3 minutes ago, Sekac said:I choose to believe that Ello is immortal. Contrary to popular opinion, Hondo didn't use a stun blast to put down the mutiny, she killed Ello.....AGAIN.
He's going to show up in the next movie wearing a fake mustache... or whatever their species equivalent.
20 minutes ago, Gilarius said:Oh noes!
Then, who is the horse-faced dude who supports Poe's mutiny?
7 minutes ago, kris40k said:He's going to show up in the next movie wearing a fake mustache... or whatever their species equivalent.
3 hours ago, Halyn said:Because the message for kids is "love is worth sacrificing other people's lives for."
Seriously, stop and think about it for a moment. Rose was willing to let everyone else die to save Finn. That's a great message.
I think I've seen this criticism a lot, and I think that a lot of people misunderstood that scene (because it wasn't done as well as it could've been). But I actually think that the real reason this scene happened was that Finn was stuck. His ship was caught in the jetstream of the superlaser and he decided to die with dignity. I think that moment when the guns on his ship melted, he realized it wasn't going to work, but by then his ship was already so badly damaged that the mono-ski couldn't do anything to steer the ship. The scene looks stupid, but nothing bad came of it - I'm pretty sure no more members of the Resistance died after that point anyway, because only a complete idiot would have been standing right behind that door.
2 minutes ago, The Penguin UK said:
That's a useful link...and it says that it was the same costume as used for Ello (at least in TFA, anyway), so I think I'm allowed to be confused and miss-identify him! (That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.)
He'll always be Ello to me...(if only because there's no way I'll remember the other guy's name unless FFG makes a pilot card for him!)
13 minutes ago, Gilarius said:That's a useful link...and it says that it was the same costume as used for Ello (at least in TFA, anyway), so I think I'm allowed to be confused and miss-identify him! (That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it.)
He'll always be Ello to me...(if only because there's no way I'll remember the other guy's name unless FFG makes a pilot card for him!)
Quote...where actor Paul Kasey appeared wearing the costume of Ello Asty in one of the final scenes of the movie.[6] As Asty's death had been shown earlier in the film,[3]Lucasfilm Story Group member Pablo Hidalgo stated that the Abednedo seen waving off the Falcon in that scene must be a separate pilot....
Ok, so I wasn't crazy for thinking Ello lived after Starkiller base cause he was there afterwards, I just missed his death during the battle.
Edited by kris40kI guess it's racist to say that all Abednedo look alike...
30 minutes ago, Kieransi said:I think I've seen this criticism a lot, and I think that a lot of people misunderstood that scene (because it wasn't done as well as it could've been). But I actually think
... let me just stop you there. If most people took it as Finn finally doing something useful, then what you think the scene meant isn't really relevant to them. Even if that's what the scene was meant to portray, there's no evidence for it. And if it is meant to be that, then Finn just loses the one scene that made him not useless. So your (admittedly non-)argument only serves to bring Finn's characterisation down, I don't think you're on a winner.
18 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:... let me just stop you there. If most people took it as Finn finally doing something useful, then what you think the scene meant isn't really relevant to them. Even if that's what the scene was meant to portray, there's no evidence for it. And if it is meant to be that, then Finn just loses the one scene that made him not useless. So your (admittedly non-)argument only serves to bring Finn's characterisation down, I don't think you're on a winner.
I doubt most people took it as that
See, when you have a "heroic sacrifice" a scant few minutes after a heroic sacrifice, it becomes less "useful" and more "repetitive and annoying"
It'd also be really stupid and straight up admitting "well we don't know what to do with Finn so might as well kill him off here"
The scene was neither good nor necessary imo (he could've just been the last one to pull out) but thinking things would've been any better had he sacrificed himself is silly
Poor Finn is a block of wasted potential
Edited by ficklegreendiceKnow what would of made more sense luke turning up saving finn then facing off against kylo, the door being breached made no difference in the end at all did it.
38 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:... let me just stop you there. If most people took it as Finn finally doing something useful, then what you think the scene meant isn't really relevant to them. Even if that's what the scene was meant to portray, there's no evidence for it. And if it is meant to be that, then Finn just loses the one scene that made him not useless. So your (admittedly non-)argument only serves to bring Finn's characterisation down, I don't think you're on a winner.
I mean, by that same logic, I shouldn't have to listen to you either because how you interpreted the scene isn't relevant to me.
That's kind of the point of even discussing the movie, is that you have to be able to actually listen to how other people interpreted stuff.
3 minutes ago, Kieransi said:I mean, by that same logic, I shouldn't have to listen to you either because how you interpreted the scene isn't relevant to me.
Correct. There is hope for you.
25 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:I doubt most people took it as that
I can only say that everyone I went with took it as that. As have most people I've talked to in person. This thread is the first time I have heard any other interpretation of it.
6 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:Know what would of made more sense luke turning up saving finn then facing off against kylo, the door being breached made no difference in the end at all did it.
That also wouldn't have made sense.
The whole theme of the movie is failure being used as a teacher. Rey fails to bring Luke back to the Resistance, or to turn Ben from the Dark Side. Finn fails to recruit the right slicer, and later fails to deactivate the tracker. Poe fails in his attempted mutiny. Yoda outright tells Luke that it's as important to pass on their failures as it is their successes. You keep trying and failing until you finally succeed.
Lord knows I've failed to win plenty of X-Wing tourneys before I finally won one.
22 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:...the door being breached made no difference in the end at all did it.
The whole theme of the movie is "**** you I won't do what you tell me".
2 hours ago, gjnido said:I guess it's racist to say that all Abednedo look alike...
It's actually not even racist if you say this about unfamiliar human faces. Face recognition is something that needs training. It becomes racist if you mean it literally instead as based on your subjective perception. Now if you are living in a diverse society it still begs the question why your brain is not trained and suggest a lack of contact with … Abednedo people. 
4 hours ago, Gilarius said:And Ello Asty!
Nope, no Ello. Probably no Snap or Jess either, but that doesn't matter really because all the T-70s are gone as well.
1 hour ago, FTS Gecko said:Nope, no Ello. Probably no Snap or Jess either, but that doesn't matter really because all the T-70s are gone as well.
And all the t-85's.
4 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:Nope, no Ello. Probably no Snap or Jess either, but that doesn't matter really because all the T-70s are gone as well.
Well, as pointed out by DJ, someone on Canto Bite was supplying T-70's to the Resistance, so the manufacturer and supplier of T-70's is still around. The Resistance's current fleet is just a little bit ... under stock? 
Hey, 'member on Galactic Battlegrounds how they had a 'laser battering ram' for the Empire and Republic as their siege machine? Think that was grand coincidence or did a writer or CGI guy play GB as a kid and we juuuuuuuust dodge the TIE Punisher being made canon?
Edited by flyboymb9 minutes ago, flyboymb said:Hey, 'member on Galactic Battlegrounds how they had a 'laser battering ram' for the Empire and Republic as their siege machine? Think that was grand coincidence or did a writer or CGI guy play GB as a kid and we juuuuuuuust dodge the TIE Punisher being made canon?
But tie punishes are cool. A first order tie punisher would be cool too. Before you say no check the repaint forum for someone who painted one.
9 hours ago, gjnido said:I guess it's racist to say that all Abednedo look alike...
It's not racist if they're a different species
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Please tell me, because I honestly want to know: why do so many people hate such an amazing movie?
I do not hate it, but it was poorly written.
Some people seem to obsess about the details but from an overall storytelling perspective it was poorly executed.
On 23/12/2017 at 11:42 AM, Celestial Lizards said:Ok, I just read about a petition to remove TLJ from canon. How ridiculous is that? But it made me think: "why do people hate this movie so much?"
Some things I get: Canto Bight and the Leia scene.
But how can you dislike Holdo ramming the Supremacy (there's a theory that she didnt actually ram it, but Luke's saber splitting apart tore up the ships)? That was visually impressive and just a great scene!
This video sort explained it:
Please tell me, because I honestly want to know: why do so many people hate such an amazing movie?
Removing it from canon is ludicrous. That's just fanboy lunacy.
However the film is just not good. It's a mediocre film, with a billion dollars of Disney glitz and hype to cover the poorly structured and overlong mess of a film that was made.