So, having seen EP8, there’s three story arcs... one for each Destiny color. I wonder if the mouse told FFG that much and from that we get our card classifications. Unfortunately they weren’t all good arcs, IMO

SPOILERS

Force: Kylo, Rey, Luke, etc... A

I like, hoping JJ brings Luke back somehow, but if not, I still like this arc

Command: The Fleet Chase and battles, good... B-

We needed more and better explanation on why the probably 1000 TIE fighters weren’t launched, and I get the complaints on the suicide jump, but it was done well enough that I’m good with a suicide miniSSD doing that much damage... just 2 sentences, 1 on a better reason fighters couldn’t launch (realitive speed, deep space is bad for TIEs, etc) and 1 on Holdo being a navigator in the past undoing normally hardwired safeties and that only a ship that size could cut through, etc

Rogues: The casino, greyhounds, infliltration, etc... F

So much nonsensical, no way plot armor, stupid coincidences, I was fine with Finn dying and then Rose... meh, stupid waste of film/time

Cards I expect for Blue:

Old Man Luke(Not sure... Maybe big upgrade cost reduction?)

Force Projection(More powerful Illusion, maybe moves all damage onto the illusion, before milling at end of round equal to all damage taken)

Luke Threatening to Strike Down Kylo(Maybe some sorta Force strike esque card that hurts you too)

Kylo/Rey team up Card(changes both a hero and villain die to damage)

Massive spoiler of the best scene in the movie

Luke will Definitely come back as a force ghost with Yodes

There was the one throw away line that the cruisers couldn't cover the fighters at that range, not sure what it means really but that's all we are gonna get. I would have liked if they played up the resistance thinking they had a spy as to why the FO could track them through hyperspace. It would make Holdo's silence to Poe a lot more reasonable rather than petulantly leading to the events that screwed her plan which was actually good.

I thought Finn escaping from Gringots was cool. You take that back

I hope they ignore all future content from that junk of a movie. The characters all regressed, there wasn't any original technology and the plot was devoid of memorable moments or iconic quotes. The complete lack of world building in that movie baffled me. I want Star Wars, not another throwaway popcorn flick.

It's a shame The Last Jedi is receiving negative backlash for not catering to low expectations but was instead a great, well written and thought provoking Star Wars film that can compare to The Empire Strikes Back. I've seen reviews slam it for the characters showing emotion. For showing emotion!

Even the often criticised Canto Bight scenes set up important underlying themes.

6 hours ago, gokubb said:

I hope they ignore all future content from that junk of a movie. The characters all regressed, there wasn't any original technology and the plot was devoid of memorable moments or iconic quotes. The complete lack of world building in that movie baffled me. I want Star Wars, not another throwaway popcorn flick.

Can't agree more. This film was the most shallow star wars film to date. I'd say it was even more shallow than Rogue One and that wasn't even focused on force users!!!

2 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

It's a shame The Last Jedi is receiving negative backlash for not catering to low expectations but was instead a great, well written and thought provoking Star Wars film that can compare to The Empire Strikes Back. I've seen reviews slam it for the characters showing emotion. For showing emotion!

Even the often criticised Canto Bight scenes set up important underlying themes.

2 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

Well written? Of all the sins this movie committed its *Writing* is the biggest folly. You say "Well Written"??? By what standard I would ask? A marvel action movie? Iron Man 3? If so, then yes, it was WELL WRITTEN!

13 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Massive spoiler of the best scene in the movie

A hero Kylo who paired with Rey would be amazing. That was my favorite scene in the whole movie.

That would be awesome. Even better - keep em hero and villain but allow to be paired only with one another, while keeping the deck aligment to prevent sick combos

1 hour ago, DarthBlade said:

Can't agree more. This film was the most shallow star wars film to date. I'd say it was even more shallow than Rogue One and that wasn't even focused on force users!!!

1 hour ago, DarthBlade said:

Well written? Of all the sins this movie committed its *Writing* is the biggest folly. You say "Well Written"??? By what standard I would ask? A marvel action movie? Iron Man 3? If so, then yes, it was WELL WRITTEN!

You call R1 shallow..? Ok, while i respect your opinions about movies, they just lost any credibility...

1 hour ago, Vitalis said:

You call R1 shallow..? Ok, while i respect your opinions about movies, they just lost any credibility...

Shallow as in star wars lore. It added very little compared to other movies. I'm not saying Shallow as in weight. TLJ was shallow in the same way. It added so little. Didn't answer a bunch of questions that it needed to.

16 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

Shallow as in star wars lore. It added very little compared to other movies. I'm not saying Shallow as in weight. TLJ was shallow in the same way. It added so little. Didn't answer a bunch of questions that it needed to.

You thought it was light on Star Wars lore? Did you accidentally leave after a Pacific Rim preview thinking that was the whole movie? Because I don’t think we saw the same film. Because the movie I saw had music and blasters and old Jedi Masters (IV). It had a visually stunning planet where our heroes met a man of questionable intentions. It had an offer to join the Dark Side and rule the galaxy. It had a shocking (though in an anticlimactic way) reveal regarding lineage (V). It had an evil Force user brought low by his hubris in thinking he could not be betrayed (VI). It had a young wayward apprentice fighting his former master (III). It had a stunningly silent space shot (II). It even had a Force-sensitive Slave boy growing up on the racing circuit (I). I would describe it as steeped in Star Wars lore!

6 hours ago, Shadow345 said:

It's a shame The Last Jedi is receiving negative backlash for not catering to low expectations but was instead a great, well written and thought provoking Star Wars film that can compare to The Empire Strikes Back. I've seen reviews slam it for the characters showing emotion. For showing emotion!

Even the often criticised Canto Bight scenes set up important underlying themes.

I think it's receiving backlash for being a bad movie. If it didn't say Star Wars then no one would jump to defend it. It's a failure from the first action sequence that completely discredits the leader of the First Order army, has a terrible forced suspense in the 'shoot down that last bomber'/'oh my bombs aren't working'/'we all knew it would work anyway so why force suspense and waste my time' moment.

The reduction of the main Resistance plot to a Battlestar Galactica ship chase was lazy and bad storytelling. Maz's inclusion was bad storytelling. The let's find a gambler that's willing to support the Resistance to hack into something scene not ending in finding Billy Dee was dumb. Rey's non-training but I can use the force was dumb in Awakens and is still dumb. This movie was Episode 2 bad.

It also shares a problem with Awakens in that I disbelieve how the Resistance is 10 people with 5 ships and the First Order is that strong. They've never adequately explained how the Republic isn't around. I mean, I get blowing up a star system. But, do you think the Empire would have been destroyed if someone blew up Coruscant? No, the fleet out among the entire universe would go straight to war. The whole premise negates the victory in Return.

The movie is shallow. It doesn't build the Star Wars world. Doesn't provide any feeling that it's more than the entire First Order chasing the entire Resistance, which if that's the case, why does the rest of that universe care? It's so small in scale.

Rey and Kylo's connection was the one shining moment, although outside that, both characters were misused. And, I really left not caring what the conclusion to their relationship brings.

3 hours ago, gokubb said:

I think it's receiving backlash for being a bad movie. If it didn't say Star Wars then no one would jump to defend it.

I'd say the opposite is true - I think it's receiving backlash BECAUSE it's a star wars movie. Even if people didn't like this film if it didn't have a star wars tag on it, they wouldn't level this kind of vitriol at it.

Personally I like the film, I can understand why people don't like it, and I completely knew beforehand that no matter what this film was, there would be people screaming from the rooftops just how much they hated it... because it's a star wars film.

Same thing happened with Force Awakens, Same thing happened with Rogue One (and interestingly I'm noticing a pattern where people like me who weren't as keen on TFA but DID like Rogue One also like TLJ, wheras people who loved TFA disliked R1 and now dislike TFA... Obviously there are plenty of exceptions out there, but that seems to be the rule of thumb).

I honestly think that Star Wars is just an utterly polarising thing now - no matter what they do, there's no winning for anybody trying to make a Star Wars film (or only winning I suppose... It'll make money regardless and always have a legion of fans (who are willing to keep parting with cash for Star Wars products) which is the mouses ultimate goal).

If you make a good movie, then there's less room for polarizing opinions. Sure, some can agree or disagree with the direction of the story or advancement of the characters.

You use Rogue One as an example, and it is a perfect one. Aside from some physics not working the way the director thought they should and Forest Whitaker's misuse, the movie was actually well made. The parts that separate most people are those that think the story didn't mesh well with Episode 4. But even those people typically say it's an OK film, just not up to Star Wars (4, 5, 6) standards.

This movie is way more polarizing because it's just a terribly made movie. Forget the story for a moment. The actual direction of the movie is just awful. Pointless dialogue, action sequences that fail to deliver real impact, the boring underlying narrative of the fleet chase that acts as our timing reference for the rest of the film. Rian Johnson made a C movie at best.

I would contest that variations of "it was objectively bad because..." arguments can also be levelled at EVERY Star Wars film.

Episode 4 - plot holes abound with 'heres a 2 meter wide instant kill hole that we didnt put so much as put a cage on'

Episode 5 - We found the rebel base and despite having the entire imperial force at our disposal they managed to fire an ion cannon and evacuate.

Ep 6 - our leader is dead. Guess we lose.

...

I love these films, but my word one has to suspend disbelief for them. New Star Wars films don't get that grace because people have expectations backed up by nostalgia. Some people will never be happy.

I don't understand how anyone could have a vastly different opinion of r1 v the last jedi

They're both the same in that at least half the movie could be cut with little consequence and that most of the characters ultimately had little to no agency

They also imo both had one affecting story arc detailing how the unfeeling and cruel hierarchy of the empire/GO would manipulate, exploit and ultimately discard their immidiate subordinates regardless of their previous contributions

Then they both had some badass moments involving lightsabers ala Darth Vader and ReyRen in the throne room

I honestly don't see any major difference other than rogue one being drab and boring outside a few select scenes while Jedi was absurd and overly goofy outside a few select scenes (granted, r1's Saw was EXCEPTIONALLY goofy and I found the casino to be quite boring, but still also goofy)

Honestly, I suspect r1 will be more fondly remembered just because it's set in the OT, in spite of the horrifically uncanny non-vader cgi

I really have this feeling that Star Wars isn't intended for the likes of us anymore. This trilogy feels very unnecessary and bloated with fluff. The most interesting story involves Luke, Rey, and Kylo which could have been a single stand-alone movie where other characters only pop up when necessary. Finn and Poe accomplish little of what they set out to do, and I honestly don't know what purpose they could serve in the final movie. Also that ham-fisted romance between Finn and Rose peeves me.

These films shouldn't have been a baton-pass between generations, they should be separate entities that give enough breathing room to be expanded on, unobtrusively. The OG trilogy is still my personal favorite, and I still like the prequels more than this new trilogy.

I really loved the movie, and I've already defended it on the X-Wing forums so I don't really feel like defending it here too. In my own opinion, Star Wars is meant to be fun, and that's exactly what this movie was. I laughed at the jokes, my mouth hung slack at the plot twists, I liked all the characters, and 2.5 hours disappeared in the blink of an eye. I don't know what else I can ask for from a movie really.

I for one liked it. I agree the A plot(the Luke/Rey/Kylo plot) was the best, the B plot exemplified the themes of failure throughout the film so even if it wasn't the best I can't knock it enough to diminish my love of the A plot. Sure there were some plot holes too, and the rules of how ships work were messed with pretty weirdly. But while it's not my favorite film in the series, but not the worst either. Looking forward to a second viewing.

21 hours ago, JonasBenz said:

I really have this feeling that Star Wars isn't intended for the likes of us anymore.

My feeling is that Disney is trying to reboot the franchise with the current young generation. The last couple movies seem to have been far more about reproducing the iconic scenes from the original trilogy (now 30% bigger). They have now hit most of the scenes. Some of them twice. I'm hoping that future movies start concentrating more on plot and story telling and start expanding the universe again.

oh theres no way Luke is gone for good.

He literally phased into the force rather than just died. Guarantee his force ghost will be helping Rey next movie. Especially since they finally showed the force ghosts are still around (for the record i loved the yoda scene)

And wanna know how you can tell Disney is messing with the franchise? animals! animals everywhere! seriously whats with the random critters in every scene lol

Clearly the movies were intended to be Ben vs Han, Ben vs Luke and then Ben vs Leia, sadly that third movie is not going to happen. So it will have to be a mixture of Luke and Rey filling in the Leia side of things. So yeah, Luke will be all glowie and stuff. And since Disney and especially JJ likes to reproduce the old movies we'll get a Luke. Obi Wan and Yoda force ghosts just chilling scene at the end of EP9.

Also, what is the talk about Hero Kylo? I don't know what movie you guys were watching but Kylo was clearly using Rey the whole time and thought she joined him. It would make more since to have a villain Rey, or more to the point, dumb gray Rey as a pairing.

the movie was not horrible I was not bored once, the problem is this directer completely took the story lines that JJ built and crapped all over them.

- killed snoke off with no explanation of who the **** he is.

- rey parents being nobody's after hyping it up

- phasma again gets the shaft