Decided to check out exactly how big the area was in terms of where you could potentially get hit by Crimson Specialist with a Trajectory Simulator...turns out it's big...like really big.

Didn't do the normal bomb drop, but that would only be a small bump on the back as despite also using the speed 1 template you can't control the orientation of the bomb template. Note: The measurements are to the outside of the shield tokens. It's about range 3.5 across the bubble and from the back to the front is over range 5. The TL:DR version, if you're in the same zip code as Crimson Specialist and she guesses right for bomb placement, she can totally hit you.

Played against it for the first time a couple of days ago, and thank god this thing doesn't have a crew slot.

I'm confused. What is this showing?

You're not thinking the Crimson Specialist can launch in any direction, are you?

If not, how does the bomb reach the back markers?

1 minute ago, Jeff Wilder said:

I'm confused. What is this showing?

You're not thinking the Crimson Specialist can launch in any direction, are you?

If not, how does the bomb reach the back markers?

It's showing the extent of possible blast radii.

Ah, I see.

As an aside, we do all agree that the Crimson Specialist's ability extends to action bombs, right?

39 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Ah, I see.

As an aside, we do all agree that the Crimson Specialist's ability extends to action bombs, right?

Well no because his ability is “ When placing a bomb token you dropped after revealing your maneuver dial”.

Nevermind the useful information in this post, I really like that repaint.

This is super useful, thanks.

Doesn't trajectory simulator hit you with your own bombs unless you do the 1 hard red?

9 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Doesn't trajectory simulator hit you with your own bombs unless you do the 1 hard red?

The stop, or any turn is safe.

I like Crimson Spec a lot, she can take up an awful lot of board and make it rough to step into, she's a lot of fun.

Not sure she's good, but she's definitely fun.

9 hours ago, PoorGreedo said:

Well no because his ability is “ When placing a bomb token you dropped after revealing your maneuver dial”.

... And if I execute a maneuver, then drop an action bomb, I haven't dropped it "after revealing my maneuver dial"?

11 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

... And if I execute a maneuver, then drop an action bomb, I haven't dropped it "after revealing my maneuver dial"?

Well... the language is ambiguous, but I think the intention is clear. Otherwise you can argue that everything in the game happens after the first dial is revealed

10 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

... And if I execute a maneuver, then drop an action bomb, I haven't dropped it "after revealing my maneuver dial"?

No.

Stop that.

8 minutes ago, kris40k said:

No.

Why not? (I'm serious. I'm not just picking.)

Crimson Specialist is already useful with the one type of bomb, right? Why can't the pilot be useful with the other type of bomb?

It doesn't work with Advanced Sensors. It doesn't work with any type of Coordinate effect unless you've already revealed and executed your maneuver. It doesn't work if you're denied the action to drop the bomb.

What's the downside of following the text on the card?

(And, BTW, if that text really is supposed to restrict the type of bombs usable, it has to be in the running for worst text ever.)

11 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Why not? (I'm serious. I'm not just picking.)

Crimson Specialist is already useful with the one type of bomb, right? Why can't the pilot be useful with the other type of bomb?

It doesn't work with Advanced Sensors. It doesn't work with any type of Coordinate effect unless you've already revealed and executed your maneuver. It doesn't work if you're denied the action to drop the bomb.

What's the downside of following the text on the card?

(And, BTW, if that text really is supposed to restrict the type of bombs usable, it has to be in the running for worst text ever.)

The entire game, after the first turn, is after you reveal a maneuver dial. "After" is a synonym for "immediately after" in X-wing.

6 minutes ago, kraedin said:

The entire game, after the first turn, is after you reveal a maneuver dial. "After" is a synonym for "immediately after" in X-wing.

That isn't the way the game works or the cards are written. Dozens of cards are written with the timing restriction "after," meaning "following something in that turn."

In this case, I can't see any reason this can't be a timing restriction, rather than an unbelievably clumsy restriction on type of bombs it works with. Is it unbalanced somehow?

Don't get me wrong ... FFG's ability to write bad card text is truly amazing, so maybe that is what it means. But it could also be that it's a timing restriction.

Because considering the Perform Action step is a completely other step from the Reveal Dial step in the Maneuver phase. The word "after" has a very specific meaning and timing window which has established precedence by cards such as Kanan Jarrus (crew). Blowing it open to include any Action bomb dropped at any time during a round after the Reveal Dial would effectively break the timing of "after."

2 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Because considering the Perform Action step is a completely other step from the Reveal Dial step in the Maneuver phase. The word "after" has a very specific meaning and timing window which has established precedence by cards such as Kanan Jarrus (crew). Blowing it open to include any Action bomb dropped at any time during a round after the Reveal Dial would effectively break the timing of "after."

Okay, that's reasonable. I'm not sure there's not a counter-example, but I can't think of one. I don't think it necessarily breaks the accepted use of "after," because there's another restriction on the timing, as well ("when placing a bomb token you dropped"), but I get what you're saying.

Seriously, how hard would it be for FFG to define "mine" and "bomb" (or whatever word they want to use)?

23 minutes ago, kraedin said:

The entire game, after the first turn, is after you reveal a maneuver dial. "After" is a synonym for "immediately after" in X-wing.

That's funny, because I think I remember reading that "immediately" actually has no timing meaning in XWM, despite the fact it is used a lot.

9 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Okay, that's reasonable. I'm not sure there's not a counter-example, but I can't think of one. I don't think it necessarily breaks the accepted use of "after," because there's another restriction on the timing, as well ("when placing a bomb token you dropped"), but I get what you're saying.

Seriously, how hard would it be for FFG to define "mine" and "bomb" (or whatever word they want to use)?

I agree. X-Wing would benefit greatly from the a keyword system like they use in Armada, Legion, and other games. Having a Bomb and Mine keyword would help streamline rules instead of having to do things like they did here, and with the "bombs with the ' Action :' header" mess on the Trajectory Simulator.

2 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

... And if I execute a maneuver, then drop an action bomb, I haven't dropped it "after revealing my maneuver dial"?

Revealing the dial is the step #1 of the activation phase, before step #2 which is execute the maneuver. (FYI, perform action is step #3).

Page #4, second paragraph of the rule book in case you need it.

13 hours ago, hawk32 said:

Played against it for the first time a couple of days ago, and thank god this thing doesn't have a crew slot.

Yeah, but with Nym as a wingman, you could get Bane's rerolls or Sabine's extra damage anyway.

Shouldn't it say " When placing a bomb token you dropped WHEN revealing your maneuver dial" since that's the wording on the bombs??? FFG what

Looks guys, I'm all for RAW arguments but if you can't see why crimson spec barely sticking a Conner net template to their generous sides isn't an incredibly stupid idea...