Hi i was just wondering what we saw new, or at least not in this form in those two movies...

There is kylos blaster bolt holding at the very beginning of 7.

Mind reading is probably not new but i can t think of an other example.... hm ok vader did read luke a bit, about lea and so on. Or was it more “feelings“.

If true, the mind connecting of snoke is new...

Lukes force projection is new, from a living at least.

More? Or is something i mentioned old ?

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Kylo's stopping a blaster bolt can be covered as a narrative result of him using the Bind power on Poe, or the GM using a Despair result on Poe's failed combat check to enforce how out of his league Poe was, with the mechanical effect being that Kylo got an upgrade on his Discipline check to use Bind on Poe.

The mind reading is covered largely under Sense's Control upgrade to detect thoughts; it's not 100% perfect, but a PC could potentially glean more details by spending Advantage from an opposed Discipline check against the target.

The Force bond as shown between Rey and Kylo is really more of a plot thing, and probably doesn't need a specific Force power.

Luke's Force projection could be construed as very advanced usage of the Misdirect power, but again the exact usage in the film is ultimately a plot effect that shouldn't be something that PCs can do on a whim; he was sitting on what was very likely a powerful Force vergeance, was a powerful Jedi Master, and the effort of what he did wound up killing him.

In my opinion Kylo's blaster blocking was the Protect power, narrated in a way that fit his personal flavor as a Force user who focuses on Bind.

Otherwise I agree with Donovan. The only thing that might require a new power is Leia's flight, but honestly I can already feel myself retconning that scene out of my memory. Not that it's something it wouldn't make sense for the Force to be able to do, but it just doesn't fit with the flavor of the Force. (In principle Force telekinesis should be able to do things like rip people's heads off too, but I would not want that kind of image in a Star Wars game either, since it doesn't fit with the Star Wars flavor as I perceive it.)

In ESB, Vader deflects Han's blaster shot with his bare hand; Ren's "frozen bolt" was just a more theatrical expression of that same trick. It could be Protect, it could be the Sense defensive control upgrade, or it could just be ranks in Adversary plus cool description.

Luke's Force projection could be a "new" power - or it could just be a massively upgraded Misdirect - create an illusion, with lots of range, plus affecting lots of people - some of which is probably due to him being in the original Force vergence at the time. Also, it's not actually new - Yoda does the same thing in Rebels, appearing to Kanan and Ezra in the temple on Lothal, while he stays on Dagobah. Again, though - Yoda's on Dagobah, which is apparently mostly vergence, and Kanan and Ezra are in the Lothal temple, which is also a vergence. Hence, weird power boosts and effects are to be expected.

So is it a power, or merely a vergence effect (aka plot device)? How reliably can Luke, Yoda, or anyone do that in other situations?

The long range Force communication could be a new power - but, again, vergence for Rey, power boost from Snoke for Kylo. So maybe it's just extra levels of Range?

Leia's flight is just flipping a destiny point to say "I don't die!" Or it's Move, on herself, possibly with the Force-babble that she pulls on the Raddus , and since it's so much bigger, she's the thing that moves.

4 hours ago, DaverWattra said:

In my opinion Kylo's blaster blocking was the Protect power, narrated in a way that fit his personal flavor as a Force user who focuses on Bind.

Problem with that approach is that we see Kylo pretty much locking down Poe at the same moment he freezes the blaster bolt, and using Protect as an out of turn incidental is restricted to Light Side Force users per the Row 5 Control Upgrade. With Kylo Ren pretty much being a dark sider, that renders him ineligible to use that aspect of Protect.

Alternatively, since Kylo did have his lightsaber out and activated, it could have been a narrative usage of Reflect, with Kylo having enough ranks and soak value to simply absorb the damage from Poe's shot (who likely didn't get more than one or two successes); 4 ranks of Reflect and a soak value of 5 (Brawn 3 at minimum and then +2 from armored robes) easily lets him tank up to 11 points of damage from a ranged attack for a paltry 3 strain, and stopping the blaster bolt in midair simply added as narrative flair given Kylo's response of using Bind within seconds of Poe firing.

Vader meanwhile had plenty of time to set up Protect before Han Solo drew his blaster; given Solo's reputation (especially before the Special Editions), it'd be a safe bet on his part to assume that Han's first reaction would be to go for his blaster.

Wasn’t there a for e power called doppelgänger in the old WEG stuff like Luke’s force projection?

4 hours ago, DaverWattra said:

In my opinion Kylo's blaster blocking was the Protect power, narrated in a way that fit his personal flavor as a Force user who focuses on Bind.

Otherwise I agree with Donovan. The only thing that might require a new power is Leia's flight, but honestly I can already feel myself retconning that scene out of my memory. Not that it's something it wouldn't make sense for the Force to be able to do, but it just doesn't fit with the flavor of the Force. (In principle Force telekinesis should be able to do things like rip people's heads off too, but I would not want that kind of image in a Star Wars game either, since it doesn't fit with the Star Wars flavor as I perceive it.)

I don’t have a problem with her flight as she’s in zero gravity and has a large object to grab onto with move. I didn’t like her Christopher Reeve - Superman/ Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon theatrics though.

This sort of thing also happened in season three Rebels when Kanaan was tossed out the airlock by Maul.

18 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Problem with that approach is that we see Kylo pretty much locking down Poe at the same moment he freezes the blaster bolt, and using Protect as an out of turn incidental is restricted to Light Side Force users per the Row 5 Control Upgrade. With Kylo Ren pretty much being a dark sider, that renders him ineligible to use that aspect of Protect.

I'm not a huge fan of rules that say certain applications of Force powers are unavailable to dark siders or light siders. What power did Mother Talzin use to fix up Darth Maul, since dark siders apparently can't heal? And what about Vader's apparent use of Protect to reflect a shot back at his attacker in the famous Rogue One massacre scene? Sure, it could be fluffed as Improved Reflect + poetic license, but why should we need to do that? The devs have screwed up every time they've placed these dark sider/light sider restrictions IMO.

My complaints aside, going purely with RAW, how do we know Ren doesn't have The Force is My Ally, allowing him to use two powers in the same turn? How do we know he hadn't prepared Protect in advance the previous turn? Seems like a natural thing to do when you're on a still-smoking battlefield. And finally, since we're allowing enough narrative license to count a Despair as Kylo using the Force to block a shot, couldn't the GM narrate the turn order to make events from "separate turns" happen in the same moment of narrative time, so as to emphasize Kylo's powers? If the GM has a lot of leeway with narrating different mechanics, shouldn't there be similar leeway in narrating which events happen "simultaneously"?

Edit: Or perhaps Poe rolled a hit with a despair and/or lots of threat, and the GM ruled that Kylo could spend this to use Protect out of turn?