Prequel Era Units

By Jabby, in Star Wars: Legion

what would be the best way to add more prequel era stuff. I’m thinking something like reactivated droids and an old stockpiled at-te. Maybe even something like “operation knightfall” veterans in other words clone troopers

Here's the issue. Gcw Rebels already use a lot of repurposed clone tech, how do you diferentate between them? (We already have the atrt ingame......)

Edited by Ralgon

Tbh, whilst i remain certain that we won't see it, i would LOVE an expansion into prequel territory for this later down the line once the first factions are more fleshed out.

As for introducing more into the current game era though, it's kind of hard. The droids mostly don't fit without flat out adding a new faction (theres a couple of choices for that). I also doubt there's many, if any, Clones still active (We saw some in Rebels, but they were starting to look a bit long in the tooth already if still effective, and that was before the Legion timeframe), and the vast majority became Stormtroopers after the Clone Wars anyway so we might ALREADY have some :P

There's a few references scattered around to Rebels using old Clone Wars era equipment, and we do already have the AT-RT so it's not impossible to see other repurposed vehicles and equipment turn up in their ranks i guess. It is at least a much easier fit than the battle droids and clones in most ways. If we get more, this is the route i'd probably like to see them take personally rather than try to shoehorn weird things in.

Seeing battle droids wouldn’t be bad. You could have reactivated droids and also Separatist holdouts. But its unlikely we’ll see them as factions. I mean, armada doesn’t.

It's a shame. The prequels were...not great (lets just leave it at that). But they do lend themselves very well to miniatures games of all sorts really.

3 minutes ago, Extropia said:

It's a shame. The prequels were...not great (lets just leave it at that). But they do lend themselves very well to miniatures games of all sorts really.

I know. The prequel had amazing ships, amazing ground units, amazing mistakes...

46 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Seeing battle droids wouldn’t be bad. You could have reactivated droids and also Separatist holdouts. But its unlikely we’ll see them as factions. I mean, armada doesn’t.

I actually think that we will see them as a separate faction if we see them at all. Legion is more in scale with X-wing than Armada, and X-wing did add a faction. Plus there are enough canon references to droid units in the GCW era to fill out a faction. They would also play significantly different from either the Empire or the Rebellion. Also besides for Mr. Bones I'm not sure either the Empire or the Rebellion used battle droids. Lastly there seems to be some demand for them, and it seems that FFG does try to find a way to add things if there is enough demand for them.

The Empire at least (and the Rebels likely did if they found some) used battle droids, but not the classic (and really useless) B1's from the prequels. Various other models were used for various purposes though.

I've heard that until very recently (and even now it's not easy) merchandise that referenced the prequels was banned without a serious review and approval from Lucasfilm higher ups. And those approvals were very rare. Basically they didn't want people thinking about the"bad" movies while they were trying to relaunch the series.

I heard similar. It is still a fact as far as i know that in none of FFGs Star Wars games has there been a miniature of anything that has appeared in ONLY the prequel trilogy. Once it hits Rebels or the like it's fair game, but if it's only in those 3 movies....it's going to stay there.

@Extropia Do you have a source for that? I would have thought that the rebels would have been the ones more likely to use the Droids.

@Ghostofman Yeah, I've heard that too, though the examples that I refer to are all post Disney take over and also from the GCW era or later. FFG has shown they are willing to use prequel units if they have appeared in the new GCW canon like the ARC 170 in X-wing. Thrawn brings in buzz droids, Droidekas, STAP, and Vulture Droid. Rebels brings in the B1, Droidekas, and Super Tactical Droid. That would be enough to create a faction with all the categories filled out.

14 minutes ago, Extropia said:

I heard similar. It is still a fact as far as i know that in none of FFGs Star Wars games has there been a miniature of anything that has appeared in ONLY the prequel trilogy. Once it hits Rebels or the like it's fair game, but if it's only in those 3 movies....it's going to stay there.

The arc 170 was in x wing. It wasnt in Rebels

5 minutes ago, Jabby said:

The arc 170 was in x wing. It wasnt in Rebels

No, but it has been in other new canon sources (remember, i said Rebels "and the like"....it was an example) including books and comics. And technically they are in Rebels, but only as wreckage....

3 minutes ago, Extropia said:

It's all random Legends stuff, and there's soooo many droids that turn up over books that i cant be bothered to look for them all.

Here's a couple though:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Carbonite_war_droid

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

I didn't mean to imply you were wrong, I just don't recall seeing them in the books I read, so if you had a specific source it would give me something to pick up.

I really think that the clone wars are more suited to a 15 mm flames of war style game. That way you can have squads of walkers and gunships going up against squads of hailfire droids and spider tanks.

That said I definitely want battle droids and droidekas for legion.

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5 hours ago, Ralgon said:

Here's the issue. Gcw Rebels already use a lot of repurposed clone tech, how do you diferentate between them? (We already have the atrt ingame......)

easy just make it have different abilities, Look at Armada, we already have an ISD now in wave 7 we are getting another ISD with different upgrade/ship cards. I can be done, If ffg sees a way it can make money they will do it.

8 minutes ago, jcmonson said:

I didn't mean to imply you were wrong, I just don't recall seeing them in the books I read, so if you had a specific source it would give me something to pick up.

Oh, right. No, it's been waaaaay too long since i read most of the old books now, sorry! I can just about remember plots...anything more detailed than that from most of them is long gone :D

Just now, devin.pike.1989 said:

I really think that the clone wars are more suited to a 15 mm flames of war style game. That way you can have squads of walkers and gunships going up against squads of hailfire droids and spider tanks.

I would buy that.

16 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

I really think that the clone wars are more suited to a 15 mm flames of war style game. That way you can have squads of walkers and gunships going up against squads of hailfire droids and spider tanks.

That said I definitely want battle droids and droidekas for legion.

I would buy that over legion any day

I honestly think that we will see them eventually. I hope, desperately, that we will. For a solid war game, it makes sense to me to have a couple of different army options. I don't think we will see 20+ different armies like Warhammer, but I also don't think it is likely that we will always only have two. Separatists, Galactic Republic, First Order, and Resistance all make sense as armies with unique playstyles.

So, I hope they DON'T add prequel stuff to the game if it is not as specific armies. I think that having really cheap but weak armies of Battledroids (think Starcraft Zerg) and really powerful armies using Force Upgrades from GR would be incredibly cool, and a different feel from the Empire and Rebels (which I hope go in the direction of "vehicle heavy" and "jack-of-all-trades" respectively).

However, all that said, I think Prequel content is a ways away. I think that we will see the Sequel era first - Resistance and First Order, and likely after a year or two so the starting two factions can be fleshed out. My suspicion is that it will launch around the time of Episode 9.

the problem with the sequel era is that after the last Jedi the resistance is about 20 people and the Millennium Falcon. Unless there is a massive increase in numbers there wouldn't be enough units let alone people to create a army, they just don't have the options.

1 hour ago, Extropia said:

It's all random Legends stuff, and there's soooo many droids that turn up over books that i cant be bothered to look for them all.

Here's a couple though:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Carbonite_war_droid

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper

There appear to be no known references to either of these droids in the new canon aside from RPG sourcebooks. In fact the ONLY place the Carbonite droid ever appeared is in The Force Unleashed 2 video game. So it was barely even acknowledged in the Legends canon.

I'd like to hope that FFG can convince Disney to let them start using Prequel era models and equipment for their miniatures games. George Lucas has been called "the toymaker who made a movie franchise" and Lucasfilm made some excellent toys to play with in the Prequels.

1 hour ago, Copes said:

I honestly think that we will see them eventually. I hope, desperately, that we will. For a solid war game, it makes sense to me to have a couple of different army options. I don't think we will see 20+ different armies like Warhammer, but I also don't think it is likely that we will always only have two. Separatists, Galactic Republic, First Order, and Resistance all make sense as armies with unique playstyles.

So, I hope they DON'T add prequel stuff to the game if it is not as specific armies. I think that having really cheap but weak armies of Battledroids (think Starcraft Zerg) and really powerful armies using Force Upgrades from GR would be incredibly cool, and a different feel from the Empire and Rebels (which I hope go in the direction of "vehicle heavy" and "jack-of-all-trades" respectively).

However, all that said, I think Prequel content is a ways away. I think that we will see the Sequel era first - Resistance and First Order, and likely after a year or two so the starting two factions can be fleshed out. My suspicion is that it will launch around the time of Episode 9.

Not gonna happen. The mouse does not want us to remember the prequels.

22 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Not gonna happen. The mouse does not want us to remember the prequels.

I don't think that will be the case forever... nor do I even buy it in reality now. Provide me a decent source and I will eat my words, but for now I chock it up to internet rumour.

All EA video games I play (Battlefront II and Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes) have heavy prequel content. There are also comics and novels released during, or immediately after, the Prequel trilogy (The Mace Windu comic series, which has a subtitle that suggests there might be future comics under the same brand focused on other Jedi comes to mind.

I think that Disney wants people focused on the Sequels over the Prequels while they are releasing episode VII, VIII and IX, but I really don't think they are washing their hands of the prequels. Especially given how well that era would translate into a game like this.

So yeah, I'm standing by my hope / prediction. Not to say I can't be wrong... I always am. Just ask my fiance. ;)