Mjoellnir said:

There's nothing wrong with Squats persay, other than a few die-hard fanatic players who won't shut up about them and ruin it for everybody by thinking it's funny at Games Days to always ask "When are Squats coming back?" or "Why'd you kill the Squats!".

To give you a brief experience: I went to Games Days 2001-2004. Every year, the same mouthbreather held up the Q&A sessions with the studio staff by asking that crap. And he always somehow managed to be the first one to ask a question, and set the tone of the whole Q&A...by pissing off the studio staff with an unfunny "inside joke" that belonged on the official Games Workshop/Specialist Games forums.

But anyways, they're slowly bringing a Dwarven-esque race into 40k via the Demiurg.A high technology/master craftsman race that consists of tightly knit clans.

And LeBlanc:

You've been shown the evidence. You've seen the quotations from the Horus Heresy novels(which by the way, they're REFUSING any potential changes to the background via that medium. If it says the two missing Primarchs were menthey're men, and you'll deal with it.) You can keep trying to justify female Space Marines, but it's as canon as my homebrew Space Wolves Chapter that rode the Emperor as a surfboard.

Kanluwen said:

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First, what part of "I concede" do you not understand.

Second, telling me to deal with it is "HIGH-larious". I can do whatever I want in my campaign world.

Third, I'm pretty sure the Space Wolves did ride the emperor as a surfboard.

LeBlanc13 said:

I'd just like to point out right here that posts like this are why forums that don't use emoticons are infinitely more mature that ones with emoticons.

Yanma said:

Read my edit. I elaborated a little.

C'mon, you can't tell me it isn't fun to tweek someone that's telling me "I HAVE to accept something."

I'll admit that was a bit trollish, but that's why I went back to elaborate in the edit.

LeBlanc13 said:

You really have to learn what a "retcon" is. The moment the first female Space Marine appears in an official source the old statement about gene-seed would be retconned. As long as there are only male Space Marines the old information remains valid.

And nobody wants to live in a "male dominated space marine world". It's just a fact in the setting. Just like in D&D Dragons can procreate with almost anything and the children will have dragon breath and wings or that in the DC Universe a Kryptonian under a yellow sun gets super powers (the first edition of Superman was different <= retcon). I find it rather annoying that there's no good miniature of a female in power armour that's easy to modify. But that's life.

@ Kanluwen

Ah, okay. That's something I can understand. I don't get, if they like Squats why not use their miniatures (or convert dwarfs) and use the rules of the Imperial army?

My original post was fairly helpful to the OP, imho, but man, talk about people latching on to only one aspect of what I said and digging in.

My original post mentioned having a Female Inquisitor be a part of the group, but then I dared to mention female space marines and that's what everyone latches onto.

Back to the OP. Do what you want. If you choose to allow female space marines in your game, go for it.

If you want to stick to other editions statements about male only marines, go with that too.

Don't say no just because the game or other posters say you can't. You should be flexible about it and work with your player player base to make it fun for everyone.

Mjoellnir said:

Well, most of the Squat players who aren't loons who refuse to accept that things have changed and it's time to move on do use them as stand-ins for Imperial Guard(or one of the funnier ones was the "SquatWing" a few years back of Exo-Armored Squats standing in for Deathwing). Others feel that they shouldn't be "forced to play an army that doesn't exist and everyone else should suck it up".

Interestingly, this illustration from the original Rogue Trader rule book depicts what appears to be a female space marine. It may represent a member of a female chapter that was never developed, or what eventually became the Sororitas.

Sister Sin is what ended up becoming the base idea for the Adepta Sororitas indeed. As usual, however, all Rogue Trader era stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt, as the background was barely defined back then.

Hey! You don't remeber a thing: Space Marine are created by the Emperor, and He used His genetic material! The Emperor is a male, then the Astarten can be only male! Stop! This is BG and no one can't say other... So this is the tecnical impediment to Female Astartes!

Ah, for some chapter the Marine is a man, for the Space Wolves they can have concubine...

leonurgle said:

Eloquently put... hear! hear!

I do have to state though that modern medicine can change the sex of a child right now. I'm pretty sure 28,000 years from now, the Emperor could do the same thing when creating marines from his own genetic material.

Not trying to start the argument back up.... Just sayin!

Everyone else has clearly put me in my place that marines can only be males.

N0-1_H3r3 said:

I wasn't ignoring canon; I wasn't aware that the "Lost Primarchs" had actually been listed as having been male. As far as I had read ( and I do read as much of the books as I can), they had never been discussed.

Having said that, I do agree with you.

LeBlanc13 said:

I'm on your side, but for the most part I'm staying out of this, especially as I have a large Epic Squat army which apparently is also to be scoffed at by the purists. Plus, I'm just about out of popcorn...

Kanluwen said:

So if we consider Black Library publications canon, Space Marines totally dig multilasers, Khorne has no problem with sorcerers, D-Cannons fire bullets, Sister of Battle plasma pistols splinter wood and cause blood spray, an Imperial Guardsmen can defeat multiple orks in melee, etc

It doesn't hold up. I'm not saying there are female space marines or that female space marines are/would be canon, but you're getting worked up over a game entirely about playing pretend.

LeBlanc13 said:

Hi hi! ^^

The science fcts don't work with 40k...

The main battle tank of Imperial Guard, Leman Russ is a ICE, steam convertible like the WWII Tanks, in year 40.000! ^^

Torbal said:

See, you're misunderstanding the Squat thing there.

Nobody has a problem with Squats, persay. A lot of people have a problem with how some of the Squat diehard players act. It's the same problem that crops up when dealing with Marine players who insist that everything Marine should instakill everyone everytime.

@Artemisia

Notice:

The Imperial Army and the Adeptus Astartes were quite enmeshed back during the Horus Heresy. Some of the Legions actually had their own attached Expeditionary Armies.

And as for the multilasers...I said it best in another thread:

C.S. Goto is a blight upon the Black Library, much like unpainted models in megabattles planned months in advance and the win at all cost tournament players.

Thankfully, Goto has been let go and was never let anywhere near the events of the Horus Heresy.

This discussion is old as it is tiresome....if you like the background story ..great...if you want to do your own female marines - i dont care bout background than fine...but please stop crying

Attila-IV said:

I assume you do not own / have not read the original Rogue Trader rule book?

I happen to own it and the caption story attached to that very same image is the first fluff source which names Adepta Sororitas as organization and tells that their duty is to defend the Empire against all sorts of Heresy up to and including killing any Space Marines who step out of line. In fact the whole illustration shows the sisters bolter shot hitting a Space Marine on the left.

Kanluwen said:

Really? Really!?! When was this announced?? Hallelujah! Praise the Emperor!

Complaining that the game doesn't "support" playing a female Space Marine is like complaining that Low Life, a game where you play a worm or cockroach, doesn't allow you to play a human or that Shaolin Squirrels doesn't let you play a raccoon. Those concepts just aren't supported by their respective settings. Arguments looking to older material for support of their preferred vision of the setting is like looking at Realms of Chaos's "magic items" table that had 40k gear like power swords and plasma guns on it for use with WFRP and complaining that FFGs version doesn't let you take power armor. Deathwatch is its own game with its own (GW approved) version of the 40k setting. It is no more bound to statements made in the original W40k Rogue Trader book than nWFRP is to the the original version of WFRP, let alone the wargame in any of its editions.

Really?

The game isn't out for another 5 months, there's been no specific detail on what you can and can't play as a PC, and its a fictional setting where the bulk of the characters in this capacity (marines) are males (sororitas aside).

And THIS is the discussion that's already at 8 pages? Whether there wiill/won't be fictional female characters?

Really?

leonurgle said:

His genetic material would include an X and Y chromosome, assuming he was genetically human. Women are XX. If he's using technology capable of creating super-godlike-clones-of-awesomeness, he's capable of doubling his Xs to make a woman.

If He weren't a misogynist pig, that is.

(I honestly don't care as I suck at playing female characters anyway, I'm just pointing out a little flawed logic)

The Emperor is never really considered to be human, as far as I remember. He's supposed to be the physical manifestation of the Warp presence of some of the most powerful shamans from Terra.

So he could magically change it instead of scientifically.

Such things have no meaning when you're the Emperor!

I think it stands to reason, that he made the Astartes men the same reason why most Western armies are having such a hard time with females in frontline combat.

He didn't want to mix the genders of his supersoldiers or potentially allow for too much of a chance of the cavalier side of human nature(aka: damsel in distress) to show through. But I might be talking out of my ass and be slightly sleep deprived after three law enforcement exams and a victimology exam.