Why do people hate TLJ? (Spoilers)

By Celestial Lizards, in X-Wing

3 minutes ago, spacelion said:

Guys how did Rose manage to accelerate faster than Finn and knock him off course?

Flying into a laser slows you down.

4 minutes ago, spacelion said:

Guys how did Rose manage to accelerate faster than Finn and knock him off course?

she took a shortcut

His speeder had a bad engine.

How did Luke know that R2-D2 was going to be turned into a waiter on Jabba’s Droid?

1 hour ago, Hobojebus said:

So stinking with the three rules are we, okay.

What does this even mean?

1 hour ago, spacelion said:

Guys how did Rose manage to accelerate faster than Finn and knock him off course?

Finally, someone willing to ask the tough questions!

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

(Don't know why you wouldn't try to hyperspace projectiles though, but then again even dreadnaughts seem to be made of paper so maybe it isn't necessary)

A round object that can do all that? Somewhere Palpatine is closing his eyes in ecstasy.

12 hours ago, spacelion said:

Guys how did Rose manage to accelerate faster than Finn and knock him off course?

Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."

Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.

1 hour ago, Halyn said:

Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."

Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.

I don't think it its a great message by any means. It putting your own romantic feelings before other people's lives. To make it even worse, you're stopping the one you love from saving those people. It's selfishness, pure and simple.

Children should be tought responsibility and reason.

Edited by Captain Nippon

I'm late to the game, but I'll chip in as one of the seemingly rare 'on-the-fence' people.

Rey/Luke/Kylo was great. Luke was an interesting departure from RotJ. I had no difficulty believing that the character we knew had been deeply disturbed and changed by what had happened with Kylo. More importantly, he was an excellent thruway for the interplay between Rey and Kylo. I was really interested in the growth of the two chief characters and they never let me down as the movie went on. The throne room scene and fight in particular was incredible, even if it felt like the storytellers threw away Snoke somewhat carelessly.

In stark contrast, the other half of the movie was a disaster. In the face of overwhelming incompetence I completely stopped caring about characters I once was excited about. When Poe seemingly died on Jakku, I felt something. In this movie, the closest thing he made to an intelligent decision was 'let's follow the ice foxes, they must know the way.' Finn was possibly my favourite character from TFA. By the end of TLJ I shrugged my shoulders 'oh, ok' when Rose deflected him from the cannon. There were some glimmers: DJ was a fun character and I felt the hopelessness of the escaping transports being picked off. But unless Rey, Luke or Kylo was involved I was largely reduced to passivity, watching the Resistance fail without feeling. When Leia was shocked that no one was responding to their distress call near the end, I thought 'no wonder'.

The movie ended in a good place. The Resistance, whatever that was, is gone. We're left with a solid skeleton crew: a really interesting bad guy, a really interesting good guy, and I think they can make Poe and Finn compelling again. So I guess I sorta loved it, sorta hated it.

19 minutes ago, Captain Nippon said:

I don't think it its a great message by any means. It putting your own romantic feelings before other people's lives. To make it even worse, you're stopping the one you love from saving those people. It's selfishness, pure and simple.

Children should be tought responsibility and reason.

...Apparently my sarcasm didn't come through. Sorry about that.

Just now, Halyn said:

...Apparently my sarcasm didn't come through. Sorry about that.

The wonders of the internet. My bad :)

2 hours ago, Halyn said:

Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."

Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.

Rose is the worst

2 hours ago, Halyn said:

Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."

Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.

Poe says it's too late to stop the cannon cracking the base door open before they break off. It's a parallel to the dreadnaught raid earlier.

Finn was sacrificing himself to at best take out one battering ram after it had already done the damage it needed to and at worse throwing it away for nothing at all.

Edited by Firespray-32
1 hour ago, YourHucklebrry said:

...a really interesting good guy...

Yeah, I was glad Nien Numb made it as well.

15 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

How did Luke know that R2-D2 was going to be turned into a waiter on Jabba’s Droid?

Foresee

3 hours ago, Halyn said:

Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."

Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.

With all these really emotional and aggressive claims about "mistakes" of the movie, which can usually disputed by simply quoting someone from the movie … I think the central message of the movie is: Kids take your Ritalin, because your attention span is way too low to watch an actual simply star wars movie.

Edited by SEApocalypse
15 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Yeah, I was glad Nien Numb made it as well.

And Ello Asty!

1 minute ago, Gilarius said:

And Ello Asty!

Considering we watched him explode in episode 7, I doubt he made it...

Just now, The Penguin UK said:

Considering we watched him explode in episode 7, I doubt he made it...

He didn't just explode. His ship exploded, and then crashed into a trench on a hostile planet which also exploded.

His body is basically quarks.

18 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

He didn't just explode. His ship exploded, and then crashed into a trench on a hostile planet which also exploded.

His body is basically quarks.

Oh noes!

Then, who is the horse-faced dude who supports Poe's mutiny?

Just now, Gilarius said:

Oh noes!

Then, who is the horse-faced dude who supports Poe's mutiny?

Mello Masty.

No relation.

I have no idea

I believe he's called Slowen Lo because apparently that entire species is named in honour of the Beastie Boys.

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I believe he's called Slowen Lo because apparently that entire species is named in honour of the Beastie Boys.

I would 100% believe this had JJ done the 2nd movie, but how is Rian continuing JJ Abrams' obsession with the Beastie Boys while taking a flamethrower to every other idea he had?

Like, of all the things to keep, he chose that?

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23 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

He didn't just explode. His ship exploded, and then crashed into a trench on a hostile planet which also exploded.

His body is basically quarks.

I choose to believe that Ello is immortal. Contrary to popular opinion, Hondo didn't use a stun blast to put down the mutiny, she killed Ello.....AGAIN.