LUKE SKYWALKER

After the fall of the Empire, Luke founded a new Jedi temple to rebuild the Jedi Order. However, he was betrayed by his apprentice and nephew Ben Solo, the man who would become Kylo Ren, who killed the rest of Luke's Padawans and joined the dark side under the mysterious Snoke. Blaming himself, Luke disappeared and withdrew from the galaxy, going on a quest to find the first Jedi temple. Years later, Luke was found by the Force-sensitive scavenger Rey, who followed a map to him left in fragments with R2-D2 and Lor San Tekka.

Luke refused to train Rey in the ways of the Jedi, declaring that the Jedi Order needed to end with him. A persistent Rey held hope that the legendary Jedi Master would teach her. But in her first lessons, Rey allowed the Dark Side in and Luke refused to teach her, instead leaving believing she could turn Ben back to the Light. After Yoda visited Luke to inspire him that Rey was the future of the Jedi, Luke Force Projected himself to Crait to distract Ben and the First Order long enough for what remained of the Resistance to escape on the Millenium Falcon. Luke toyed with Ben before revealing himself to be a Projection and proclaimed that he would haunt Ben and that he would not be the last Jedi, before disappearing. Exhausted, Luke climbed back atop the meditation rock and finally at peace, became one with the Force.

LUKE SKYWALKER, THE LAST JEDI [NEMESIS]

Brawn 2, Agility 3, Intellect 4, Cunning 2, Willpower 5, Presence 3

Skills: Athletics 1, Cool 2, Coercion 1, Coordination 4, Discipline 4, Knowledge (Lore) 4, Lightsaber 4, Melee 2, Perception 2, Resilience 2, Survival 4, Vigilance 2.

Talents: Adversary 3, Conditioned, Forager, Parry 2, Valuable Facts 2.

Abilities: None.

Equipment: Walking cane (Melee; Damage 3; Critical 4; Range [Engaged]; Disorient 1), environmental resistant robes, survival gear.

Jedi No Longer: Following the fateful night that saw the fall of Luke’s Jedi academy, and the ascension of Kylo Ren, Luke Skywalker retreated not just from the galaxy, but from the Force itself as well. After Rey finds him on Ahch-To, Luke returns to the first Jedi temple, and reconnects with the Force. This returns a portion of his former strength, giving him Force Rating 4 and Reflect 2. In addition, Luke gains access to the Force Powers Move, Misdirect, Seek, and Sense.

Force Rating 4 is quite low; considering the insane Jedi Suljo Warde in Chronicles of the Gatekeeper was apprently just another run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight and had FR5, whereas Luke is supposed to be some sort of Force-powered God (one of the new books, which is canon, has Luke literally bouncing around in space without any breathing gear and tearing star destroyers from orbit with nothing more than a wave of his hands).

32 minutes ago, BipolarJuice said:

(one of the new books, which is canon, has Luke literally bouncing around in space without any breathing gear and tearing star destroyers from orbit with nothing more than a wave of his hands).

No.... It's happening again!

And so OP absurdity infected the Star Wars universe once more...

All of this has happened before, all of it will happen again.

1 minute ago, DaverWattra said:

No.... It's happening again!

And so OP absurdity infected the Star Wars universe once more...

All of this has happened before, all of it will happen again.

Don't tell me you actually believed Disney would fix the canon.

2 hours ago, BipolarJuice said:

Force Rating 4 is quite low; considering the insane Jedi Suljo Warde in Chronicles of the Gatekeeper was apprently just another run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight and had FR5, whereas Luke is supposed to be some sort of Force-powered God (one of the new books, which is canon, has Luke literally bouncing around in space without any breathing gear and tearing star destroyers from orbit with nothing more than a wave of his hands).

This is true... all of it

However... I did state that Force Rating 4 was only a portion of Luke's strength I used the mentor rules in DoH, and feel that from what we see in the film FR 4 is about right. Luke hasn't used the Force is years at this point. Suljo Warde is also 20 years removed from the Clone Wars when we meet him in CotG; plenty of time to improve his Force Rating.

I do however agree that a prime Luke would likely have had a 6 (or maybe even 7) in FR.

Also the book is called the Legends of Luke Skywalker for a reason The stories in said book are not meant to be taken completely literally.

13 hours ago, BipolarJuice said:

Force Rating 4 is quite low; considering the insane Jedi Suljo Warde in Chronicles of the Gatekeeper was apprently just another run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight and had FR5, whereas Luke is supposed to be some sort of Force-powered God ( one of the new books, which is canon, has Luke literally bouncing around in space without any breathing gear and tearing star destroyers from orbit with nothing more than a wave of his hands ).

You haven't read the book, have you? The entire point of the book was hearing tall tales about Luke's exploits from people who had never actually met him first-hand. And even in that particular tall-tale, the person who witnessed Luke doing those things had a severe concussion, and was almost certain hallucinating.

11 hours ago, MasterKazur said:

This is true... all of it

However... I did state that Force Rating 4 was only a portion of Luke's strength I used the mentor rules in DoH, and feel that from what we see in the film FR 4 is about right. Luke hasn't used the Force is years at this point. Suljo Warde is also 20 years removed from the Clone Wars when we meet him in CotG; plenty of time to improve his Force Rating.

I do however agree that a prime Luke would likely have had a 6 (or maybe even 7) in FR.

Also the book is called the Legends of Luke Skywalker for a reason The stories in said book are not meant to be taken completely literally.

Given what we see Luke do in The Last Jedi, I'd give him a bit more than FR4, honestly. I have stats for my interpretation of Return of the Jedi Luke having FR7 (but he isn't heavily invested into any Force powers, just a few upgrades in a handful of different powers). And honestly, what little we see Luke do in The Last Jedi is well beyond that. Almost every character in The Last Jedi seemed ridiculously powerful in the Force. (Well, except for Kylo Ren. Did we even see him do anything with the Force other than bully Hux and try to pull a lightsaber to himself?)

In The Last Jedi, when Luke opened himself up to the Force again, it didn't seem as though Luke had lost much of his power. He was still able to project himself across the galaxy in a way that actually seemed solid to Leia, and he kept it up for a fairly lengthy period of time, considering how physically exhausting such a power was supposed to be (With Kylo Ren implying that Rey doing it for a few seconds would kill her from the sheer effort).

2 hours ago, Underachiever599 said:

You haven't read the book, have you? The entire point of the book was hearing tall tales about Luke's exploits from people who had never actually met him first-hand. And even in that particular tall-tale, the person who witnessed Luke doing those things had a severe concussion, and was almost certain hallucinating.

I have read the book and thought it nonsense until I watched TLJ. When Leia's untrained self managed to Mary Poppins her way back onto a spaceship after having not only being fired upon but exposed to vacuum for ten minutes, I took it a little more seriously.

On 12/16/2017 at 9:53 PM, Underachiever599 said:

Given what we see Luke do in The Last Jedi, I'd give him a bit more than FR4, honestly. I have stats for my interpretation of Return of the Jedi Luke having FR7 (but he isn't heavily invested into any Force powers, just a few upgrades in a handful of different powers). And honestly, what little we see Luke do in The Last Jedi is well beyond that. Almost every character in The Last Jedi seemed ridiculously powerful in the Force. (Well, except for Kylo Ren. Did we even see him do anything with the Force other than bully Hux and try to pull a lightsaber to himself?)

In The Last Jedi, when Luke opened himself up to the Force again, it didn't seem as though Luke had lost much of his power. He was still able to project himself across the galaxy in a way that actually seemed solid to Leia, and he kept it up for a fairly lengthy period of time, considering how physically exhausting such a power was supposed to be (With Kylo Ren implying that Rey doing it for a few seconds would kill her from the sheer effort).

He was sitting on top of the original Force vergence, though. I would assume it’s a potent one, and thus gave a respectable power boost. The effort seems to have been supremely taxing to him, too.

Those stats are ridiculously low. With everything he's been through over the past 35 years we're talking about a 3,000+ XP character here in my opinion.

On 17/12/2017 at 6:53 AM, Underachiever599 said:

Given what we see Luke do in The Last Jedi, I'd give him a bit more than FR4, honestly. I have stats for my interpretation of Return of the Jedi Luke having FR7 (but he isn't heavily invested into any Force powers, just a few upgrades in a handful of different powers). And honestly, what little we see Luke do in The Last Jedi is well beyond that. Almost every character in The Last Jedi seemed ridiculously powerful in the Force. (Well, except for Kylo Ren. Did we even see him do anything with the Force other than bully Hux and try to pull a lightsaber to himself?)

In The Last Jedi, when Luke opened himself up to the Force again, it didn't seem as though Luke had lost much of his power. He was still able to project himself across the galaxy in a way that actually seemed solid to Leia, and he kept it up for a fairly lengthy period of time, considering how physically exhausting such a power was supposed to be (With Kylo Ren implying that Rey doing it for a few seconds would kill her from the sheer effort).

FR 7 would be Palpatine levels of power. Luke in RotJ would likely be around FR4

27 minutes ago, Krieger22 said:

Those stats are ridiculously low. With everything he's been through over the past 35 years we're talking about a 3,000+ XP character here in my opinion.

Agreed. However, I wasn't building him as a PC I was using the mentor rules in DoH, in order to somewhat accurately describe what he does in the film (The Last Jedi), if he was an NPC (reluctant) mentor. The whole Force-projection thing would likely be handled as a plot device by GM Johnson.

On 12/18/2017 at 2:16 PM, coyote6 said:

He was sitting on top of the original Force vergence, though. I would assume it’s a potent one, and thus gave a respectable power boost. The effort seems to have been supremely taxing to him, too.

Since this is already a spoiler filled thread...

Just like the temple on Coruscant, the first Jedi temple on Ach-To was built atop a Dark Side Vergence cavern, as shown in the film.

It seems the Original Jedi Order wanted balance so much that they built their beacons of hope right over pits of darkness.

My feeling is that fans tend to ramp up the power levels for headlining characters beyond where they need to be.

On 12/18/2017 at 2:57 PM, MasterKazur said:

FR 7 would be Palpatine levels of power. Luke in RotJ would likely be around FR4

Agreed. However, I wasn't building him as a PC I was using the mentor rules in DoH, in order to somewhat accurately describe what he does in the film (The Last Jedi), if he was an NPC (reluctant) mentor. The whole Force-projection thing would likely be handled as a plot device by GM Johnson.

For what it's worth, I strongly believe Luke is Palpatine-levels of powerful in Return of the Jedi. Statements by Yoda, Vader, and even Palpatine himself talk about how much raw power Luke has, and in the Return of the Jedi novelization, Sidious fears how powerful Luke truly is. I think Luke and Sidious would have the same FR, but Sidious has way more experience invested into Force powers.

12 hours ago, Underachiever599 said:

For what it's worth, I strongly believe Luke is Palpatine-levels of powerful in Return of the Jedi. Statements by Yoda, Vader, and even Palpatine himself talk about how much raw power Luke has, and in the Return of the Jedi novelization, Sidious fears how powerful Luke truly is. I think Luke and Sidious would have the same FR, but Sidious has way more experience invested into Force powers.

In game terms, though, Force Rating is more than just raw power, especially for PCs, where it is literally an expression of experience. For me, Palpatine was sensing raw potential, which is not something the game system defines.

In the game, any PC could theoretically get to FR 7 or higher, given enough XP; in the fiction, that power is rare, and only a few have that potential.

On 12/20/2017 at 10:00 AM, GroggyGolem said:

Since this is already a spoiler filled thread...

Just like the temple on Coruscant, the first Jedi temple on Ach-To was built atop a Dark Side Vergence cavern, as shown in the film.

It seems the Original Jedi Order wanted balance so much that they built their beacons of hope right over pits of darkness.

Seems to be a thing... isn't the Jedi Temple on Coruscant built over an older Sith temple?

(edit: huh? how on earth did I miss that this was already mentioned.... in the post I'm replying to... *sigh)

9 minutes ago, Silidus said:

Seems to be a thing... isn't the Jedi Temple on Coruscant built over an older Sith temple?

Look at the first 6 words of the 2nd paragraph on my post again.

On 12/16/2017 at 11:30 AM, BipolarJuice said:

Force Rating 4 is quite low; considering the insane Jedi Suljo Warde in Chronicles of the Gatekeeper was apprently just another run-of-the-mill Jedi Knight and had FR5, whereas Luke is supposed to be some sort of Force-powered God (one of the new books, which is canon, has Luke literally bouncing around in space without any breathing gear and tearing star destroyers from orbit with nothing more than a wave of his hands).

if you're referring to "the legends of Luke skywalker" those are not all 100% fact, but more like stories passed from person to person, some based on truth, but they get warped each time they are told. The book it self is told from the pov of a child slave going to canto bight, so he's not exactly a historian

On 12/20/2017 at 1:45 PM, Vondy said:

My feeling is that fans tend to ramp up the power levels for headlining characters beyond where they need to be.

My feeling is that the stuff we see on screen is never done with the mechanics of some game system in mind. So then fans have to try and make it fit the rules that someone, who had nothing to do with the movie, set in place. Which is a fruitless endeavor from the start.