26 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Both the Voss War Spear and Bartottan Electrolance explicitly state that they are one-handed weapons, specifically ones which also cannot be used with other weapons aside from a shield. they are both balanced for one-handed use only. In essence they are specifically designed to be used one handed in conjunction with a shield, much like the lances of old used in jousting .

(emphasis in italics mine).

Lances you say? In jousting? On horseback? They were indeed used single handed. On horseback.

Let me quote from How to Hold a Lance in Combat on Foot

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What’s the best way to hold a lance or spear when fighting on foot? A variety of fighting manuals illustrate its use in single combat. Typically, the hands are an arms length apart, so the point halfway between the hands is a useful point of comparison.

Still, you haven't quoted anything that says only one hand.

26 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Nowhere in that text does it say this weapon can be used two-handed. It repeatedly states that it is to be used with one hand. That is what it is designed and balanced for, not two-handed use, much like a javelin.

The Voss Warspear says pretty much the same thing in this regard. It is designed to be wielded in one hand .

The Standard, Precision, and Defensive lightsaber templates also are specifically stated to be one-handed weapons.

Again, one-handed. Not one-handed only. It's really the only word you need to quote at me. I'll even settle for a synonym. Of course, if you found a weapon where it says one handed use only , you'd be in the awkward position of having to explain why this phrasing is not present in regard to lightsabers. Man, it's almost like you're arguing an unwinnable point.

26 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

A rifle has a forward grip and is balanced for a two-handed use. Pistols don't have that. Pistols only have a pistol grip which accommodates one hand. The second hand can be used as a brace, but this doesn't provide any mechanical advantage. A rifle is specifically designed and requires a two-handed grip, with one hand on the pistol grip and the second hand on the forward grip under the barrel.

Right. Got it. I can use my second hand on a pistol, but I can't use it. It's a strictly one-handed weapon, even when held in two hands. Which it can't be according to RAW. That makes perfect sense. Well, I'm sure it does to someone. Wait, why can't I use my second hand on my lightsaber again?

Also, if we are going by your strict definitions, the pulse cannon does not have a forward grip, just a barrel, and is therefor not a rifle. I should get two and dual wield them, because you can't grip the barrel anyway. Or perhaps you can, but you can't.

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Both the Voss War Spear and Bartottan Electrolance explicitly state that they are one-handed weapons, specifically ones which also cannot be used with other weapons aside from a shield. they are both balanced for one-handed use only. In essence they are specifically designed to be used one handed in conjunction with a shield, much like the lances of old used in jousting.

To quote:

Nowhere in that text does it say this weapon can be used two-handed. It repeatedly states that it is to be used with one hand. That is what it is designed and balanced for, not two-handed use, much like a javelin.

The Voss Warspear says pretty much the same thing in this regard. It is designed to be wielded in one hand .

The Standard, Precision, and Defensive lightsaber templates also are specifically stated to be one-handed weapons.

A rifle has a forward grip and is balanced for a two-handed use. Pistols don't have that. Pistols only have a pistol grip which accommodates one hand. The second hand can be used as a brace, but this doesn't provide any mechanical advantage. A rifle is specifically designed and requires a two-handed grip, with one hand on the pistol grip and the second hand on the forward grip under the barrel.

Couldnt possibly be that the statement means that is minimum needed is 1 hand.

Tramp, where do you stand on the Earth being spherical or flat? Just checking.

9 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

A rifle has a forward grip and is balanced for a two-handed use. Pistols don't have that. Pistols only have a pistol grip which accommodates one hand. The second hand can be used as a brace, but this doesn't provide any mechanical advantage. A rifle is specifically designed and requires a two-handed grip, with one hand on the pistol grip and the second hand on the forward grip under the barrel.

Most of the artwork we have seen of rifles in the books, rifles we have seen in the movies and the games lack a forward grip under the barrel. We then have to conclude that they're not rifles but possibly carbines or pistols.

In fact a foreward grip is an attachement. You can find it on page 190 in Edge of Empire or 201 in Age of Rebellion. So I heavier blaster weapons aren't rifles unless they have that. **** shame for all those sniper weapons and heavier blaster weapons that don't get those. Guess they're still pistols since they only have a pistol grip. Oh well, off I go dual-wielding Pulse Cannons as RAW stated. Good thing too, since they're slow-firing, but now that I have two I don't need to care about that one anymore. Oh, and I can take them into engaged since they're pistols.

15 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:

Tramp, i hope that your not to blind to see that your example supports the point of view your arguing against. But in case you can't see it, in order to support that a particular weapon was exclusively one handed, as opposed to one or two with no game mechanical distinction, you would need to present a number of examples of of weapons being specifically called out as either one or two handed WITHOUT specific rules/different behavior in one verses two hands. So far you've got zero examples that support your argument, which means all extant examples are evidence AGAINST your point of view. Are you actually incapable of seeing that?

14 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I disagree. We only see two examples of weapons specifically called out as being interchangeably usable one or two handed, one being the Blaster Carbine and the other being a lightsaber with the extended hilt attachment . Pretty much every other weapon listed is as one or the other primarily (as is the case with lightsabers) in their template tables, Ranged Light weapons are one-handed weapons, Ranged Heavy weapons are two-handed (except carbines which are interchangeable at short range).

Or to put it more succinctly, yes you are too blind to see that all extant examples of weapons being called out as being one or two handed have different mechanics for one vs. two hands and hence one or two hands for them is NOT interchangeable for them because of the different mechanics , and as such no interchangeable usage of hands is called out in the game.

16 hours ago, LadySkywalker said:

As to the original post: I'm curious to know where and how the group came upon Obi-Wan's lightsaber. Care to share the undoubtedly interesting tale?

The story unfolded over a four-hour session, first time for the group, first time roleplaying for all but one of the six guys. It was awesome!

The group gathered on Baroonda to meet for a job. They were gathered there by Wiki Walstrom, a Sathari navigator, who formerly worked with the Pithy Grinders smuggling gang (rivals of some of the PCs). Wiki knew all the PCs, through reputation, rivalry, or mutual friends. He had a double job for them: the Pithy Grinders had gone too far, selling off into slavery the entire passenger contingent of a cruise liner they had captured, selling them to a strange alien species named the Vei Chei on Yavin III. The Vei Chei are a unique species - they look much like velociraptors with clothes and beards, and they're very sensitive to what they understand as anything to do with the Force. The Vei Chei's triumvirate leadership was split on whether to accept the slaves. Wiki thought they could be convinced to let the slaves go, and Wiki's conscience needed to be eased by this being accomplished. He thought the mixed group of talkers, bruisers, and budding Force sensitives could handle it, and he planned to get out of there and lay low on Ando Prime, so he couldn't do it himself; after all, once a Grinder, always a Grinder. In return, he offered to give the PCs coordinates and pass codes to a recently acquired ship hidden in a storage facility on Ord Ibanna, stolen by the Pithy Grinders. Their ship was crap, and everyone needed a job, so they went for it!

The second act involved the group planning and executing the ship heist on Ord Ibanna before heading to Yavin III.

On Yavin III, the group failed to convince the Vei Chei to give up their slaves, but they did agree to hear the PCs again if the two Force sensitives investigated a crash site in the middle of their colony. It emanated a Force presence that irritated the Vei Chei immensely. They agreed to undertake the task.

A little while after the Force sensitives had entered the crash site, the Pithy Grinders showed up - they'd tracked the stolen ship! Simultaneously, the slaves rose up violently with brutal force. The PCs had to make hard choices about who to support and how in this four-way battle! They chose to make a fighting retreat toward their ship, shooting only the PGs and trying to avoid the slave vs Vei Chei conflict.

Simultaneously, the Force Sensitives entered the wreck and made a series of physical and mental checks (Athletics, Discipline, Coordination, Vigilance, Resilience, and Cool were all involved). The mental checks involved encountering a dark presence that haunted them as they ventured through the wreck, taunting them with their best memories (one PC failed his check and his best memory of being accepted by his mentor was shown to be, in his mind at least, a false memory) and visions of their most-loved ones (the other PC failed this check and believes he saw a vision of the future where they will die). As they entered the bridge, passing decomposing skeletons in high-ranking Imperial Moff uniforms, one PC succumbed to strain just before a bright presence scattered the darkness. The other PC came upon a case (which, by the way, the other PC had seen earlier in a dark vision while using Foresee at a quiet moment on Ord Ibanna, which vision had confirmed for them they were drawn to something on Yavin III), and found inside the case Obi-wan's lightsaber! It turns out Vader had given Tarkin the weapon as a trophy for the Empire, and it had been taken along in Tarkin's private shuttle, which tried to escape the Death Star's destruction without him, but the explosion of which crashed the ship on Yavin III.

The one Force sensitive exited the ship, the other PC half passed out on his shoulder; as they left the wreck, they saw below them the pitched battle. One of the PCs below, a charmer, had just given a rousing speech; a moment later, the Force sensitive up above lifted Obi-wan's lightsaber in one hand (though I'd have allowed two if he wasn't guiding the other PC and wanted this) and ignited the blade. The Pithy Grinders had just retreated on their ship, and the slaves and Vei Chei seeing the saber and moved by the speech halted their battle.

The session ended there: the ship successfully stolen, the slaves freed, the Vei Chei spared, the Pithy Grinders forever enemies, the lightsaber found, and many tainted memories and dark visions to sort out. I can't wait for next session!

10 hours ago, Darth Revenant said:

Most of the artwork we have seen of rifles in the books, rifles we have seen in the movies and the games lack a forward grip under the barrel. We then have to conclude that they're not rifles but possibly carbines or pistols.

In fact a foreward grip is an attachement. You can find it on page 190 in Edge of Empire or 201 in Age of Rebellion. So I heavier blaster weapons aren't rifles unless they have that. **** shame for all those sniper weapons and heavier blaster weapons that don't get those. Guess they're still pistols since they only have a pistol grip. Oh well, off I go dual-wielding Pulse Cannons as RAW stated. Good thing too, since they're slow-firing, but now that I have two I don't need to care about that one anymore. Oh, and I can take them into engaged since they're pistols.

You’re referring to a forward pistol grip . I’m referring to the standard grip that wraps around the barrel of a rifle, also known as the fore stock .

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

You’re referring to a forward pistol grip . I’m referring to the standard grip that wraps around the barrel of a rifle, also known as the fore stock .

Does this thing have a foreward grip? Because the books don't say it needs two hands, and it says that specifically for weapons like a vibro-axe and a electrostaff. Although funnily enough it doesn't say that for lightsaber pikes or dualbladed lightsabers. Anyway, back to the question at hand. Is this a one-handed or a two-handed weapon?

22 minutes ago, Darth Revenant said:

Does this thing have a foreward grip? Because the books don't say it needs two hands, and it says that specifically for weapons like a vibro-axe and a electrostaff. Although funnily enough it doesn't say that for lightsaber pikes or dualbladed lightsabers. Anyway, back to the question at hand. Is this a one-handed or a two-handed weapon?

Actually the book does say that Ranged Heavy weapons specifically require two hands. The Blaster Carbine is the only exception to this because it explicitly states as much. Thus, all rifles are two-handed weapons by RAW.

Just now, Tramp Graphics said:

Actually the book does say that Ranged Heavy weapons specifically require two hands. The Blaster Carbine is the only exception to their because it explicitly states as much. Thus, all rifles are two-handed weapons by RAW.

But there is no place for your second hand, as we can see there is no place on the grip. So one would at best brace it, which you previously mentioned isn't the same as using two hands on the weapon.

1 minute ago, Darth Revenant said:

But there is no place for your second hand, as we can see there is no place on the grip. So one would at best brace it, which you previously mentioned isn't the same as using two hands on the weapon.

Yes, there is. It has a fore stock, which is what is used as a forward grip. You also have the section right in front of the trigger. It should also be noted that this particular weapon would typically be mounted on a tripod.

As for the double bladed lightsaber and lightsaber pike, both weapons are indeed listed as t wo-handed weapons in their template listings in Endless Vigil .

8 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yes, there is. It has a fore stock, which is what is used as a forward grip. You also have the section right in front of the trigger. It should also be noted that this particular weapon would typically be mounted on a tripod.

As for the double bladed lightsaber and lightsaber pike, both weapons are indeed listed as t wo-handed weapons in their template listings in Endless Vigil .

But they weren't before Endless Vigil, so would those two be one-handed weapons then? Could I, before Endless Vigil have played a character dual wielding dual bladed lightsabers?

6 hours ago, andynorton said:

The story unfolded over a four-hour session, first time for the group, first time roleplaying for all but one of the six guys. It was awesome!

The group gathered on Baroonda to meet for a job. They were gathered there by Wiki Walstrom, a Sathari navigator, who formerly worked with the Pithy Grinders smuggling gang (rivals of some of the PCs). Wiki knew all the PCs, through reputation, rivalry, or mutual friends. He had a double job for them: the Pithy Grinders had gone too far, selling off into slavery the entire passenger contingent of a cruise liner they had captured, selling them to a strange alien species named the Vei Chei on Yavin III. The Vei Chei are a unique species - they look much like velociraptors with clothes and beards, and they're very sensitive to what they understand as anything to do with the Force. The Vei Chei's triumvirate leadership was split on whether to accept the slaves. Wiki thought they could be convinced to let the slaves go, and Wiki's conscience needed to be eased by this being accomplished. He thought the mixed group of talkers, bruisers, and budding Force sensitives could handle it, and he planned to get out of there and lay low on Ando Prime, so he couldn't do it himself; after all, once a Grinder, always a Grinder. In return, he offered to give the PCs coordinates and pass codes to a recently acquired ship hidden in a storage facility on Ord Ibanna, stolen by the Pithy Grinders. Their ship was crap, and everyone needed a job, so they went for it!

The second act involved the group planning and executing the ship heist on Ord Ibanna before heading to Yavin III.

On Yavin III, the group failed to convince the Vei Chei to give up their slaves, but they did agree to hear the PCs again if the two Force sensitives investigated a crash site in the middle of their colony. It emanated a Force presence that irritated the Vei Chei immensely. They agreed to undertake the task.

A little while after the Force sensitives had entered the crash site, the Pithy Grinders showed up - they'd tracked the stolen ship! Simultaneously, the slaves rose up violently with brutal force. The PCs had to make hard choices about who to support and how in this four-way battle! They chose to make a fighting retreat toward their ship, shooting only the PGs and trying to avoid the slave vs Vei Chei conflict.

Simultaneously, the Force Sensitives entered the wreck and made a series of physical and mental checks (Athletics, Discipline, Coordination, Vigilance, Resilience, and Cool were all involved). The mental checks involved encountering a dark presence that haunted them as they ventured through the wreck, taunting them with their best memories (one PC failed his check and his best memory of being accepted by his mentor was shown to be, in his mind at least, a false memory) and visions of their most-loved ones (the other PC failed this check and believes he saw a vision of the future where they will die). As they entered the bridge, passing decomposing skeletons in high-ranking Imperial Moff uniforms, one PC succumbed to strain just before a bright presence scattered the darkness. The other PC came upon a case (which, by the way, the other PC had seen earlier in a dark vision while using Foresee at a quiet moment on Ord Ibanna, which vision had confirmed for them they were drawn to something on Yavin III), and found inside the case Obi-wan's lightsaber! It turns out Vader had given Tarkin the weapon as a trophy for the Empire, and it had been taken along in Tarkin's private shuttle, which tried to escape the Death Star's destruction without him, but the explosion of which crashed the ship on Yavin III.

The one Force sensitive exited the ship, the other PC half passed out on his shoulder; as they left the wreck, they saw below them the pitched battle. One of the PCs below, a charmer, had just given a rousing speech; a moment later, the Force sensitive up above lifted Obi-wan's lightsaber in one hand (though I'd have allowed two if he wasn't guiding the other PC and wanted this) and ignited the blade. The Pithy Grinders had just retreated on their ship, and the slaves and Vei Chei seeing the saber and moved by the speech halted their battle.

The session ended there: the ship successfully stolen, the slaves freed, the Vei Chei spared, the Pithy Grinders forever enemies, the lightsaber found, and many tainted memories and dark visions to sort out. I can't wait for next session!

That is awesome! Makes it feel like trawling through pages of arguing was worth it in the end.

55 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yes, there is. It has a fore stock, which is what is used as a forward grip. You also have the section right in front of the trigger.

Oh man, do I feel stupid now. You can use the fore stock/barrel shroud as a forward grip! I can also grip just ahead of the trigger guard! Why didn't I think of that! Of course I need two hands for the Pulse Cannon! But tell me Trampy, why does the same arguments not apply to this weapon...

...when it is exactly how it's used in Episode IV?

It does seem, that by your arguments, I can use it in both hands, despite there not being enough space for both hands on the grip.

Hey wait, a minute, you just argued that a weapon can be held in two hands despite both hands not being on the grip! Make up your mind, dude! I want to play my game RAW, and you keep changing what's written! Does FFG know?

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

It should also be noted that this particular weapon would typically be mounted on a tripod.

I checked both Forged in Battle and Wookieepedia (Legends and Canon) and there was no mention of tripods. Maybe you have better sources than that? I didn't check the outer solar system, but maybe I should, because it seems like a factoid originating from Uranus.

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@andynorton That sounds awesome! I love the little details about how it ended up on Yavin!

4 hours ago, penpenpen said:

Oh man, do I feel stupid now. You can use the fore stock/barrel shroud as a forward grip! I can also grip just ahead of the trigger guard! Why didn't I think of that! Of course I need two hands for the Pulse Cannon! But tell me Trampy, why does the same arguments not apply to this weapon...

...when it is exactly how it's used in Episode IV?

It does seem, that by your arguments, I can use it in both hands, despite there not being enough space for both hands on the grip.

Hey wait, a minute, you just argued that a weapon can be held in two hands despite both hands not being on the grip! Make up your mind, dude! I want to play my game RAW, and you keep changing what's written! Does FFG know?

I checked both Forged in Battle and Wookieepedia (Legends and Canon) and there was no mention of tripods. Maybe you have better sources than that? I didn't check the outer solar system, but maybe I should, because it seems like a factoid originating from Uranus.

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@andynorton That sounds awesome! I love the little details about how it ended up on Yavin!

The fore stock on a rifle is intended for use as a foreword grip by design. This is also true for carbines. It is not typically true for pistols.

15 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

The fore stock on a rifle is intended for use as a foreword grip by design. This is also true for carbines. It is not typically true for pistols.

No, don't try to weasel out of this with vague statements. What exactly on the pulse cannon is by design a foregrip that the DH-17 lacks? Why does the rebel trooper holding the pistol in exactly the way you described the pulse cannon should be held not count as using both hands?

I will even give you an answer to quote verbatim if you really want out of this mess with a measure of dignity intact: "All I've ever meant by RAW making two handed use impossible is that it gives no mechanical benefit. Anything else was poor wording on my part."

Or you can keep shoveling your male bovine excrement and pretend you have a leg to stand on. While it's hilarious to see you fall over in it again and again, I'm starting to worry that at some point you'll faceplant so hard that you'd risk drowning in your own... metaphor.

The part of that light repeating blaster, or whatever that rifle is, that surrounds the barrel is the fore stock. That is intended to be gripped. All rifles and carbines have some form of fore stock to grip because they are too long to shoot one-handed. The DH-17, being a pistol, doesn’t have a fore stock; the troopers in that shot are holding the barrel itself, not a smart thing to do.

And yet they do it. Trained Rebels hold "the barrel itself", and even fire upon the boarding stormtroopers using that exact same hand placement... and it works. Their hands don't fall off, or combust, and their shots are released without a hitch. In short, they fire successfully using a two-handed grip on a "one-handed" weapon .

So, in short, PCs can handle "one-handed" weapons with two-hands if they want to, unless the rules SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THEY CANNOT, provided they don't receive some mechanic benefit from doing so. Why? Because it's a game, and people have bought it to play said game however best makes for fun times. And if the movies or movie pictures show weapons being held two-handed, and the players want to emulate that, then NO-ONE outside of that game can tell them to do it otherwise.

2 minutes ago, LadySkywalker said:

And yet they do it. Trained Rebels hold "the barrel itself", and even fire upon the boarding stormtroopers using that exact same hand placement... and it works. Their hands don't fall off, or combust, and their shots are released without a hitch. In short, they fire successfully using a two-handed grip on a "one-handed" weapon .

No, but there is the very strong possibility of them burning their forward hands by doing so.

And yet they don't burn them. Watch the film. The only thing that burns them is when they get shot by stormtroopers.

So, to reiterate my point: play the game how you want, and I'll play it how I want. And in mine, players can use two hands to steady blaster pistols if they want to describe it that way, and they can wield basic lightsabers one-handed or two, just like in the films which all of this **** is based off of anyways .

1 minute ago, LadySkywalker said:

And yet they don't burn them. Watch the film. The only thing that burns them is when they get shot by stormtroopers.

So, to reiterate my point: play the game how you want, and I'll play it how I want. And in mine, players can use two hands to steady blaster pistols if they want to describe it that way, and they can wield basic lightsabers one-handed two, just like in the films which all of this **** is based off of anyways .

There is a key difference between the Ranged Light weapons and lightsaber weapons though. On page 161, under Ranged (Light) it says:

Light Ranged weapons are those that

can generally be wielded in one hand, such as a blaster pistol or other handgun. Light Ranged weapons also include one-handed thrown weapons such as bolas, knives, and grenades.

The text specifically states that pistols generally can be used with one hand. while also covering explicitly one-handed weapons, such as knives and grenades, which can only be wielded and with one hand.

By contrast, the standard, precision, and defensive lightsaber templates are specifically as one-handed weapons, just like knives, bolas, and grenades. As such, they are explicitly one-handed weapons only unless they have been specific modified to fit a two-handed grip, such as through the Extended Hilt attachment or two-handed option on the table on page 87 of Endless Vigil .

1 hour ago, LadySkywalker said:

So, to reiterate my point: play the game how you want, and I'll play it how I want. And in mine, players can use two hands to steady blaster pistols if they want to describe it that way, and they can wield basic lightsabers one-handed or two, just like in the films which all of this **** is based off of anyways .

Just going to leave this here. And walk away. Later, folks!

On 2017-12-29 at 11:24 PM, Tramp Graphics said:

Actually the book does say that Ranged Heavy weapons specifically require two hands. The Blaster Carbine is the only exception to this because it explicitly states as much. Thus, all rifles are two-handed weapons by RAW.

Got a bit bored and decided to reread the part where they require two hands.

It says that they must generally be wielded in, or be directed, by two hands. Generally is not the same as in all cases though, when something is generally done a certain way it doesn't mean it's always done that way.

Also ranged heavy involves thrown axes and spears. Now I have seen people throw axes in a two-handed grip, I have even done so myself. But i have also seen them be thrown one-handed and done so myself. Never seen someone throw a spear two-handed though, not even sure how you would do such a thing.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

As such, they are explicitly one-handed weapons only unless they have been specific modified to fit a two-handed grip, such as through the Extended Hilt attachment or two-handed option on the table on page 87 of Endless Vigil .

You mean like Ezra's lightsaber that's:

On 2017-12-28 at 2:14 AM, Tramp Graphics said:

lightsaber hilts which absolutely could not accommodate two hands

Well... I don't need to post that pic again.

The thing is, that you have posted zero reason for why you can't support your main hand with your off hand on a lightsaber and even conceeded the point on pistols. ****, even Dooku takes the occasional two handed swing with his lightsaber.

And Yoda grips his exceptionally short saber/shoto with both hands, despite RAW making no such exception for Sil 0 characters. And it's clearly shorter than Ahsokas shoto, so even if hers is extended, his clearly isn't. So if you want to prove this one-handed only according to RAW, and that every saber with the possibility of two handed use is extended, well, show me a shorter saber than Yoda's, preferrably with a basket hilt that stops you from gripping with one hand over the other.

Also, there's this gem :

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Q : Double/Staff Sabers; can they be wielded in one-hand? Much of the fiction and media I've seen seems to indicate it (General Krell) and it does NOT say "Requires Two Hands" in the description.

Samuel Stewart: Yes, a double-bladed lightsaber can be wielded one-handed. You could potentially dual-wield them, but besides the significant costs involved, your GM is more than welcome to rule that trying to control four lightsaber blades with two hands is going to result on several Setback dice being added to all of your combat checks.

While discussing the crafting rules from Endless Vigil earlier in the same answer, so he's perfectly aware of them. So, by the devs, "two-handed" does not mean "only and always this amount of hands, no exception", but feel free to argue that "one handed" does.

And, hey, why not a pic:

I call your bluff and raise you one Pong Krell.

16 minutes ago, Darth Revenant said:

Got a bit bored and decided to reread the part where they require two hands.

It says that they must generally be wielded in, or be directed, by two hands. Generally is not the same as in all cases though, when something is generally done a certain way it doesn't mean it's always done that way.

Also ranged heavy involves thrown axes and spears. Now I have seen people throw axes in a two-handed grip, I have even done so myself. But i have also seen them be thrown one-handed and done so myself. Never seen someone throw a spear two-handed though, not even sure how you would do such a thing.

The reason why the Ranged Heavy passage says “generally” must be wielded with two hands is because there is that one exception with carbines, which are explicitly stated to be usable with one hand at short range. In all other instances, Ranged Heavy weapons require two hands.

10 minutes ago, penpenpen said:

You mean like Ezra's lightsaber that's:

Well... I don't need to post that pic again.

The thing is, that you have posted zero reason for why you can't support your main hand with your off hand on a lightsaber and even conceeded the point on pistols. ****, even Dooku takes the occasional two handed swing with his lightsaber.

And Yoda grips his exceptionally short saber/shoto with both hands, despite RAW making no such exception for Sil 0 characters. And it's clearly shorter than Ahsokas shoto, so even if hers is extended, his clearly isn't. So if you want to prove this one-handed only according to RAW, and that every saber with the possibility of two handed use is extended, well, show me a shorter saber than Yoda's, preferrably with a basket hilt that stops you from gripping with one hand over the other.

Also, there's this gem :

While discussing Endless Vigil in the same answer. So, by the devs, "two-handed" does not mean "only and always this amount of hands, no exception", but feel free to argue that "one handed" does.

And, hey, why not a pic:

An extended hilt attachment is likely a common modification, though not necessarily a universal one since the range of hilt lengths do cover hilts of 20 cm (less than 8”)which are short enough that they could only reasonably be gripped with only one hand, as well as 30 cm (over 12”) hilts which easily fit a two-handed grip. Obi-Wan’s hilt is a 30 cm hilt. As are quite a few other lightsaber hilts. Those are ones with the Extended Hilt attachment. As for Yoda, for his size, we could conclude a similarly scaled version of that attachment as well, whereas a similarly sized hilt built by a humans sized person would be without the attachment in question.