It's been literally a couple YEARS since I even looked at these boards, so this topic, eh, MAY possibly have been covered - but I'm not hunting for it.

I adore collecting & painting the gorgeous IA minis, so of course I was interested in the Legion sets. Wasn't going to get a whole bunch, though, 'cos... done already.

Well, I needn't have worried - I guess FFG changed the mini size, but actually scaled UP. I really have to wonder at what possible logic was involved. They don't "go with" ANYthing, but don't actually add anything new either, and thus so much for use with existing RPG miniatures - there went that particular market. The name LEGION would suggest bigger battles and so one would THINK smaller - say, 15mm - minis to support that with mobs of troops & tanks & stuff, but nooo . We'll make them BIGGER instead. I'm sorta dumfounded at the decision, and I'm personally tweaked because I think FFG was on the cusp of Epic Battle Greatness and went completely south with it; I'da really been there for 15mm AT-STs, Kas tanks & Stormtrooper 10-pak boosters.

Well - there won't be a single one of these going into MY well-funded collection. I realize there are - uh - legions of fans who will say "don't let the door hit ya," but that is NOT a good answer for the hobby. Have there been thoughts or official commentary on this?

Dude... This has been covered to death. Everything that can be said in the subject has been beat to death many times over.

Here is the main discussion. 8 pages of it.

3 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Dude... This has been covered to death. Everything that can be said in the subject has been beat to death many times over.

This. 100%

Okay - welp, here's to another two years! And for the same reason. Y'all be well!

Simplified answer to your question, they are slightly bigger and more detailed than IA miniatures, So yes, they do bring in something new. Also, two completely different games with different sets of cards. You aren't saving yourself anything with old minis outside painting time.

58 minutes ago, IG-58 said:

Okay - welp, here's to another two years! And for the same reason. Y'all be well!

Before you do disappear answer me a question. How good is the IA scaling, really? I have heard from other posters that the models increase in size in the later waves anyway, and there's a pic kicking around of a royal guard that's bigger than a legion rebel trooper (base difference included)....

Couldn't be bothered to find the thread that beat to death your one complaint (it would've been on page three before you posted btw)... check.

Thinly veiled reference to how well off you are.... check.

"Didn't get my way" quit post... check.

If there was a door to smack you with on the way out I might give it a push rather than warn you. Personally you'e made me happy that you'e not going to buy into Legion, because playing someone with your attitude would not be fun at all. Have a nice life!

7 hours ago, IG-58 said:

It's been literally a couple YEARS since I even looked at these boards, so this topic, eh, MAY possibly have been covered - but I'm not hunting for it.

I adore collecting & painting the gorgeous IA minis, so of course I was interested in the Legion sets. Wasn't going to get a whole bunch, though, 'cos... done already.

Well, I needn't have worried - I guess FFG changed the mini size, but actually scaled UP. I really have to wonder at what possible logic was involved. They don't "go with" ANYthing, but don't actually add anything new either, and thus so much for use with existing RPG miniatures - there went that particular market. The name LEGION would suggest bigger battles and so one would THINK smaller - say, 15mm - minis to support that with mobs of troops & tanks & stuff, but nooo . We'll make them BIGGER instead. I'm sorta dumfounded at the decision, and I'm personally tweaked because I think FFG was on the cusp of Epic Battle Greatness and went completely south with it; I'da really been there for 15mm AT-STs, Kas tanks & Stormtrooper 10-pak boosters.

Well - there won't be a single one of these going into MY well-funded collection. I realize there are - uh - legions of fans who will say "don't let the door hit ya," but that is NOT a good answer for the hobby. Have there been thoughts or official commentary on this?

If you don’t want to buy/play it then just dont. But you don’t have to tell everyone cause honestly NOBODY CARES that you’re not getting the game.

9 hours ago, Mep said:

Simplified answer to your question, they are slightly bigger and more detailed than IA miniatures, So yes, they do bring in something new. Also, two completely different games with different sets of cards. You aren't saving yourself anything with old minis outside painting time.

Theme is still the same: Troops fighting other troops. Was it so wrong to want something drastically different? Armada isn't X-Wing with Star Destroyer "miniatures".

1 hour ago, Norsehound said:

Theme is still the same: Troops fighting other troops. Was it so wrong to want something drastically different? Armada isn't X-Wing with Star Destroyer "miniatures".

Yeah, but there's just as much difference from rogue trader / space hulk mini's to 40k stuff as well. Put them on the right bases and they aren't that bad (besides the detail)......

Look guys, this is how it’s going to be. If you don’t like it, thats your opinion and I respect that but please stop making a big deal out of it on the forum, it won’t achieve anything.

2 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Theme is still the same: Troops fighting other troops. Was it so wrong to want something drastically different? Armada isn't X-Wing with Star Destroyer "miniatures".

And Legion isn’t going to just be IA with large minis either.

But as many have said....this flogged horse isn’t just dead, it’s decomposed and the skeleton is starting to fossilise at this point.

...

Adios muchacho. If your complaint is scale, and the number of miniatures you already have. It’s hard to be sympathetic. At this point there is nothing to be done. If you are not going to be accommodated, By either ffg or the community. You know this. So this post is just a troll.. if we have to wait two years before you make another appearance. Why not extend that time, three , four or ten years? The decision to make it the same scale only makes sense to existing IA players. New players and FFG. Are either not going to mind the new scale or enjoy the new revenue stream. So in summation: don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

11 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Theme is still the same: Troops fighting other troops. Was it so wrong to want something drastically different? Armada isn't X-Wing with Star Destroyer "miniatures".

Ummm, IA is a board game that is a story driven campaign. Sure skirmish can be compared to Legion but the game mechanics are so different that Armada and X-Wing really are closer to each other than IA and Legion. Actually Armada isn't too far off from X-Wing, just things are out of order. I guess the painting is more or less the same.

15 minutes ago, Mep said:

Ummm, IA is a board game that is a story driven campaign. Sure skirmish can be compared to Legion but the game mechanics are so different that Armada and X-Wing really are closer to each other than IA and Legion. Actually Armada isn't too far off from X-Wing, just things are out of order . I guess the painting is more or less the same.

No.. things are in their proper order

If anything Legion is closer to Armada and X-Wing than IA due to the mechanics

6 hours ago, Mep said:

Ummm, IA is a board game that is a story driven campaign. Sure skirmish can be compared to Legion but the game mechanics are so different that Armada and X-Wing really are closer to each other than IA and Legion. Actually Armada isn't too far off from X-Wing, just things are out of order. I guess the painting is more or less the same.

I can accomplish what Legion does in IA by laying out a grid map with random terrain and using a bunch of infantry figures/packs. It's not supported by official play, but it does what Legion purports to do: Infantry groups fighting other infantry groups with character interactions. Instead of building an entirely new product FFG could have released a rules PDF with custom rules to support this scope.

Instead they spent resources re-making Imperial Assault to compete with 40K.

Let's just hope they succeed at toppling 40K... FFG has superior game mechanics and scores a lot higher for usability than 40K does. Ditching tables is going to be a massive boon by comparison. Let's hope they succeed?

42 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

Instead they spent resources re-making Imperial Assault to compete with 40K.

Let's just hope they succeed at toppling 40K... FFG has superior game mechanics and scores a lot higher for usability than 40K does. Ditching tables is going to be a massive boon by comparison. Let's hope they succeed?

I'd rather they just tried to be successful in the space rather than aimed or tried to topple.

Down that path lies poorly form idea's and bad concepts rushed into production to be "as big". As is they may be aiming either too high or too narrow (the volume of and some of the rebel unit choices) to be good long term ( as much as we want to see a lot of choice asap).

They aren’t going to topple 40k, and unless they have gone utterly batshit mental 5ey won’t for a second believe that they might.

Theres tons of room in that market for more than one game.

Meh late wave IA is legion scale as far as I’m concerned with what I have seen. Just put a normal 25mm base under your IA and vola its legion!

True. “IA scale”is a misnomer anyway, as it’s not even consistently scaled within its own rage. Late wave IA stuff really might fit ok once you put a Legion base on.

11 hours ago, Norsehound said:

I can accomplish what Legion does in IA by laying out a grid map with random terrain and using a bunch of infantry figures/packs. It's not supported by official play, but it does what Legion purports to do: Infantry groups fighting other infantry groups with character interactions. Instead of building an entirely new product FFG could have released a rules PDF with custom rules to support this scope.

Instead they spent resources re-making Imperial Assault to compete with 40K.

Let's just hope they succeed at toppling 40K... FFG has superior game mechanics and scores a lot higher for usability than 40K does. Ditching tables is going to be a massive boon by comparison. Let's hope they succeed?

Except it wouldn't attract the old time miniature gamer/hobbiest which is the market they are trying to break into.

It also doesn't have to come even close to toppling 40K. As stated, there is plenty of market space for them to coexist with other systems. With the scale and scope, they really only have to worry about competing with 40K, maybe AoS, and Warmachine/Hordes. Most of the other systems such as Infinity, Malifux, and Guildball are more small model count skirmish games. I know many people that just aren't interested in smaller model count systems. It will also pull in some of the 40K crowd that continue to go to GenCon, a convention that GW seems to ignore beyond having a store in the vendor area. Trust me, there is plenty of space in the miniature game area for a few rows of tables dedicated to Legion.

As far as people wanting a system more oriented towards the scale of Flames of War with AT-ATs walking around, give them time. I wouldn't be surprised to see an announcement in the next year or so about a smaller scale, massive fleet system to follow up Armada and then it will only be a couple of years for the massive battle system to follow for the ground crowd.

The IA miniatures, while nice, aren't nice enough to compete with the 40k miniatures. FFG had to take those miniatures a step up to compete. They are still short and won't be toppling anything but they will have a successful game.

@Norsehound Yeah, you can take game pieces from any game and repurpose them to some other game with a different rule set. There are other SW miniatures out there that can be used as well. Doesn't mean there is a successful game there let alone business.