Help with building the best Poe + YT-1300 (Han or Rey)

By ccjacks3, in X-Wing Squad Lists

I'm trying to build the best possible T-70/YT-1300 combo and from what i've researched (reddit, FFG forums, meta-wing, blogs) here's what I've determined:

  • Poe
    • PS: PS9 or PS8
    • Title: Black One
    • EPT:
      • VI (Raise PS)
      • Adaptability (raise or lower PS)
      • Intensity (Boost or Barrel Roll triggers add a focus or evade, then flip card. Spend focus to re-flip card)
      • Push The Limit (perform additional action, receive stress)
      • Crack Shot (discard card, cancel evade roll)
      • Expertise (focus dice mod)
      • Trick Shot (obstructed dice mod)
      • Snap Shot (range 1, 2 dice attack after an enemy executes maneuver)
      • Lone Wolf (range 3 dice re-roll)
      • Predator (dice re-roll)
    • Tech
      • Advanced Optics (hold focus, very useful with Poe's native ability)
      • Comm Relay (hold evade, very useful with Intensity)
      • Prime Thrusters (stressed boosts/barrel rolls)
      • Pattern Analyzer (perform an action after revealing a red maneuver)
    • Astromech
      • BB-8 (free barrel rolls)
      • R2D2 (regen)
      • Flight Assist Astromech
    • Modification
      • Auto-thrusters
      • Integrated Astromech
    • Torpedos
      • Plasma Torpedos (remove 1 shield token in addition to any damage dealt)
      • Proton Torpedos (flip one focus to crit)
      • Seismic Torpedo

  • Rey
    • PS8
    • Title: Sloop or Evade
    • EPT:
      • VI (Raise PS)
      • Expertise (focus dice mod)
      • Trick Shot (obstructed dice mod)
      • Push the Limit (perform additional action, receive stress)
      • Wired (Stress re-rolls)
    • Crew
      • Finn (blank re-rolls)
      • Kanan (for clearing sloop stress)
      • C-3PO (for extra evade)
      • Lando (action: add additional evade or focus based on dice roll)
      • Hotshot Co-Pilot (focus token mod)
      • Wookie Commandos (re-roll all focus results)
    • Modification
      • Countermeasures (extra agility for one round)
      • Engine Upgrade (adds boost)
      • Shield Upgrade (adds shield)
      • Smuggling Compartment (gives Illicit)
        • Black Market Slicer Tools
        • Burnout Slam (adds single use slam)
        • Inertial Dampeners (adds single use red zero maneuver)
        • Scavenger Crane (recover one used mod or munition card)
    • Missiles
      • Concussion Missiles (4 dice, blank dice mod)
      • Ion Pulse Missiles
      • Harpoon Missiles (THAT META)
  • Han
    • PS9
    • Title: Evade or Sloop
    • EPT
      • VI (Raise PS)
      • Lone Wolf (range 3 dice re-roll)
      • Expertise (focus dice mod)
      • Predator (dice re-roll)
      • Trick Shot (obstructed shot dice mod)
    • Crew...many options for Han
      • C-3PO (for extra evade)
      • Rey (focus token stack)
      • Lando (focus or evade token rolls)
      • Chewbacca (discard damage, recover shield, remove card)
      • R2-D2 (moderate regen: if zero shields, recover one shield at the end of combat. roll attack dice, if hit flip damage card up and resolve it)
      • Gunner (Primary attack 2nd chance)
      • Luke Skywalker (Primary attack 2nd chance)
      • Hotshot Co-Pilot (focus token mod)
      • Inspiring Recruit (stress token removal)
    • Modifications
      • Engine Upgrade (adds boost)
      • Smuggling Compartment (gives Illicit)
        • Inertial Dampeners (adds single use red zero maneuver)
        • Scavenger Crane (recover one used mod or munition card)
    • Missiles
      • Concussion Missiles (4 dice, blank dice mod)
      • Harpoon Missiles (THAT META)
      • Ion Pulse Missiles

So my questions are:

  1. What did I miss? or What would you add?
  2. Which combo of T-70 and YT-1300 seems best for most situations?
    1. Against current meta
    2. Casual Play
    3. Against say... triples defenders???

I know it's a lot but any advice would be helpful! Thanks so much.

Edited by ccjacks3

It depends on your play style. Short sharp spike damage you want Rey, if you play the longer game you want Han. With Rey I’d go Poetensity and primed thrusters with bb8, smack them in the mouth. With Han I’d be more tempted with R2D2, Advanced optics, VI.

I wouldn’t necessarily say either is better against the current meta. Rey probably stands more chance against Defenders.

Id stick to the classic builds. C3p0, Rey, lw, evade title for Han, TFA title, Finn, Kanan, for Rey, with determination or VI over Expertise to save points.

Edited by Estarriol

I find Rey to be a more fun build than Han, though as @Estarriol pointed out, either have their place in the game today.

Here's my list, for what it's worth. If you don't want the strong bid, you can throw on a one or two point illicit with the Smuggling Compartment mod:

Poe Dameron (31)
Intensity (2)
BB-8 (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Rey (45)
Expertise (4)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Finn (5)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Total: 98

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Edited by jwilliamson12

This is my current favorite....

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
BB-8 (2)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Rey (45)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Finn (5)
Kanan Jarrus (3)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Total: 100

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I like @gennataos list. Im more of an r2d2 person though so i would probably drop to ps8 poe for r2d2 and have rey and poe both at ps10.

Or you could thry this out from left field haha

Han (re-roll) (46)

  • PTL (3)
  • Kanan (3)
  • Lando (3)
  • Falcon (evade) (1)
  • EU (4)

Poe (31)

  • Intensity (2)
  • BB-8 (2)
  • Comm relay (3)
  • Black One (1)
  • Intergrated Mech (0)

Total: 99

On Poe you could drop the title and intergrated to give him Auto Thrusters but then you are lookingat 100pts.....could be worth having the 1pt bid.

I know waht people will think, "Lando" talk about the waste of a card, but Lando has worked well in this list. There is just something about seeing my opponents face when the falcon is sitting there with 3 evade tokens that gets me to smile.

Love the Lando idea @RedSkull.

@gennataos That's my proposed current formula for Rey/Poe based on your previous forum posts. I don't have Kanan or Engine Upgrade (yet...) so I've been using C-3PO, and Expertise.

@wurms PS8 Poe is super tempting for that bid.

29 minutes ago, RedSkull said:

Or you could thry this out from left field haha

Han (re-roll) (46)

  • PTL (3)
  • Kanan (3)
  • Lando (3)
  • Falcon (evade) (1)
  • EU (4)

Poe (31)

  • Intensity (2)
  • BB-8 (2)
  • Comm relay (3)
  • Black One (1)
  • Intergrated Mech (0)

Total: 99

On Poe you could drop the title and intergrated to give him Auto Thrusters but then you are lookingat 100pts.....could be worth having the 1pt bid.

I know waht people will think, "Lando" talk about the waste of a card, but Lando has worked well in this list. There is just something about seeing my opponents face when the falcon is sitting there with 3 evade tokens that gets me to smile.

I’d go Kylo Crew instead of Lando since you have Kanan Crew on there.

2 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

I’d go Kylo Crew instead of Lando since you have Kanan Crew on there.

Unfortunately don't think I can add Kylo to this list...

11 minutes ago, ccjacks3 said:

Unfortunately don't think I can add Kylo to this list...

Sorry Kyle Crew

7 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

Sorry Kyle Crew

Why Kyle? while having Kanan?

The PTL action + Lando....Kanan clears stress potential for more evades

23 minutes ago, RedSkull said:

Why Kyle? while having Kanan?

The PTL action + Lando....Kanan clears stress potential for more evades

Can’t spend more than one Evade token while defending. Lando is also guess work. PTL Han with Kanan/Kyle lets you have a guaranteed focus even if blocked, and can have token stacks still with double focus or an Evade, TL, and Focus. With a two ship build you need as many offensive mods possible. Anything guaranteed is better than a probability something may get you it.

I love the following list - while Han doesn't carry the damage threat as much as Rey, the Lone Wolf, C3PO combo means that the ship is very hardy. There's some wiggle room for upgrades/illicit to taste, if you fancy inertial dampners, or burnout slam for instance.

This version of Poe, while not as resilient as the classic plot armour comm relay version is still hugely resilient and importantly has double modded shots. He is the most fun version of Poe I have played so far ... and I play a lot of Poe! Depending on your local Meta, you could switch out VI for predator, lone wolf or similar ... making him more offensive.

Han (Reroll)

  • Lone Wolf
  • C-3PO
  • Rey
  • Evade title

Poe (PS9)

  • VI
  • Advanced Optics
  • R2D2
  • Autothrusters
  • Black One

Unfortunately, there is a bad matchup for any falcon/Poe list ... and that is x7 defenders ... low PS k-turning with token stacks is really tough ... basically you need to try to PS kill one early doors, and then just survive.

6 hours ago, Dreadai said:

I love the following list - while Han doesn't carry the damage threat as much as Rey, the Lone Wolf, C3PO combo means that the ship is very hardy. There's some wiggle room for upgrades/illicit to taste, if you fancy inertial dampners, or burnout slam for instance.

This version of Poe, while not as resilient as the classic plot armour comm relay version is still hugely resilient and importantly has double modded shots. He is the most fun version of Poe I have played so far ... and I play a lot of Poe! Depending on your local Meta, you could switch out VI for predator, lone wolf or similar ... making him more offensive.

Han (Reroll)

  • Lone Wolf
  • C-3PO
  • Rey
  • Evade title

Poe (PS9)

  • VI
  • Advanced Optics
  • R2D2
  • Autothrusters
  • Black One

Unfortunately, there is a bad matchup for any falcon/Poe list ... and that is x7 defenders ... low PS k-turning with token stacks is really tough ... basically you need to try to PS kill one early doors, and then just survive.

This is the exact list I used during my last play test and I got destroyed by two x7 defenders and a silencer. I tried to keep Han at range but the automatic evade combined with taking a focus each round pretty much put the nail in the coffin. The silencer barely did anything except kite around and look awesome.

14 minutes ago, ccjacks3 said:

This is the exact list I used during my last play test and I got destroyed by two x7 defenders and a silencer. I tried to keep Han at range but the automatic evade combined with taking a focus each round pretty much put the nail in the coffin. The silencer barely did anything except kite around and look awesome.

The only matchup I've lost against with this list is x7 defenders and inquisitor... so a similar archetype. I think it's winnable, but it involves a **** of a lot of patience.

19 hours ago, Tbetts94 said:

Can’t spend more than one Evade token while defending. Lando is also guess work. PTL Han with Kanan/Kyle lets you have a guaranteed focus even if blocked, and can have token stacks still with double focus or an Evade, TL, and Focus. With a two ship build you need as many offensive mods possible. Anything guaranteed is better than a probability something may get you it.

That's fair I'm just playing more to my scoundrel heart :)

That is why I started the post this list is out of left field haha

5 minutes ago, RedSkull said:

That's fair I'm just playing more to my scoundrel heart :)

That is why I started the post this list is out of left field haha

Lando on Kanan Pilot is fun with Adv Sensors, Recon Spec, and Experimental Interface. All the tokens!!

Han Solo (46)
Expert Handling (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Kyle Katarn (3)
Black Market Slicer Tools (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Experimental Interface (3)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

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I just thought of this.... I know it's unorthodox as can be when it comes to a Han list... but hear me out! You need to start the cycle early, but the idea is you evade/barrel roll every turn. So if you do it your first turn, you gain the double stress, pull a green and remove 2 stress to gain 2 focus with Kyle. So now you should have double focus/evade every turn plus your killing a lock at PS9 with Han and PS11 with Poe. Both have decent mods.

It's janky... but it could work.

4 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Han Solo (46)
Expert Handling (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
Kyle Katarn (3)
Black Market Slicer Tools (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Experimental Interface (3)
Millennium Falcon (TFA) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

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I just thought of this.... I know it's unorthodox as can be when it comes to a Han list... but hear me out! You need to start the cycle early, but the idea is you evade/barrel roll every turn. So if you do it your first turn, you gain the double stress, pull a green and remove 2 stress to gain 2 focus with Kyle. So now you should have double focus/evade every turn plus your killing a lock at PS9 with Han and PS11 with Poe. Both have decent mods.

It's janky... but it could work.

Sounds like you are locking Han into green moves almost every trun which makes him super predicable and leaves you open to blocking.

11 minutes ago, RedSkull said:

Sounds like you are locking Han into green moves almost every trun which makes him super predicable and leaves you open to blocking.

at least if he gets blocked by a greenie he still gets 2 focus out of it and has an open dial the next turn. So not bad as if he were to be blocked normally. But yes, it is a risk.

So I am a huge fan of Poe (either PS) with VI, Adv. Optics, Black One, Autothrusters. R2-D2 or FAA is based on your playstyle, whether you want slower, more patient Regen play or nimble, agile flying.

As for the Falcon, both Rey (Expertise, Sloop Title, Kanan, Finn, EU or Scavenger Crane/Smuggling Compartment, Countermeasures) and Han (VI, Rey, C-3PO, Evade Title, EU) are strong. Rey of course hits like a truck, and, if the opponent is in arc, is actually crazy survivable, however, Han has the advantage of matching PS with Poe, and is more generally survivable.

Nonetheless, Chewie can be rather fun. With Predator, Rey, Evade Title, R2-D2, Countermeasures, Smuggling Compartment, and Scavenger Crane, he has Focus/Evade/Reroll/Regen every turn, can't suffer crits, and can boost agility at least once, probably more times.

4 hours ago, Greebwahn said:

Nonetheless, Chewie can be rather fun. With Predator, Rey, Evade Title, R2-D2, Countermeasures, Smuggling Compartment, and Scavenger Crane, he has Focus/Evade/Reroll/Regen every turn, can't suffer crits, and can boost agility at least once, probably more times.

Yeah, I did this exact build and took 2nd out of about 8 or so players in a local store tournament. Never lost, just missed out on MOV (dang 1/2 point rule!).


My try at this.

Han shot first
(100)

Poe Dameron (PS9) — T-70 X-Wing 33
Veteran Instincts 1
BB-8 2
Advanced Optics 2
Autothrusters 2
Black One 1
Ship Total: 41
Han Solo — YT-1300 46
Veteran Instincts 1
Baze Malbus 3
Hotshot Co-pilot 4
Engine Upgrade 4
Millennium Falcon 1
Ship Total: 59


You let Han shot first, and if you feel like you want to strip more then one focus token you Han reroll any first roll that "is too good", and hopefully you miss so you can trigger Baze malbus and attack the second target, now trying to hurt it.

Then Poe get to shoot at a target without a focus token, in the best of worlds.
With BB-8, you can easily clear one TL and since you have AO you can boost to re-position, most likely after everyone else.

I think it is a fun list to play and pretty good against all these dead eye/Long range scanner lists.

I'll throw a hat in the ring with something I've been thinking about. Personally, I like Regen Poe more than BB-8, and I kinda want PS 11. However, I also want Hotshot Copilot. I feel like that's pretty strong. So. That's kinda tough, since these are the most pricey versions of the kit for these ships. So I need somewhere to trim points. And it occured to me: while I feel Poe needs to move last, he doesn't necessarily need to shoot first. Decoy Chewie. He's only 3 point cheaper than VI Han, but still. He'll be pretty tanky and will laugh in the face of any Kylo Ren Silencers out there. I've put down a version here with Luke for the dice mods, and Burnout SLAM for the cheapness. However, Baze/Engine would also fit and allow a 1-point bid. It seems entirely possible that this just doesn't work, that Decoy's range is too small in on-table geometry, but I think it's interesting.

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Poe Dameron (PS9 Version) (43)

T-70 X-Wing (33), Black One (1), R2-D2 (4), Advanced Optics (2), Veteran Instincts (1), Autothrusters (2)

Chewbacca (57)

YT-1300 (42), Decoy (2), Luke Skywalker (7), Hotshot Co-pilot (4), Millennium Falcon (Evade Version) (1), Snuggling Compartment (0), Burnout Slam (1)