Imperial Naval Academy (loyal Imperials only)

By Mikael Hasselstein, in Star Wars: Armada

14 hours ago, Norsehound said:

An Imperial Commander's perspective: Optimization

Putting this bluntly, the universe rewards you if you have more ships. There are two significant reasons for this.

  • First is the power of being able to delay-activate your opponent's primary ship into range, where it receives damage first by forcing it to skip it's attack and being subject to yours when you are in range. This back-and-forth of whom determines the first alpha strike can quickly determine how a match will go from there on out. This is why Demolisher is so powerful, because it gets around this limitation by choosing where to deliver its alpha strike. As a whole though, making your opponent's big-bad gunship skip its activation gives you a significant advantage. This is why there has been a rise of flotillas, more than any other reason.
  • Second is the power of spamming a key upgrade. We see this with Raiders running Screed and APTs- you can deliver as many face-up crits on a target you choose when you get into range. This is why CR-90s are so powerful with TRCs. Hammeheads with XI7s, DTTs, spinals, or intel officers for raw damage repeated on a target. The net effect of this attack spamming means a single ship receiving the damage has to blow through its defense tokens a lot quicker in response. This is also why fighters are particularly powerful, and why Yavaris is as strong as it is.

These are the Rebel ways. I have always wondered how badly Clon damaged Imperial list building. The Clonisher used activation for control, however, as was quickly proved in the aftermath, rebels do it better, but imps have long help on to the idea they can compete here.

14 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Activations and upgrade swarming give Imperial players an uphill struggle on choosing optimal lists, because for both of these things, the Rebellion does it better and more cheaply. There are two significant problems as a result of the above:

  • First, Imperial ships as a whole are more expensive. We are expected to do more with less. For instance, your ISDs are so heavy in points you're expected to be able to counter-attack swarms of smaller ships. Indeed, the ISD can very capably one-shot almost any other ship in the game... though as above, it only has four damage tokens. Devestator was created for the inevitability of being swarmed to death by fighters/Multiple-small-units because it can very quickly run out of them when under attrition attack.

    Still, not all ships can be the toughest starship in the game. Half the Imperial inventory is made up of medium and heavy ships, which cannot be spammed and do not have the resiliency of the Imperial. Case in point is the Victory Star Destroyer, a heavy cruiser which cannot survive well against heavy ship attack barrages and struggles in the face of MSU shots. More than the ISD, the VSD has to assuredly kill the lights-and-mediums sent against it, but thanks to cards out there such as Rieekan, Cracken, and Mon-Mothma this is no longer a certainty.

    The only exception that comes to mind is the 'wall of victory' list of VSDs with Motti... but I've never heard of this list topping at a major event.
  • The second problem is that when it comes to Imperial ship-spam in response, we do not do it so well. The Raider is our equivalent corvette, but it suffers tremendously from defending better at long range, but being effective at close range. Spamming APTs with screed is an adventure because Raiders can very easily be popped- unless you have first-last advantage, be prepared to lose one of them without any return. Other Empire players can offer up the Gozanti as another swarm unit, but unlike the Hammerhead, the Gozanti doesn't have any slots to enhance the firepower it puts out except taking an Intelligence officer (though going this route makes the Gozanti more expensive than it is survivable worth). Leaning on Gozantis for your swarm attack advantage is also relying entirely on Red Dice, which more than one player in my earshot has cursed for it's unpredictability.

I agree with you, Imps do not do it as well.

SO STOP TRYING!

Lets look instead at what the Imps do well!

Specialised Squadrons

Specialised Ships

Obscene damage at close range from all ships

Best Relay in the game.

High Hull making the ships able to withstand most burst shots.

2 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Is that a good idea? Do we want to splinter the forum already?

From where I am sitting the main problem the Imps have is that there arent many bloggers for imps. Biggs is a rebel, Truth is a rebel, Schmitty is a rebel, Geek is a rebel and so on... the only regular blogger for Imps is Snipa, and do we really count that anyway as him and Geek do more entry level blogging anyway. (Not that it isnt much appreciated but Mikael seems to want high level ideas).

What is missing for the imps is a culture of learning and sharing of ideas, is closing yourselves of into an elitist group going to help with that? And is it going to help the overall culture of Armada players which is very good. Quite frankly I am a little disturbed that you want to do this.

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2016/04/being-playerbase-we-want-to-be.html

This is an interesting read. However, sadly, I think a lot of this has happened. From all Rieekan Aceholes lists, to players taking full advantage of the system...I've seen plenty of it.

As for building a forum for Imperial discussion...I'm all for it. Newbs are welcome too, and can benefit from the experience of more seasoned players. This is not 'closing yourselves off into an elitist group'. This is creating a space were anyone interested in flying Empire can come and learn. And if we throw in some in universe role play, even better.

My two Imperial credits, anyway.

Imperial doctrine 101: Crush your enemies.

Medium ships and small ships are for keeping subdued planets in line. When facing the Rebel scum in fleet battles bring the might of the Empire to war, bring the ISD. Close with your enemy and crush them one ship at a time. Do not stand off and engage them in a battle of attrition, close with them, force them into your fight. Pick your enemy ship and crush it, pick another and crush it. The enemy fighters are strong, use your fighters to hold them up, the death of a few pilots is nothing when compared to the death of the enemy fleet.

Imperial Fist
Author: Englishpete

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 393/400

Commander: Grand Admiral Thrawn

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation Objective: Solar Corona

[ flagship ] Imperial Star Destroyer Kuat Refit (112 points)
- Grand Admiral Thrawn ( 32 points)
- Relentless ( 3 points)
- Fire-Control Team ( 2 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Leading Shots ( 4 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 165 total ship cost

Imperial I-Class Star Destroyer (110 points)
- Avenger ( 5 points)
- Minister Tua ( 2 points)
- Boarding Troopers ( 3 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- X17 Turbolasers ( 6 points)
- Leading Shots ( 4 points)
= 137 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
= 23 total ship cost

1 Lambda-class Shuttle ( 15 points)
1 Maarek Steele ( 21 points)
2 TIE Defender Squadrons ( 32 points)

I have often wondered why there are not at least Imperial and Rebel sub-forums here. I've always prefered cloistering into my own faction forum in other games.

2 hours ago, Alzer said:

I have often wondered why there are not at least Imperial and Rebel sub-forums here. I've always prefered cloistering into my own faction forum in other games.

Probably because most of us play both factions and own all the ships.

I would like to submit an application to the Academy. I am but a young Lieutenant, newer to the great Imperial Navy, but would like to receive tutelage from such great admirals such as @Snipafist, who I will (with luck) be meeting tonight at the local game store's Armada night. I believe that the best way to crush the rebel scum is to tear them apart with the crushing attacks of a Star Destroyer and an endless, unrelenting swarm of bombers. Long live the Emperor!

8 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Is that a good idea? Do we want to splinter the forum already?

From where I am sitting the main problem the Imps have is that there arent many bloggers for imps. Biggs is a rebel, Truth is a rebel, Schmitty is a rebel, Geek is a rebel and so on... the only regular blogger for Imps is Snipa, and do we really count that anyway as him and Geek do more entry level blogging anyway. (Not that it isnt much appreciated but Mikael seems to want high level ideas).

What is missing for the imps is a culture of learning and sharing of ideas, is closing yourselves of into an elitist group going to help with that? And is it going to help the overall culture of Armada players which is very good. Quite frankly I am a little disturbed that you want to do this.

The Empire does not have a culture of learning and sharing ideas... It is a closed elitist group...

I'm really torn between feigning outrage at the accusation ("I am shocked—shocked—to find that gambling closed elitism is going on in here!"), or embracing it with gusto.

It's kind of like when this Jewish-Australian comedian tried to join the KKK, but they refused him based on his Jewishness. He was aghast, saying: "but that's racist!"

1 hour ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

("I am shocked—shocked—to find that gambling closed elitism is going on in here!")

"Your winnings, sir..."

9 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

From where I am sitting the main problem the Imps have is that there arent many bloggers for imps. Biggs is a rebel,

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2016/11/biggs-pre-action-report-worlds.html - 7th Overall 2016 Worlds Day 1A

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2017/07/2-triangles-and-baby-streetsboro-ohio.html - 2017 Store Championship (2nd Place)

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2017/07/konstant-kontact-biggs-goes-to-mr-nice.html - 2017 Store Championship (Winner)

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2017/09/biggs-at-us-nationals-sloanes-steel.html - 2017 US Nationals (winning record)

http://www.steelstrategy.com/2017/12/what-is-biggs-playing-now-moffy-j.html - What I'm playing now

47 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Still part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.

Take him away!

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Cadet Gecko, reporting for duty! I was recently promoted from Starfighter Coordination, ready and eager, Sir!

Edited by DampfGecko
On 12/25/2017 at 9:11 PM, Mikael Hasselstein said:

After a preliminary screening, @Darth Lupine, @ImperialCaptain2017, @Norsehound, @Snipafist, and @BrobaFett are deemed sufficiently loyal to join the Imperial Academy.

Both @GiledPallaeon and @Ginkapo strike Imperial Intelligence as certainly sufficiently competent, but the ISB has some loyalty concerns and requires more time to verify the record. Were more evidence of loyalty to be entered into the record, that may sway the screening committee.

@Alzer is still being screened. For him also more evidence of loyalty being entered into the record may sway the screening committee.

*cough*

Edited by thecactusman17

My very first tournament (and tournament win) was playing at the Massing at Sullust, where I won with an Imperial fleet and naturally took home an Imperial Star Destroyer for my effort. While I've had two tournaments in the time since playing Rebels (including one seasonal kit win and a single Regionals loss) nearly all of my games are as Imperials casually and competitively.

I have written at length on a number of Imperial ships here on these forums. So far as I am aware, I'm the only person to ever win a Store Championship or better event while fielding the Devastator ISD title. At US Nationals 2017, I placed in the top 8 for my heat day (though missed the overall combined cut). Again, with Devastator. I created an article expressly detailing, at personal risk to my competition standings, on how to utilize and fight against the Devastator title for maximum effectiveness. I've also created one of the most popular strategy discussions in recent months regarding how to engage and defeat arguably the most powerful current Rebel fleet, the Rieekan Aceholes/2+3 list.

I called, as an Imperial, for Demolisher to be nerfed because it was actively harming the overall game meta and potential future growth for both factions and especially Imperials.

And that is far more said about myself than I'm typically comfortable with, so I'll leave it there. Now on to some actual ideas.

Thought on Imperial play a it stands now:

  • Quality vs Quantity: Certain Imperial ships, especially ISDs, have a lot of potential for high quality activations and particularlygoing forward with Thrawn being added to the game. Additionally, Jerjerrod and Tarkin both improve the action economy of Imperial ships by allowing commanders to effectively combine multiple actions without the need to reveal new commands.
  • Positioning and Facing: Imperial combat ships, more so than most Rebel ships, depend on attacking from a single, critical facing. While double-arcing can minimize this somewhat, Imperial ships tend to have all of their major firepower wrapped up in their front arc. This also causes limitations for ship mobility and engagements, as it means you have to approach from a location and angle where typically your front arc will be in range, and maintain range and distance after the enemy moves. Given the shallower arc and shorter range of most ships, this presents a greater challenge than maintaining range at a distance with the wide side arcs and long standoff range of most Rebel ships.
  • Outside the Imperial Star Destroyer and the VSD, Imperial ships tend to be highly specialized towards specific uses. I find that it's a smart idea to build around a key ship, not just a big ship but something that magnifies the goal of the fleet. I also recommend taking a backup threat, which can either functionally mop up after a big hot from a threat like an ISD or bomber wing and also corral in ships that might otherwise try to flee the fight.
On 12/27/2017 at 1:37 PM, geek19 said:

Based on your namesake, any suggestions on making rice krispie treats? Any tasty ingredients to add in, SAGELY?

Outer rim levels of OT going on here :) My daughter just made some treats for a school economics project. She made some strawberry flavored treats by adding 3 0.5-oz packages of freeze-dried strawberries, lightly broken up, to a standard batch recipe. They were absolutely amazing.

14 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

From where I am sitting the main problem the Imps have is that there arent many bloggers for imps. Biggs is a rebel plays both, Truth is a rebel plays both, Schmitty is a rebel plays both, Geek is a rebel and so on... the only regular blogger for Imps is Snipa, and do we really count that anyway as him and Geek do more entry level blogging anyway. (Not that it isnt much appreciated but Mikael seems to want high level ideas).

Fixed that for ya. I won my most recent Store Championship with Imps. I stopped playing that list because BT/Avenger became a big thing and you know what a contrarian I am. I often find myself going away from Imps more because they're so prevalent around my neck of the woods. Gotta keep things interesting. I solemnly swear my first wave 7 list will be Imperial.

4 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

....I solemnly swear my first wave 7 list will be Imperial.

I solemnly swear I'm up to no-good Rebel tricks...

21 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I solemnly swear I'm up to no-good Rebel tricks...

Haven Potter and the Disappearing Damage Point.

The ISB worked overhours this evening, and screened the currently remaining candidates for the Imperial Naval Academy. Many new recruits were invited to attend, and a number were found insufficiently loyal. Some were downright traitorous and will be supplied with an all-expense-paid vacation to the spice mines of Kessel.

Two potential recruits (@Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17) were unable to receive messages. (Paging @Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17, paging @Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17)

@thecactusman17 should be made aware that the lung condition that his cough speaks to is not covered by the Empire's health insurance plan.

I of course wouldn't wish to join any club that would have the likes of me as a member.

Stay Happy (seriously):angry:

6 hours ago, DampfGecko said:

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Please see a local rebel recruiting office after becoming disillusioned with the empires "cause" and decide to put your skills to a truly good cause.

1 hour ago, Steck638 said:

Please see a local rebel recruiting office after becoming disillusioned with the empires "cause" and decide to put your skills to a truly good cause.

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6 hours ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

The ISB worked overhours this evening, and screened the currently remaining candidates for the Imperial Naval Academy. Many new recruits were invited to attend, and a number were found insufficiently loyal. Some were downright traitorous and will be supplied with an all-expense-paid vacation to the spice mines of Kessel.

Two potential recruits (@Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17) were unable to receive messages. (Paging @Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17, paging @Lord Preyer and @thecactusman17)

@thecactusman17 should be made aware that the lung condition that his cough speaks to is not covered by the Empire's health insurance plan.

Thanks to the foresight of the Grand Admiral, an engineering dial has now been revealed to remove the Comms Noise damage.

Communications channels clear.

7 hours ago, Steck638 said:

Please see a local rebel recruiting office after becoming disillusioned with the empires "cause" and decide to put your skills to a truly good cause.

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7 hours ago, Mad Cat said:

I of course wouldn't wish to join any club that would have the likes of me as a member.

Stay Happy (seriously):angry:

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