes.

It's goddamn made up, don't ask obvious questions.

First question: Would you enjoy the movie more, if there were less "unrealistic-fiction-contradicting-our-knowledge-about-physicse" and more "unrealistic-fiction-but-not-in-direct-violation-of-basic-laws-of-the-known-universe-requiring-some-sought-out-explanation-for-making-sense" ?

Personally: NO! I would rather they focus on making the main story-line in the movies better.

Second question: Would you enjoy the X-wing game more, if the movement and game-system were less "WWI-dogfight in air" and more "realistic-space-movement-with-inertia-angular-momentum-and-directional-thrust" ?

Personally: I am still undecided, I like the present system, but I think i could be fun to try out something different.. did somebody make fan-based rules/gamesystem for such a thing?

7 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Correct. Asteroids have some gravity that is known. Stuff falls down in gravity fields, that is known as well. Common sense dictates that stuff should fall onto those asteroids. People with common sense are satisfied.

Now that dreadnought generaratoes 10 times maybe even 100 times as much gravity than those asteroids from empire AND even the TIE Bombers themselves generate gravity and their micro gravity might be actually stronger than from the asteroid, because the center of mass is so much further away from the bombs and gravity forces are reducing themselves by distance² ;-)

But asteroids have a ground, stuff falls towards the ground, common sense is satisfied. °_^

Size is irrelevant mass is what matters and without knowing the asteroids composition you can't say definitively that the dreadnought had greater mass.

It could be composed of rock or could contain much denser matter we don't know so such definitive statements are ill advised.

magnets, how do they work?