No offense but I hope a lot of expensive and or staple cards such as Darth Vader, Sith Holocron and Holdout Blaster get reprinted in future sets once the rot that is rotation sets in with this game.
I don't want to see them phase out.
The decipher CCG didn't have rotation. You could keep something like a Hunt Down and Destroy The Jedi deck and update it with new cards to keep up with newer metas.
Edited by Shadow345rotation is a must to keep a fair envirment
Without rotation the standard game would turn into an utter mess.
Theres always the unlimited(forget its name?) format for those who want to keep all the cards going.
On 12/21/2017 at 10:39 PM, Shadow345 said:No offense but I hope a lot of expensive and or staple cards such as Darth Vader, Sith Holocron and Holdout Blaster get reprinted in future sets once the rot that is rotation sets in with this game.
I don't want to see them phase out.
The decipher CCG didn't have rotation. You could keep something like a Hunt Down and Destroy The Jedi deck and update it with new cards to keep up with newer metas.
Reprinting those cards would defeat the purpose of rotation. It's the staple cards that need to be rotated out, otherwise they just remain the staples.
On 12/21/2017 at 9:23 PM, GamerGuy1984 said:The game is selling well but it isnt growing technically. You have the people who have bought into it and play but there hasnt been a lot of player growth. Meaning they may be printing more boosters than ever, they underprinted before so printing more isnt really growing its catching up to your demand, but its the same number or maybe slighty more to slightly less buying them.
Just to give numbers to the example, disclaimer yes these are all pulled from my *** for illistration purposes. Lets say they printed 25 Million boxes of Awakenings and 10 Million people bought in. Now they are printing 35 Million boxes of Awakenings and there are lets say 8 - 14 Million players now. FFGs sales grew by more than 50% over the original launch sales but they only grew the player base by maybe 40%, or possibly the player base shrunk by 20% because of the initial issues.
Point being you want to grow your player base. Yes for a while you can grow a games sales on the people already playing. But without new people to be excited to get in the veteran players will grow bored sooner or later and then your game enters a death spiral which will lead however long it takes to its demise sooner or later.
What are you basing the game not growing on specifically?
They will probably reintroduce old characters with new mechanics when they rotate out.
Actually the whole point of rotation is to keep the card pool small so the game can be balanced and new people can buy into it easier. Staples tend to get reprinted. They just reprinted some "staples" in netrunner with the core 2.0 set. Some of the extreme staples however were purposely not reprinted. So yes, we can expect to see some reprints - we already have. I don't see the infinity format really being much of a thing, this game isn't big enough for that, so I don't see prices of out of rotation cards being a big motivator for reprints like it is in magic. However I wouldn't go investing into those cards, FFG has no reserve list and can reprint what ever, when ever.
On 12/23/2017 at 2:46 PM, ScottieATF said:Reprinting those cards would defeat the purpose of rotation. It's the staple cards that need to be rotated out, otherwise they just remain the staples.
a lot of games reprint old cards back in rotation
2 hours ago, soviet prince said:a lot of games reprint old cards back in rotation
All of them? What's the point then?
On 12/23/2017 at 2:46 PM, ScottieATF said:Reprinting those cards would defeat the purpose of rotation. It's the staple cards that need to be rotated out, otherwise they just remain the staples.
the point is to keep card pool small
Edited by soviet prince9 hours ago, soviet prince said:the point is to keep player pool small
I'm going to assume you mean card pool not player pool since that makes no sense.
But that still isn't accurate. Keeping the card pool smaller then infinite is a facet of rotation, but it's not the point of it.
Keeping your card pool smaller helps opens up your design space, but if your just reprint your auto-include options you're not getting anywhere. You want cards like Holocron to rotate out so you can stop designing with them in mind, and so that you don't have to resort to naked power creep to get people to try something else.
I never said games dont reprint cards. Games reprint cards, but they aren't reprinting meta defining staples right away (if ever). As I said that defeats the purpose of rotation. You'll see MtG reprint Lightning Bolt ever other set and while that is quintessential MtG Red, its never meta defining. Pokemon reprints Ultra Ball because it's a basic thing you need in the game, it would he akin to Destiny reprinting certain always used removal because you always need removal available. But at the same time they let other actual meta impacting stuff rotate out because they want the game to shift with rotation. They didn't just reprint VS Seeker despite every player investing in it (and it being expensive), because doing so would leave the environment stale. Same reason you won't see Destiny reprint Holocron right away if ever.
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On 12/23/2017 at 8:16 PM, Mep said:Actually the whole point of rotation is to keep the card pool small so the game can be balanced and new people can buy into it easier. Staples tend to get reprinted. They just reprinted some "staples" in netrunner with the core 2.0 set. Some of the extreme staples however were purposely not reprinted. So yes, we can expect to see some reprints - we already have. I don't see the infinity format really being much of a thing, this game isn't big enough for that, so I don't see prices of out of rotation cards being a big motivator for reprints like it is in magic. However I wouldn't go investing into those cards, FFG has no reserve list and can reprint what ever, when ever.
Read above. Keeping the card pool small doesn't help you balance the game if you keep reprinting the meta defining cards. If you don't let big money meta defining staples rotate out you are hobbling your rotation format.
The type of staples you're referencing is stuff like He Doesn't Like You or Guard, which isn't the stuff the post I was responding to was referencing.
19 hours ago, ScottieATF said:Read above. Keeping the card pool small doesn't help you balance the game if you keep reprinting the meta defining cards. If you don't let big money meta defining staples rotate out you are hobbling your rotation format.
The type of staples you're referencing is stuff like He Doesn't Like You or Guard, which isn't the stuff the post I was responding to was referencing.
Fair enough. There are only so many ways to do removal so I expect to see reprints of many cards while seeing those Lightning Bolts every once in a great while. I don't expect an insta-reprint of Holocron right away either. I do expect blue resource cheats to still be a thing in some form. FFG does have a thing for functional reprints.
I also imagine some cards will just go away. Force Speed comes to mind.