So yeah XWM absolutely NEEDS a campaign box at this point. The first 3 waves of ships have all (or mostly) been rereleased in some form (T-65 in Rebel transport, Fighter in Gozanti, Y, HWK and Firespray in Most wanted, Advanced in IMP corvette, Falcon in HotR, A, B, Bombers and Squints in Aces/Vets. Only the Majestic Space Cow has yet to receive an update other than Palpy himself. No one wants more repaints (well...) and releasing a Lambda in a Rebel box with a big ugly Alliance Starbird in the Dorsal Wing would be... yeah...,

But this...maybe...

Anyway, we need the following pilots and such, regardless of new repainted minis:

Tyderium title for Rebel shuttle missions

rogue one pilots and crew that are sorely missed (K2SO!)

Pops, Tiree, General Marrick and anyone else that wants to join in the Scarif/Yavin battles.

Rogue Squadron Pilot X-Wing EPT, or at least Rogue title that fixes the main ship in the game.

R5-D4!!!!!

any new pilots for old ships that you want.

but most of all Stele in EVERY Imp Starfighter, no exceptions. Stele in a Punisher, just for lols. Stele in GUNBOAT because. That’s why.

i feel like this is the topic the community should get behind. Between a new movie every year as well as cartoons like rebels and its immediate replacement after season 4 will pump out a huge surge of ships so FFG can concentrate on campaigns. There’s no reason to think too hard about new ships, they will take care of themselves.

12 hours ago, Kdubb said:

All I know is her Armada art drives me insane despite everyone’s kindness in trying to help my mind see what on earth is going on with the part of the interceptor she is leaning on. It doesn’t even look like it is part of the ship in that perspective!

3 hours ago, DampfGecko said:

Just noticed this, but where is her regulation chestplate? Even Iden "an artificial storm hit me right in my loyalty" Versio managed to put hers on.

One thing to note is that if you don't like this art, there's not much you can do. There is exactly one official representation of Ciena Ree, approved of by the author of Lost Stars, and this is it. So all pictures of her will always be this. I haven't read the book (I have heard really good things from my family and friends who have though), so I don't really have a ton of comments on what she'd do in this game. Although the Armada card seems like a good place to start. Like the Aftermath characters (see comment below), they'd probably put her in an unrealistic ship though. My money's on the TIE Avenger.

4 hours ago, heychadwick said:

I haven't read all the Aftermath books. Do they fly ARC-170's in those?

Nope. I suffered through most of the Aftermath books (it was about as fun as the Christmas Special). Basically, Norra is the only in-game character from those books and the ships she flies the most are Y-Wings (her ship of choice), stolen TIE Fighters, and various shuttles. Shara is from the (way more enjoyable) six-issue limited comics series Shattered Empire, where she's introduced as an ace A-Wing pilot, a member of Green Squadron, and a friend of L'ulo Lampmar, hero of the Resistance. I know Braylen is from a short story published in Star Wars Insider Issues 149-150, where he flew an X-Wing. Thane is from the same book as Ciena actually. He only flies TIE Fighters and X-Wings.

1 hour ago, Kieransi said:

One thing to note is that if you don't like this art, there's not much you can do. There is exactly one official representation of Ciena Ree, approved of by the author of Lost Stars, and this is it. So all pictures of her will always be this.

I'm just kidding. It's mostly funny because she's a very "by the book" character and I wanted to knock Iden a bit.

In all seriousness, if the thought of "Romeo and Juliet, but in Star Wars" doesn't sound too wrong in your ears, I would encourage you to read the book. As I joked above, the story has some leaps in logic and you will recognize pretty much all of the character archetypes right of the bat, but that does not make it "bad" by any stretch. In fact, apart from her being apparently obligated to train and fight with absolutely everything , Ciena is probably one of the best Star Wars characters to come into the new canon.

Let me put it like this: If Thrawn firing a pistol at a fighter craft doesn't bother you, this won't either. Personally, I find both just a tad funny, not annoying.

So would I like to see her as a pilot? You bet I would. No matter the craft, really.

I mean... If we got the the ARC pilots in different ships, we could get Ciena in something other than an Interceptor. Most ships on the empire side don't have many named pilots. I'm honestly just happy if they use someone I know, if it's accurate, its better.

These are the ships we can somewhat expect for the Empire:


TIE Scout (It's fun)
TIE Hunter (it's sufficiently different)
TIE Avenger (maybe)
FO Bomber (I mean.... it wasn't in the movie, but it would be nice)
Imperial Patrol Transport
TIE Reaper
Delta class Shuttle (please god no)
Sentinel Shuttle
Zeta class Shuttle
Xi class Shuttle (Snoke's Shuttle)

If she sits in any of the smaller ships, I'm fine with it.

i also like it when they use the same pilot across ships because its another level of listbuilding blockades you must overcome. Do you want Ship A with *insert cool pilot name* or do you want Ship B with *same pilot*? My friend was having that dilemma for awhile on Dalan because he liked the Starviper variant of him but really wanted to use the Kimogila variant.

Not many pilots right now actually have a conflict of which ship you bring them on. Personally i think dalan in the viper is pathetic, the viper does not need his ability at ALL thanks to the bank-roll ability they all got, leaving very few situations where his ability is actually the better option. Others like maarek, one frame is just so superior to the other why would you ever consider the lesser one other than for "All TIE Adv" flavor lists? - i do hope they do it more. I imagine if Shara Bay popped up in an A-wing alot of people would be hard pressed to pick the Awing or the ARC version (some local people are adamant about the ARC). Course in that case i think she'd have to have a different ability, since that would be really, REALLY hard to pull off on an Awing without totally screwing itself over.

In an A-wing or N-1 Shara Bey should have higher pilot skill and an ability that actually compliments the ship and the source material. (Contrary to popular belief, it’s possible to respect both fluff and game mechanics at the same time.) The pilots in the ARC-170 expansion were misused by FFG for no reason other than making all the pilots unique.

I haven’t read Lost Stars (it’s on my list,) but I hope Ciena Ree gets better treatment in X-wing than Shara did.

14 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Want her as Maul-like crew for both the empire and Thane (give her a good on card action), and as an Interceptor pilot.

I got the idea but it doesn’t make any sense. She would under no circumstances fly with the Rebellion even if it was with Thane.

It’s more thematic to have Thane be a Crew than can go with Ciena Ree.

It’s character like her and the obsoletion of early waves that upgrade packs for older ships need to come out more often.

Also when they released the Arc, Thane (X-Wing), Norra (Y-Wing) and Shara (A-Wing) should have all come with dual sided pilot cards and base inserts. Shara probably needs a different ability but the others are probably okay.

More imperial pilots are always welcome.

I'd love to see her in X-Wing. Maybe she could be in an Interceptor with a future Imperial Epic? That would mitigate the need for another Ace pack.

Lost Stars spoilers below.

@flybomb I’m going to admit I’m super grumpy because I just had to back out of the Rey is a Mary Sue thread. People just need to stop. Ciena Ree is *not* a Mary Sue. She is the main protoagonist of a novel, just like Rey is one of the main protagonists of the new trilogy.

If these were male characters we would never criticise them in the same way. Mary Sue has become a term used to lessen the value of a female characters contribution and role in a story.

The term is more harmful than it is helpful in terms of describing the actions and power of female characters.

You will note that Ciena Ree isn’t really a natural, she has to work and strive to be better than everyone around her to be recognised - this is a life story for women around the world.

Female characters should be given all the same privileges of story and agency that male characters have without the immediate response being that they are a Mary Sue.

7 hours ago, flyboymb said:

I'd love to see her in X-Wing. Maybe she could be in an Interceptor with a future Imperial Epic? That would mitigate the need for another Ace pack.

Lost Stars spoilers below.

In your spoilers why you would even infer Ciena is a Mary Sue?! She worked hard, harder than Thane, to earn her position. There is nothing Mary Sue about her in any way what so ever.

Ciena is a big gap in X-Wing for me. She’s ace in Armada where Interceptors are more fragile (no arc dodging, stealth device, Autothrusters, evade action or Palpatine) and her ability compensates for that.

I'm going to have to put this all in spoilers.

16 hours ago, Kieransi said:

One thing to note is that if you don't like this art, there's not much you can do. There is exactly one official representation of Ciena Ree, approved of by the author of Lost Stars, and this is it.

How close to official is the Lost Stars manga?

49 minutes ago, Bike Stunts said:

How close to official is the Lost Stars manga?

17 hours ago, Kieransi said:

One thing to note is that if you don't like this art, there's not much you can do. There is exactly one official representation of Ciena Ree, approved of by the author of Lost Stars, and this is it. So all pictures of her will always be this.

That’s funny, because I remember on The Star Wars Show they announced the image used in Armada was the first official image of Ciena Ree. Not always up to the author where Disney is concerned. Reveal is about 50 seconds in:

They also said the image was made for X-wing miniatures.

When Sabine's Defender is released, they can put Ciena Ree in there, along with Vult Skerris.

9 minutes ago, wurms said:

When Sabine's Defender is released, they can put Ciena Ree in there, along with Vult Skerris.

*Sabine's Silencer

On 12/27/2017 at 10:02 AM, Odanan said:

Can someone take this picture and make please an imperial shampoo advertisement? If you can, PM it to me or post it.

@flyboymb I’m not sure we even read the same book

To me it's just an inconsistency with history and real life. Idealism dies very quickly in even a decent military organization. Once you realize that the Empire that you pledged your loyalty to is manipulating you against your friends, destroying planets, and any of the other not niceties that would undoubtedly percolate to your knowledge over the years, you don't just get to file it all away as 'well they're not all that bad' and say that your personal honor is the only thing that keeps you in the organization. You either knowingly divest yourself from supporting the organization, or you realize that you're directly supporting those actions. You don't get to just act world weary and pretend that your conscience is clean.

If you read about how conditions were for people in the armies of Iraq, the USSR, or North Korea, you'd get where I am going with this. The Empire isn't just the Federation but with Darth Vader in it. It is an organization founded on the principles of the Sith and those notions percolate down through the ranks. An idealistic 'good girl' (or guy for that matter) is eaten up and spit out by organizations like that. It really destroys the core suspension of disbelief that the book asks you to have.

The book does show her idealism decaying somewhat - and that "personal honor" is becoming an excuse for not leaving.

However, the basic idea - that some moderately decent people tried to stay in the Empire and avoid committing atrocities themselves, and do altruistic things wherever possible - was common in Legends too.

1 hour ago, Ironlord said:

The book does show her idealism decaying somewhat - and that "personal honor" is becoming an excuse for not leaving.

However, the basic idea - that some moderately decent people tried to stay in the Empire and avoid committing atrocities themselves, and do altruistic things wherever possible - was common in Legends too.

And that usually worked out just fine...

Heck, even Pellaeon took part in the odd Wookiee slave raid and had no issue personally executing traitors instead of consistently letting them go out of friendship. Having that kind of blood on their hands is not unusual for the 'good guys' of the Empire even if they were the ones who eventually defected to the Rebellion.

Lost Stars is my favorite Star Wars book! and yes, this character (like many others) does need to be in the game, and in a position that makes sense.