Using miniatures across game systems is potentially smart busines. I would have never in my life considered age of Sigmar but now I have shadespire figures and will eventually have some rat guys and may actually buy into a Skaven army if it suits me.

same thing with warmachine and company of iron. I almost bought back into warmacine thanks to CoI existing. I didn’t given I need more minis like I need a hole in my head but overall yeah when companies put more potential uses into a miniature I’m way more likely to buy it and invest the time in painting it.

Time is the primary resource these games compeat for.

With the descent app I think FFG should consider putting some of the Rune Wars figures into descent and I think there is no real reason Star Wars could not also follow suit.

On 12/23/2017 at 8:21 PM, Mep said:

Simplified answer to your question, they are slightly bigger and more detailed than IA miniatures, So yes, they do bring in something new. Also, two completely different games with different sets of cards. You aren't saving yourself anything with old minis outside painting time.

The detail on Legion minis are potato grade, same as IA, compared to their competition where you have to put the minis together yourself. I don't really see slightly less bad as being a benefit. Also with the price of things like the AT-ST being TWICE what IA's is, they've become the most expensive kid on the block, which doesn't work very well with potato miniatures.

Says the person who’s never held one and does not even know that you have to assemble them yourself.

8 hours ago, Union said:

The detail on Legion minis are potato grade, same as IA, compared to their competition where you have to put the minis together yourself. I don't really see slightly less bad as being a benefit. Also with the price of things like the AT-ST being TWICE what IA's is, they've become the most expensive kid on the block, which doesn't work very well with potato miniatures.

I agree compared to other miniatures they don't quite make the cut. Just looking at the AT-ST though, it is more detailed than the IA's version. Is it twice as nice? Ummm, no, not close. It is a star wars game, of course it is a money grab like all the other SW stuff we've bought over the years .... happily.

Calling the hard work and love the creators of these games put in a “money grab” is kind of lame.

None of us have even held or painted a legion figure. How do you know they are potatoes?

19 hours ago, Union said:

The detail on Legion minis are potato grade, same as IA, compared to their competition where you have to put the minis together yourself. I don't really see slightly less bad as being a benefit. Also with the price of things like the AT-ST being TWICE what IA's is, they've become the most expensive kid on the block, which doesn't work very well with potato miniatures.

Potatoes? Takes one to know one, I guess.

I kid! No flak, no flak!

I think potato grade is a bit harsh but Union does have a point. If FFG is planning on breaking into the tabletop market, the quality of the minis goes a long way towards the game system's appeal. For the success of Legion, I believe FFG need to rely on more than just the Star Wars IP. Gameplay helps, of course, but so do the quality of the sculpts, especially as Legion players will be looking to paint their minis.

Legion quality looks fine. It’s not the very top end of the market, but it’s far from potato quality.

IMO the ranks of games I play from best to worst, roughly:

Infnity

GW games

Freebooters Fate

Legion / Malifaux

Good Historical (Perrys, Footsore etc)

Warmachine

IA

Bad Historical

Random stuff

But it’s mostly personal taste tbh.

From the pictures I have seen so far I think the miniature sculpts themselves are good.

My personal feelings about the change in miniature scale between IA and Legion are very similar to the feelings I had back when WOTC's SWM game replaced the WEG SWMB game.

I started my interest in Miniature Wargaming back with SWMB back in the mid 1990s and I never really left the ruleset, I simply made use of whatever Star Wars miniatures were available as time went on. In fact I, like may other WEG SWMB gamers, was mixing miniatures from different ranges even while WEG was still around. Suitable Micromachines or Kenner MicroAction Figures were painted and based and used in whatever setting suited.

A good chunk of my miniatures are WEG's 25mm Metal figures (from back in the day when you measured scale to the eye-level not the top of the head) and when WOTC went 30mm ( in the beginning and only god knows what it was at the end) it was a disappointment to see that scale difference was significant enough to make intermixing of the figures difficult. Not that it stopped me buying WOTC, I bought many hundreds of them to leverage the miniatures and continued to use SWMB mechanics rather than the mechanics provided.

I finally started picking up some IA items early this year as they had been very difficult to source in my part of Australia and I was reluctant to purchase into another series of miniatures if the longevity was not there. FFG's use of the 30-31mm scale offered some nice miniatures which scale wise can be slotted into my collection amongst the more 'normal' of the WOTC range and give a few more options for poses etc.

So, it is a little disappointing to see Legion with a scale of probably 35mm rather than IA's 30-31mm and FFG simply using the same scale for both games.

From a mechanics point of view Legion seems to be more SWMB than any of the Star Wars Miniatures games since SWMB, but as an old timer the question of scale right now has me wondering if continuing to order IA figures is the way forward or halting and awaiting Legion to see what I can do with them.....

Maybe I'm just an old stick in the mud but it seems in 20+ years the issue of scale creep and changes continues to be an area that I really wish would be sorted out for Star Wars Miniatures as of now I have:

WEG 25mm; Prototype Global Games 28mm; WOTC 30mm-3xmm; IA 30/31mm......

On 24/12/2017 at 10:35 AM, IG-58 said:

It's been literally a couple YEARS since I even looked at these boards, so this topic, eh, MAY possibly have been covered - but I'm not hunting for it.

I adore collecting & painting the gorgeous IA minis, so of course I was interested in the Legion sets. Wasn't going to get a whole bunch, though, 'cos... done already.

Well, I needn't have worried - I guess FFG changed the mini size, but actually scaled UP. I really have to wonder at what possible logic was involved. They don't "go with" ANYthing, but don't actually add anything new either, and thus so much for use with existing RPG miniatures - there went that particular market. The name LEGION would suggest bigger battles and so one would THINK smaller - say, 15mm - minis to support that with mobs of troops & tanks & stuff, but nooo . We'll make them BIGGER instead. I'm sorta dumfounded at the decision, and I'm personally tweaked because I think FFG was on the cusp of Epic Battle Greatness and went completely south with it; I'da really been there for 15mm AT-STs, Kas tanks & Stormtrooper 10-pak boosters.

Well - there won't be a single one of these going into MY well-funded collection. I realize there are - uh - legions of fans who will say "don't let the door hit ya," but that is NOT a good answer for the hobby. Have there been thoughts or official commentary on this?

You know.. that never even occurred to me. It is called LEGION and yet it is a small scale skirmish game... LOL

I agree with this 100%. Maybe they will pull an Armada down the track? I was watching the battle of Hoth just before, you couldn't do much at LEGION scale, sure you could make some trenches but you'll be shooting at stuff off the table and getting hit by AT-AT's off the table too hahahaha.

There is a definite market for a GW version of StarWars though, FFG just have to get their act together and then they will nail it.

On 12/23/2017 at 5:35 PM, IG-58 said:

It's been literally a couple YEARS since I even looked at these boards, so this topic, eh, MAY possibly have been covered - but I'm not hunting for it.

I adore collecting & painting the gorgeous IA minis, so of course I was interested in the Legion sets. Wasn't going to get a whole bunch, though, 'cos... done already.

Well, I needn't have worried - I guess FFG changed the mini size, but actually scaled UP. I really have to wonder at what possible logic was involved. They don't "go with" ANYthing, but don't actually add anything new either, and thus so much for use with existing RPG miniatures - there went that particular market. The name LEGION would suggest bigger battles and so one would THINK smaller - say, 15mm - minis to support that with mobs of troops & tanks & stuff, but nooo . We'll make them BIGGER instead. I'm sorta dumfounded at the decision, and I'm personally tweaked because I think FFG was on the cusp of Epic Battle Greatness and went completely south with it; I'da really been there for 15mm AT-STs, Kas tanks & Stormtrooper 10-pak boosters.

Well - there won't be a single one of these going into MY well-funded collection. I realize there are - uh - legions of fans who will say "don't let the door hit ya," but that is NOT a good answer for the hobby. Have there been thoughts or official commentary on this?

And 40K is supposed to be huge armies against each other yet they are on 32mm bases, which is Legions scale if I am correct.

Not uncommon to see 40k games with 60 models a side and half a dozen tanks, all in ~30mm scale so really don't get all the scale panic. Fact is wargamers not born during WW2 prefer larger models and not historicals.

Sure a smaller scale would have meant easier ability to use large SW vehicles like AtAts etc but if GW can put down 1.5foot tall titans and have a game then so can FFG.....all in time.

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:26 AM, 1 said:

You know.. that never even occurred to me. It is called LEGION and yet it is a small scale skirmish game... LOL

I agree with this 100%. Maybe they will pull an Armada down the track? I was watching the battle of Hoth just before, you couldn't do much at LEGION scale, sure you could make some trenches but you'll be shooting at stuff off the table and getting hit by AT-AT's off the table too hahahaha.

There is a definite market for a GW version of StarWars though, FFG just have to get their act together and then they will nail it.

Well, they call it Armada when it's more along the lines of flotilla.

You are arguing apples and oranges. Infinity and gw have games to promote miniature sales. The games themselves suck. In my own opinion. Infinity has so many rules as to make it almost unplayable. And gw the rules really have never changed. The miniatures are the draw. Ffg Star Wars is the draw... and let’s face it the game. I am not saying that legion is the heir apparent. I am saying I think it’s going to be great. Time will tell

Infinity is really simple once you get used to it, it’s my personal favourite game. IMO it’s better than any FFG game to date, but it lacks the Star Wars draw, which is a big deal for me.

Just different tastes really.