Chopper

By Rettere, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Can Chopper eat an upgrade even if my shields are currently at full? Obviously I won't get my shields above their maximum... but what if I want to get rid of my Ywing title for example?

Based on precedent set with R5-P9 and Pulsed Ray Shield, no, you actually need to be able to resolve the effect in order to use it.

43 minutes ago, Rettere said:

Can Chopper eat an upgrade even if my shields are currently at full? Obviously I won't get my shields above their maximum... but what if I want to get rid of my Ywing title for example?

It's unusual that the card doesn't state "up to your maximum" like others that are similar. But this is also covered on page 17 of the rules.

9 minutes ago, Parravon said:

It's unusual that the card doesn't state "up to your maximum" like others that are similar. But this is also covered on page 17 of the rules.

Page 17 is probably why it doesn't have the extra language: it's part of the core rules now, so no need to state it on every card.

I'm not asking about exceeding the maximum.... I just want to know if I can eat an upgrade I'm tired of even if my opponent doesn't shoot at me first.

As I said above, R5-P9 and (more importantly to this question) Pulsed Ray Shield don't work unless you can recover a shield, and there's nothing to suggest Chopper should be treated differently.

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15 hours ago, Rettere said:

I'm not asking about exceeding the maximum.... I just want to know if I can eat an upgrade I'm tired of even if my opponent doesn't shoot at me first.

This is actually an interesting question. This has come up in one of my games where my opponent was running the Y-Wing title and want to ditch it. I wasn't targeting the Y-Wing purposefully to keep the title on it.

To use Chopper you must be able to recover a shield. Recovering a shield in X-Wing is to assign a shield token to your ship, a ship may not assign shield tokens such that the quantity of tokens exceeds its shield value.

In the same way that you may not (per FAQ rules) receive 1 ion token with the Pulsed Ray Shield in order to intentionally ionize yourself into a white 1 forward maneuver if you are at full shields, you may not discard 1 equipped Upgrade card with Chopper in order to intentionally remove your BTL-A4 Title.

As a fun tangent:

Contain the "up to your shield value" clause:

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Do NOT contain the "up to your shield value" clause:

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Did I miss any? o.O

The real question is:

Can you equip EM & Bomb Loadout in order to access 4 recoverable shields for 2 squad points? Extra Munitions and Bomb Loadout are both torpedo upgrade cards and both receive 1 EM token each from the EM upgrade card. If you perform the Chopper action and decide to discard Bomb Loadout, EM lets you discard the token instead. Then you can do it again (and really discard BL this time). And follow it up with twice to EM. That's a total of 3 squad points for 4 shields, no requirement to do greens and 1 squad point cheaper than R2-D2.

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The Real Chopper Question
25 minutes ago, ZealuxMyr said:

The real question is:

Can you equip EM & Bomb Loadout in order to access 4 recoverable shields for 2 squad points? Extra Munitions and Bomb Loadout are both torpedo upgrade cards and both receive 1 EM token each from the EM upgrade card. If you perform the Chopper action and decide to discard Bomb Loadout, EM lets you discard the token instead. Then you can do it again (and really discard BL this time). And follow it up with twice to EM. That's a total of 3 squad points for 4 shields, no requirement to do greens and 1 squad point cheaper than R2-D2.

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As it reads now, yes, you should be able to throw tokens on both these upgrades. But my personal feelings are that EM needs to be nerfed for these upgrades.

Looks like Horton better wear a seat belt then cause he's in for a bumpy (rocky) ride if my opponent decides not to shoot him....

16 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

As it reads now, yes, you should be able to throw tokens on both these upgrades. But my personal feelings are that EM needs to be nerfed for these upgrades.

lol no it doesn't; Chopper is nowhere near good enough to be crying nerf even on the best opped build for him.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

lol no it doesn't; Chopper is nowhere near good enough to be crying nerf even on the best opped build for him.

It's a personal preference. I'm allowed to think that you shouldn't get extra munitions for something that isn't munitions to begin with. It may not change, but it doesn't mean I can't disagree with it.

*shrug*

It's not broken, so why add extra exceptions for no particular reason?

23 hours ago, ZealuxMyr said:

The real question is:

Can you equip EM & Bomb Loadout in order to access 4 recoverable shields for 2 squad points? Extra Munitions and Bomb Loadout are both torpedo upgrade cards and both receive 1 EM token each from the EM upgrade card. If you perform the Chopper action and decide to discard Bomb Loadout, EM lets you discard the token instead. Then you can do it again (and really discard BL this time). And follow it up with twice to EM. That's a total of 3 squad points for 4 shields, no requirement to do greens and 1 squad point cheaper than R2-D2.

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Or the same 3 points cost as R5-P9, and unless you're facing Hotshot Copilot or some of the small number of other cards which strip or prevent focus tokens, you can get unlimited shields per game, presuming you live long enough. Chopper isn't bad, but it's not exactly new. EM on a Chopper Y-Wing when you've got some Munitions to Extra? Now that's delicious.

As was just said, it still make you loose your action, so it is kind of exactly like R5-P9. And R2-D2 does not make you loose your action.

Action are really important in this game, even for TLT. So Chopper have a cost.