Found elsewhere - a frame-by-frame pic of the hyperspace ram scene:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-906

One thing that stands out - the Supremacy is close enough that, if the Raddus was still in realspace when it hit the Supremacy - it would still be visible - it didn't have all that far to go.

But instead (frames 6 and 7) it disappears - then we see the Supremacy get torn in half.

This, to me, supports the notion that first it enters the other dimension that is hyperspace (hence the "vanish away" effect of the Raddus appearing to disappear into infinity) - and then, while in hyperspace, the Raddus collides with the Supremacy and we get the effects we see.

2 hours ago, Ironlord said:

Found elsewhere - a frame-by-frame pic of the hyperspace ram scene:

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/fleet-junkie-flagship-the-technical-discussions-of-the-gffa-capital-ships-thread-mk-ii.21527953/page-906

One thing that stands out - the Supremacy is close enough that, if the Raddus was still in realspace when it hit the Supremacy - it would still be visible - it didn't have all that far to go.

But instead (frames 6 and 7) it disappears - then we see the Supremacy get torn in half.

This, to me, supports the notion that first it enters the other dimension that is hyperspace (hence the "vanish away" effect of the Raddus appearing to disappear into infinity) - and then, while in hyperspace, the Raddus collides with the Supremacy and we get the effects we see.

So the supremacy IS big enough to cast a shadow mass in hyperspace! Thank you for that

On 1/3/2018 at 1:28 PM, Darth Sanguis said:

Yes!

It's a fiction. That's the whole point of a fiction. It's bends the rules and limits of our perspective. Why have a series about all powerful hermit wizard-monks vs Evil space nazis if you can't adjust the rules?

I hate to be a **** about it but guess what?

It's happened.

It's BEEN ESTABLISHED.



Is an accepted part of the movie canon.

You can either fill in the holes like the rest of the functioning fan base, who accept the stories aren't perfect and realize that while extremes happen they don't define how the universe typically works, or you can dig your heels in the dirt and yelp, "They CAN'T do that!" until you leave.

My post was designed to help gap that "THEY CAN'T DO THAT" disbelief, and maybe it's not what happened but it's more than enough to satisfy MOST people who understand that this scene obviously was not typical, even if they haven't explained why...

EXTRAPOLATE.

That's not how fiction works. Good writers create their fictional world with a set of rules and conditions to give their characters' decisions and actions weight. Otherwise an author can literally rewrite the rules of their universe anytime they see fit to support the plot instead of taking some time to think thoughtfully about how characters need to solve problems. This also doesn't explain why if this was a thing, why didn't Holdo just hyperspace into the ships to begin with instead of letting all of the Resistance transports get destroyed. In addition, the Resistance ships were all stated to be much faster than the FO capital ships, so how was it they maintained the exact same distance between themselves and the Resistance ships. Rian employed the convenient plot armor to explain away every plot hole. Similar to this movie, how the Force now becomes something that random people use instinctively versus long hours of training.

One last thing too. If people have to take this long to explain something from the plot, then that means its a pretty weak aspect of the story.

13 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

That's not how fiction works. Good writers create their fictional world with a set of rules and conditions to give their characters' decisions and actions weight. Otherwise an author can literally rewrite the rules of their universe anytime they see fit to support the plot instead of taking some time to think thoughtfully about how characters need to solve problems. This also doesn't explain why if this was a thing, why didn't Holdo just hyperspace into the ships to begin with instead of letting all of the Resistance transports get destroyed. In addition, the Resistance ships were all stated to be much faster than the FO capital ships, so how was it they maintained the exact same distance between themselves and the Resistance ships. Rian employed the convenient plot armor to explain away every plot hole. Similar to this movie, how the Force now becomes something that random people use instinctively versus long hours of training.

One last thing too. If people have to take this long to explain something from the plot, then that means its a pretty weak aspect of the story.

I'm gonna say I think that maybe were expecting too much RULES!!!! In our space fantasy. Hard science fiction this is not. I think that we're thinking waaaay to hard about this. If were looking for so hard to reason and set down the rules of a fictional universe, we seriously run the risk of turning the fantastic into the mundane.

I am one of those who enjoy poking holes in things. But we seem to be getting really worked up over this. Lettus all take a breath and a step back. We should sit back and enjoy, suspend some disbelief, and let the rule of cool reign. And boy howdy was that a cool scene.

TLDR: Everybody loves sausage, nobody wants to know how it's made.

1 minute ago, Pigsticker said:

That's not how fiction works.

and yet it has happened. It seems to me reality disagrees with your opinion of what fiction should be.

2 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

This also doesn't explain why if this was a thing, why didn't Holdo just hyperspace into the ships to begin with instead of letting all of the Resistance transports get destroyed.

Had the Raddus turned to face the FO while it was being targeted, it was implied that the FO would have range and have been able to destroy the ship. The only reason Holdo was able to bring the Raddus around to face the FO was BECAUSE they were targeting the transports, and not the Raddus. It was pretty clear to me the FO and the resistance BOTH knew that the resistance ships would get shredded if they got too close.

7 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

In addition, the Resistance ships were all stated to be much faster than the FO capital ships, so how was it they maintained the exact same distance between themselves and the Resistance ships.

Does your car get it's best mileage by going full speed? No? Hmmmmmmm I would venture this a silly question, then. As it is most vehicles in our universe don't get peak efficiency out of fuel running at maximum capacity, or even at high capacity, for most. (As it turns out most cars get the best mileage out of their fuel around 55 MPH, which isn't considered all that fast, especially if we're considering highway speeds...).

If the plot is low fuel and biding time, than using just enough fuel to maintain a speed where the FO is kept at a range where their weapons aren't effective makes much sense.

15 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

Rian employed the convenient plot armor to explain away every plot hole.

No, Ryan made the mistake of believing Star Wars fans were intelligent enough to extrapolate missing information using context...

16 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

Similar to this movie, how the Force now becomes something that random people use instinctively versus long hours of training.

Oh goodness....

I really don't know how to answer this for you... there are SO MANY OPTIONS.

I could go the route of, "Look at the old EU, there have been MANY powerful force users who have tapped into their power long before training."

I could go the route of, "Look at the canon, and how they explain force usage, BOTH Obiwan and Yoda are seen on screen describing the Jedi getting their powers by letting the force direct (flow through) them. If the force is a living entity with a will of it's own, which it is, then it makes perfect sense that it could influence one of it's MOST POWERFUL sensitives.... Rey has these powers because the force wills it. Do you need any other explanation?"




Frankly, at this point, based on the 5-10 minutes it took me to write up an explanation to your most burning questions that ruin the series and destroy the "rules" I would speculate that you're heavily lacking in imagination, gave these questions no real thought, or are someone who's mad at this movie JUST to be mad at this movie.

59 minutes ago, Pigsticker said:

That's not how fiction works. Good writers create their fictional world with a set of rules and conditions to give their characters' decisions and actions weight. Otherwise an author can literally rewrite the rules of their universe anytime they see fit to support the plot instead of taking some time to think thoughtfully about how characters need to solve problems.