Just now, Ginkapo said:

So CR90B's with engine techs?

And reinforced blast doors for added mass.

On 23/12/2017 at 5:21 AM, Animewarsdude said:

I really wouldn't be all that surprised if with Hux they they were in fact so inept that they didn't turn their shields on, that is pretty in line with his rather foolish character at the moment based off TLJ.

Or there's only so much power to go round - with the FO going at maximum speed/acceleration in its chase, and firing as well - the shields have been dialled to minimum and the extra power channelled to guns and engines. With the Resistance not shooting back (spending most of their power on shields and engines) the FO thought they could get away with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there 2 types of shields? I thought there were particle shields and energy shields, particle shields stop anything going through, and are like the ones for Scarif and Starkiller base, and energy shields that are used in ships and squads and generally don't stop matter, only energy, which basically protects it from guns and turbolasers?

As good headcanon as any, I guess. Or is there an actual explanation in one of the recent books?

The main reason for the "all ships have some particle shielding" theory is that ships are often seen in environments where they would need particle shielding to survive for any length of time (like asteroid belts) and sometimes asteroids are portrayed as being vaporised against aforesaid shields.

12 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

The main reason for the "all ships have some particle shielding" theory is that ships are often seen in environments where they would need particle shielding to survive for any length of time (like asteroid belts) and sometimes asteroids are portrayed as being vaporised against aforesaid shields.

Yes, although it’s still dangerous, the asteroids can still damage the ship and all, so it’s not like they are as strong...

Yup. They're pretty depleteable. We saw one Star Destroyer get its entire bridge tower taken off in TESB.

I think what the apologists for TLJ are doing their best to ignore is that such significant changes in the understanding of how a universe works has consequences. If you really want to continue to make movies in an intellectual property such as Star Wars, you have to maintain the consistency with only very minor tweaks for effect or you lose the audience. The success of an IP is largely dependent on consistency. You would think someone up there at Disney or Lucas Arts would understand this basic truth.

2 hours ago, Woobyluv said:

I think what the apologists for TLJ are doing their best to ignore is that such significant changes in the understanding of how a universe works has consequences. If you really want to continue to make movies in an intellectual property such as Star Wars, you have to maintain the consistency with only very minor tweaks for effect or you lose the audience. The success of an IP is largely dependent on consistency. You would think someone up there at Disney or Lucas Arts would understand this basic truth.

Is that the sort of consistency that kept the fast and furious gang robbing cars only?

Maybe hyperspace tracking can’t work with interdictor tech?

4 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Is that the sort of consistency that kept the fast and furious gang robbing cars only?

Yes, I just compared the Star Wars franchise to Fast and Furious.

No regrets

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

Is that the sort of consistency that kept the fast and furious gang robbing cars only?

Cars was their thing. They lost me after the second movie with the BS they pulled in that one. In my opinion, F&F is successful because people typically have attention spans that are captivated by flashy stuff and last about as long as a gold fish.

Hyper jumping in from far far away... as I posted on other boards there's a possible explanation for why the ramming wasn't used before: Supremacy shields weren't totally on to stop the attack or reduce the damage.

Remember Finn and co had to slip on board and lower a portion of those? It's the exact spot were the Raddus hits (the hangar section they are in) later on and cripples the vessel. It was never really implied the shields there were completely online after the cracker disabled them, aside for that officer display that was tapped and stopped flickering... anyway didn't they need the shield to be lowered for more than a few seconds to slip through?

I can accept the excuse of a genius guy who knows how to hack shields and Holdo being smart enough to scan the ship and notice that weak spot, rather than hyperspace ramming being just a desperate tactic that's so effective and never used. One is a possible plot hole, the other just a complex series of events that happened only in this occasion.

Yes, Hux wasn't exactly happy to see the Raddus turn to ram, but I wouldn't be either even if I knew shields could hold, I'd say his words were sufficient as reaction.

On 12/24/2017 at 2:15 PM, Woobyluv said:

I think what the apologists for TLJ are doing their best to ignore is that such significant changes in the understanding of how a universe works has consequences. If you really want to continue to make movies in an intellectual property such as Star Wars, you have to maintain the consistency with only very minor tweaks for effect or you lose the audience. The success of an IP is largely dependent on consistency. You would think someone up there at Disney or Lucas Arts would understand this basic truth.

That's why I wasn't really able to get into the 2005 and on Dr. Who. The Doctor can always seem to do or not do (and then figure out he can do) just what the script needs him to do or not do. Tricorders got nothing on the sonic screwdriver.

4 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

That's why I wasn't really able to get into the 2005 and on Dr. Who. The Doctor can always seem to do or not do (and then figure out he can do) just what the script needs him to do or not do. Tricorders got nothing on the sonic screwdriver.

Isn’t it pronounced “Magic wand”?

8 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

That's why I wasn't really able to get into the 2005 and on Dr. Who. The Doctor can always seem to do or not do (and then figure out he can do) just what the script needs him to do or not do. Tricorders got nothing on the sonic screwdriver.

Whenever someone mentions Dr. Who:

On 24/12/2017 at 11:25 PM, Woobyluv said:

Cars was their thing. They lost me after the second movie with the BS they pulled in that one. In my opinion, F&F is successful because people typically have attention spans that are captivated by flashy stuff and last about as long as a gold fish.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Fast and furious wasnt about cars! It was about family, thats all it was ever about!

This is like saying that Star Wars is about Xwings! Its not, its about hope.

Edit: Which is why my major criticism of the film is that they dont explicitly state how big a deal is it that Holdo destroyed the imperial fleet. Was that just one of may ships, or was that the equivalent of wiping out a death star? Is there now hope again for our ragtag group of 5 rebels?

7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Fast and furious wasnt about cars! It was about family, thats all it was ever about!

This is like saying that Star Wars is about Xwings! Its not, its about hope.

Star Wars is also about B-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, TIE Interceptors and TIE Fighters. I don't see what the problem is.

We gotta get rid of the talky parts and have a movie that's dedicated to things going boom.

43 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

This is like saying that Star Wars is about Xwings! Its not, its about hope.

Given how many times TLJ used that word, I'm wondering whether the film will catch flak for that. After all, Rogue One did, and they said it quite a bit less...

Ah, whatever. Those who are disappointed are screaming into the void as it is, no need to add fuel to the fire.

23 minutes ago, DampfGecko said:

Given how many times TLJ used that word, I'm wondering whether the film will catch flak for that. After all, Rogue One did, and they said it quite a bit less...

Ah, whatever. Those who are disappointed are screaming into the void as it is, no need to add fuel to the fire.

I'm not screaming. I've got a smoker's voice right now so it's more of a hoarse whisper.

At the end of the day, quality is all about the bottom line when it comes to movies. If enough people scream with their wallets (what I'm trying to do) then maybe Disney will change course. A 68% drop from weekend 1 to 2 is big (or so I'm told).

8 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

I'm not screaming. I've got a smoker's voice right now so it's more of a hoarse whisper.

At the end of the day, quality is all about the bottom line when it comes to movies. If enough people scream with their wallets (what I'm trying to do) then maybe Disney will change course. A 68% drop from weekend 1 to 2 is big (or so I'm told).

And that's fine. I'm far from defending it, and advocate voting with your wallet. But I presume we have all seen people who react more than extreme to this movie.

1 hour ago, DampfGecko said:

And that's fine. I'm far from defending it, and advocate voting with your wallet. But I presume we have all seen people who react more than extreme to this movie.

I tend to avoid the Mos Eisley parts of the internet. Besides here, I've spoken to my game group about it (ranging from love to hate it) and my brother who just said, "It's like if the Beatles, assuming they were all alive now, decided to put out a new album. It's not the same. That wouldn't be the Beatles and this isn't Star Wars."

2 hours ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

Star Wars is also about B-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings, TIE Interceptors and TIE Fighters. I don't see what the problem is.

We gotta get rid of the talky parts and have a movie that's dedicated to things going boom.

So a Free Fire, but with Star Wars and in space? Yes please

On 12/27/2017 at 11:02 AM, DampfGecko said:

Given how many times TLJ used that word, I'm wondering whether the film will catch flak for that. After all, Rogue One did, and they said it quite a bit less...

Ah, whatever. Those who are disappointed are screaming into the void as it is, no need to add fuel to the fire.

Yeah seriously. Notice how Empire Strikes Back ended on a tremendous amount of hope yet they never had to keep repeating the cliched line about being a "spark that lights a fire." Ugggh. Going back to my hyperspace point way earlier, the way hyperspace was described to work in the universe is that a ship cannot hyperspace into and through solid masses. Otherwise, hyperspacing into things would be the only strategy needed...ever. Plus, how are the resistance bombers supposed to work? They basically float over their target and "drop" bombs in space?

Same way the Y-Wings drop bombs on the Shield Gate.