Ok. I have seen a lot of stuff saying t The Last Jedi was bad, but both my brother and friend of mine have said it's great. II haven't seen the movie yet, but the questions been rackin' my brain recently. So, WITHOUT SPOILING ANYTHING!!!!! , can some explain the hate?

Some people are upset the story didn’t go the way they wanted.

Some people are upset characters were not developed the way they wanted.

Some people are upset the movie has more overt comedy than any other Star Wars.

I think that sums up most of the spoiler-laced hate I’ve read.

I’m not saying the movie doesn’t have issues. It has some glaring flaws, and I loved it. It wouldn’t be Star Wars if it was perfect.

No... you pretty much need to see it and make up your own mind.

It is both awesome and terrible. I found the awesome bits outweighed the terrible; others feel the other way.

Which camp you will end up in, will probably depend on how the film as a whole makes you feel.

About halfway in there is a scene.

I won't say what it is, but you'll know it when you see it.

It almost ruined the movie for me.

Essentially you sit there for two and a half hours watching the setting not change in any meaningful way.

Then you leave thinking "it was okay but just a remake of empire"

People have no problem with technical side of the movie, script on the other hand is pretty much the worst in the entire series.

Attempts at humor are cringeworthy (there even is "your mama" joke in it, no kidding) and ofter come at wrong times, ruining the mood of serious scenes. A lot of things happen only because plot needs to happen, characters do stupid things only to create artificial conflict between them, plot points from previous movie get dropped with little to no conclusions.

Hard to talk about the issues with TLJ without spoiling anything. For me, if you like blockbusters like Transformers or Marvel movies, then sure you will like it. But if you are looking for a movie that has some substance in it and a plot that makes sense, then you are going to be massively dissapointed with it.

Sorry there's two places where the CGI is shockingly bad the first is someone on a rock, the second is two someone's riding a non stationary thing.

It really is just something you'll have to decide for yourself.

So many moments are good. Really good. Mostly visually,but some very well executed character moments.

But it's just.. moments. It's enough I guess that I walked out liking it overall.

And I'm not mad, just kind of disappointed.

The tone of TFA does not carry into TLJ. It is a jarring disconnect, and creates the issues @jmswood stated.

I feel like none of the characters are who they were in the first film. It's like they had their personalities removed, leaving only a few broad bullet point character traits, then whole new personalities were inserted instead.

TFA didn't flesh out the background of the key characters properly so we expected TLJ to develop them further. Unfortunately, the character development arcs went tangentially to what fans generally expected/preferred/guessed.

The director and writers did their best to introduce some "originality" into the movie but were probably hamstrung by what the studio wanted (a revival of the Star Wars universe).

Despite be torn apart by the conflicting demands of the studio and fan expectations, the movie turned out alright and is great way to spend 2.5hrs.

This is really the best I could describe the movie without spoilers...

Oh spoiler alert, in a flashback scene, JJB accidentally killed himself by activating a lightsaber after saying "Mesa is the last jedi!".

For me... (I despised it)

Don't expect any consistency with the rest of the Star Wars universe.

Characters have been completely rewritten from scratch.

The Game of Thrones has had a huge influence. Which should he good, but here was frustrating as the time frame is limited.

It felt like a parody.

To break down the issues that I've seen:

Some people take issues with plot holes or things not necessarily behaving the way they do in the real world. My issue is with this complaint is that it could easily be levelled across basically any movie in the franchise. It's very much a "future fantasy" as opposed to sci fi setting, so some things will be in there for cool visuals and some things will happen because the plot demands it (In ANH the empire somehow planning that the Millenium Falcon would escape while shooting at it the whole time or in ESB how the Millenium Falcon gets beaten to Bespin by the Empire despite it being the fastest ship in the galaxy and having a head start). I have hard time reading these without just seeing them as rose colored goggles syndrome, since we're willing to accept the OT as classics despite some similar flaws, but will readily rag on a new movie for having some of the same problems.

I've seen some complaints about the lack of story movement. This one is also interesting to break down because the heroes and even villains are always moving towards something, it just doesn't always pan out for either side. I think this is where people write off parts of the story as being pointless when they're anything but. Journey and not destination and all that. This also prompts some criticism of the characters for not developing when you can mark clear scenes in the movie where a given character realizes that they can't do something or that no matter what they do it simply won't work and that they have to move on. To borrow a quote from the movie "This isn't going to end how you think it will".

The complaints about the dialogue and script are matters of personal preference...except when you say it's the worst in the series when we have gems like "I have the high ground" and "I hate sand". The writing is objectively better than the prequels (even though that's not a high bar), but how much or little you like it will definitely be a personal thing. For me, the writing was fine. There were some oddball lines, but the scenes with Rey/Kylo and Rey/Luke were well written.

At the end of the day, see it for yourself. As someone who can go back and appreciate the OT despite its flaws (even RoTJ although that one is rough), I thought it was good and some of my family are going to see it again shortly after Christmas, so I'll get to test my theory that it only gets better on repeat viewings.

I think the best non-spoiler filled reasoning of why people don't like TLJ can be summed up by @FTS Gecko from the spoiler'ish megathread:

On 12/19/2017 at 4:40 AM, FTS Gecko said:

Rian Johnston during pre-filming research phase:

Understand that there is a balance - for all the people who hate the movie right now, there are a lot of people who loved the movie and disagree on most of these reasons.

For example, I completely disagree that characters were rewritten. I thought faults were exposed, certainly, but they're the same characters from TFA or the OT.

It is not a perfect movie, certainly, but you should see it for yourself and make your decision from that.

50 minutes ago, Revanxv said:

Hard to talk about the issues with TLJ without spoiling anything. For me, if you like blockbusters like Transformers or Marvel movies, then sure you will like it. But if you are looking for a movie that has some substance in it and a plot that makes sense, then you are going to be massively dissapointed with it.

The funny thing is I love the MCU movies but that kind of humor does not fit Star Wars. It is okay for something that doesn't take itself so serious like the Marvel films but Star Wars has sort of always taken itself more serious or at the very this kind of humor wasn't in prior films. I felt that TFA already had too much of this kind of humor but TLJ turns it up to 11, it really makes the new Star Wars films feel very 2010s rather than timeless like the originals.

10 minutes ago, tangoraven said:

The director and writers did their best to introduce some "originality" into the movie but were probably hamstrung by what the studio wanted (a revival of the Star Wars universe).

Rian Johnson was the director and writer, and from the interviews he has pretty much said that he wasn't given any specifics on what he had to do and was given all the freedom to do as he wished. So unless he is lying then that makes this very much his baby and can give some insight into the kind of trilogy he might make if Disney still has him make that despite the backlash to this film.

1 hour ago, sf1raptor said:

Ok. I have seen a lot of stuff saying t The Last Jedi was bad, but both my brother and friend of mine have said it's great. II haven't seen the movie yet, but the questions been rackin' my brain recently. So, WITHOUT SPOILING ANYTHING!!!!! , can some explain the hate?

If you were unhappy that they threw out the EU you'll be unhappy that characters in this story are human, with human qualities and failings, and not everyone is connected to everything.
I thought it made for a more compelling narrative, but it does mean some mysteries will have more mundane answers.

It was a gorgeous film, beautifully shot, unfortunately the plot is paper-thin and it takes extreme liberties with the existing Star Wars universe and it's characters.

There is little pay off to this gorgeousness, and the lack of story depth leads to a pretty hollow and empty experience.

I was entertained by it when I watched it, I enjoyed the humour, but left the cinema feeling deflated and devoid of any particular interest in the series moving forward.

Missed opportunities.

It ended up being my least favorite Star Wars movie overall, which is funny because it also has the best single scene in the whole series for me. I think it's going to end up being incredibly polarized between people because of its inconsistency both within itself and with the rest of the series. Most have already said what I'd agree with, but my personal qualm is that it's even less grounded in the universe than TFA, and that hardly was. If it wasn't a numbered Saga film there would probably be less criticism of it overall I think. Also there's huge directorial differences between JJ and Rian, and I fear that the entire sequel trilogy is going to end up being once giant spat between the two directors.

Almost everyone that claims to be a hardcore Star Wars fan who loved Rogue One will hate TLJ, and there is no apparent reason why this correlation is true.

9 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

Almost everyone that claims to be a hardcore Star Wars fan who loved Rogue One will hate TLJ, and there is no apparent reason why this correlation is true.

Because they're adults who enjoyed a movie made for them instead of the other one made for kids that threw out all their fan theories?

It's a polarizing movie because it's a rollercoaster ride from some of the coolest SW you've ever seen to some of the outright worst, rivaling the prequels

Trying to explain how much the movie leaps from one extreme to another is impossible without spoiling all the insanity that goes on

Just now, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

Because they're adults who enjoyed a movie made for them instead of the other one made for kids that threw out all their fan theories?

Yet these adults don’t realize how bad of a movie R1 is, especially since it was made purely for fan service with a garbage plot to sell toys to their children. I really don’t understand why people will hate TLJ and can’t even admit that R1 was horribly flawed and poorly written.

I thought it was great, and I saw TESB at the cinemas in the 70's. Yeah, it's not perfect, and it has more humour than we are used to, but I enjoyed it rather than getting worked up about it.