1 minute ago, Hobojebus said:

But i didnt read starwars comics as a kid and didnt touch my first novel until the late 90's and never found any issue with the charecters as portrayed in the films, but i do with TLJ.

I haven't read any of the mouseverse books and have no intention of ever doing so after reading reviews, so the only thing thats relevent to me is the film portrayal.

it never botheed you that luke switched to black and where he got his new lightsaber from in ROTJ?

31 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:

I see nothing in TFA which Poe as he is at the start of TLJ would have done differently.

Precisely. They're the same character entirely.

The whole tooling part at the beginning is an extension of his conversation with Kylo Ren. People like to say TLJ doesnt carry on what TFA sets up, it does, it just pulls it away from being the Original Trilogy 2.0.

That's really what many of the haters want, not all but many or the EU 2.0 Unfortunately for them Disney is moving Star Wars the direction they are, somewhere new after thousands of books and games and shows. Something new! That's incredible.

To me all the old stuff that I like still exists and in my head canon the Thrawn Trilogy still happened a few years after Jakku and the Rogue Squadron books and comics all occurred in the year between Endor and Jakku.

6 minutes ago, Forresto said:

To me all the old stuff that I like still exists and in my head canon the Thrawn Trilogy still happened a few years after Jakku and the Rogue Squadron books and comics all occurred in the year between Endor and Jakku.

You know, the Chiss are still out there in the unknown regions … the first order is there in the unknown regions … Thrawn gets send back to the unknown regions …

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

You know, the Chiss are still out there in the unknown regions … the first order is there in the unknown regions … Thrawn gets send back to the unknown regions …

Old man Thrawn? Oh i'm waiting for it to happen, if not in the films in a comic or book. It'd be so cool to see him either join up with the FO or maintain the Chiss's autonomy from FO incursions.

9 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Precisely. They're the same character entirely.

The whole tooling part at the beginning is an extension of his conversation with Kylo Ren. People like to say TLJ doesnt carry on what TFA sets up, it does, it just pulls it away from being the Original Trilogy 2.0.

That's really what many of the haters want, not all but many or the EU 2.0 Unfortunately for them Disney is moving Star Wars the direction they are, somewhere new after thousands of books and games and shows. Something new! That's incredible.

To me all the old stuff that I like still exists and in my head canon the Thrawn Trilogy still happened a few years after Jakku and the Rogue Squadron books and comics all occurred in the year between Endor and Jakku.

Great perspective. I cannot like this post enough.

Also, my head canon redoes the prequels with two edits:

1. Somebody told Natalie Portman that her weird flat-affect princess vibe wasn't working

2. An actor with Darth Vader sized shoulders and attitude played Anakin. I personally want this to be Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson.

2 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Old man Thrawn? Oh i'm waiting for it to happen, if not in the films in a comic or book. It'd be so cool to see him either join up with the FO or maintain the Chiss's autonomy from FO incursions.

+1

The Resistance might need some help. A powerful anti-FO Imperial remnant might be a great plot twist. Also, I think if Thrawn became Rey's new adopted dad and taught her how to be a general, she'd be completely and utterly unbeatable.

20 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Precisely. They're the same character entirely.

The whole tooling part at the beginning is an extension of his conversation with Kylo Ren. People like to say TLJ doesnt carry on what TFA sets up, it does, it just pulls it away from being the Original Trilogy 2.0.

That's really what many of the haters want, not all but many or the EU 2.0 Unfortunately for them Disney is moving Star Wars the direction they are, somewhere new after thousands of books and games and shows. Something new! That's incredible.

To me all the old stuff that I like still exists and in my head canon the Thrawn Trilogy still happened a few years after Jakku and the Rogue Squadron books and comics all occurred in the year between Endor and Jakku.

It doesn't carry on the spirit of what TFA was setting up. I personally like that but I can see why others wouldn't. I've seen one article describe it as a great film but a terrible Star Wars film and maybe there's something in that.

Personally I'm wondering if there's much correlation between people who love TLJ and people who think KotOR II is the best Star Wars RPG.

10 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

+1

The Resistance might need some help. A powerful anti-FO Imperial remnant might be a great plot twist. Also, I think if Thrawn became Rey's new adopted dad and taught her how to be a general, she'd be completely and utterly unbeatable.

Rey could become the next Samurai Jack. I don't know how familiar you are with that, but essentially after an evil demon lord called Aku wrecks and conquers Jack's country, Jack goes around the world learning all these different skills and ways of war so he can return and defeat Aku.

I'd get behind that.

14 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

+1

The Resistance might need some help. A powerful anti-FO Imperial remnant might be a great plot twist. Also, I think if Thrawn became Rey's new adopted dad and taught her how to be a general, she'd be completely and utterly unbeatable.

I can't see why an Imperial remnant would be anti-FO. The First Order is the Empire reascendant.

4 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:

It doesn't carry on the spirit of what TFA was setting up. I personally like that but I can see why others wouldn't. I've seen one article describe it as a great film but a terrible Star Wars film and maybe there's something in that.

Personally I'm wondering if there's much correlation between people who love TLJ and people who think KotOR II is the best Star Wars RPG.

In terms of tone or spirit you're absolutely right. I meant more the characters themselves remain the same from the two movies.

That would be curious to know. I myself have never played KOTOR II because i've heard its incomplete without a revamp mod and i'm bat programming.

3 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:

I can't see why an Imperial remnant would be anti-FO. The First Order is the Empire reascendant.

It's unlikely that it would happen, I agree. But a lot of Imperials don't really feel comfortable with the Force, and would far rather be ruled by a competent general than a petulant Force prodigy like Kylo. If they'd already survived for 30 years, a lot of Imperials would feel that the First Order were pretenders. I'm going off of Legacy here (which is kind of, you know, bad... it's probably why Dark Horse lost their Star Wars liscence), but in those comics the remains of Fel's Empire are opposed to the Sith Empire that Darth Krayt forms. The reason is that Krayt's Empire is formed by taking over the Republic, which Fel had already been fighting. Similarly, the First Order are kind of doing a diplomatic takeover of the Republic, so they'll probably still be enemies with any other groups the Republic was fighting. So yes, it's unlikely, but I'm willing to bet Thrawn wouldn't take kindly to the First Order and the First Order would almost certainly want to get rid of him (due to their xenophobia and Kylo's petty feuds with any competent leaders). As a response, Thrawn's loyal troops would probably side with him and fight the First Order.

12 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:

I can't see why an Imperial remnant would be anti-FO. The First Order is the Empire reascendant.

The chiss might simply gathered some of them more quickly AND have a beef with Snoke for example. Snoke attacking the chiss ascendancy would make Thrawn go with his people without a shadow of a doubt imho.
Though to be honest, having Thrawn back for this sounds more like a good fanfiction/fanservice episode instead of something which progresses star wars. Cool and all, but I don't see much NEW story potential there.

(This is meant in context that the chiss and parts of the imperial remnants might be already at war with the first order somewhere in the unknown region and that was the whole reason for the first order attacking now. because they needed to expand for this real enemy. Still total fan wankfest)

Is he likely to survive Rebels? It has Ruhk in it now.

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In terms of tone or spirit you're absolutely right. I meant more the characters themselves remain the same from the two movies.

That would be curious to know. I myself have never played KOTOR II because i've heard its incomplete without a revamp mod and i'm bat programming.

The Restored Content mod is good but it's by no means essential and has its drawbacks. I actually wouldn't recommend it on the first run.

22 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Rey could become the next Samurai Jack. I don't know how familiar you are with that, but essentially after an evil demon lord called Aku wrecks and conquers Jack's country, Jack goes around the world learning all these different skills and ways of war so he can return and defeat Aku.

I'd get behind that.

The last installment of the Samurai Jack saga was fantastic.

4 minutes ago, Firespray-32 said:

Is he likely to survive Rebels? It has Ruhk in it now.

The Restored Content mod is good but it's by no means essential and has its drawbacks. I actually wouldn't recommend it on the first run.

I will have to definitely play it then as I love KOTOR 1, which is the only major era of canon i'm genuinely sad is gone (others I still include in my head canon).

1 hour ago, Ralgon said:

it never botheed you that luke switched to black and where he got his new lightsaber from in ROTJ?

No Vader has a line about him constructing it, and it makes sense a son would emulate the father In an effort to feel closer, clearly there's the emotional connection there because he thinks Vader can be saved.

41 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

No Vader has a line about him constructing it, and it makes sense a son would emulate the father In an effort to feel closer, clearly there's the emotional connection there because he thinks Vader can be saved.

without plans, knowledge or components (most importantly the kyber crystal) and noone to show him how? That explains about as much as a sunken xwing.......

Edit: this is where i don't get a lot of the hate. Yes it's a different direction, but in a lot of ways storytelling that's just accepted in the previous films is merciless hated upon here. TLJ is a long way from perfect, but it's just as far away from what it's being made out to be in a lot of respects as well.

16 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

without plans, knowledge or components (most importantly the kyber crystal) and noone to show him how? That explains about as much as a sunken xwing.......

In the context of the film things like The crystals don't matter. The light saber itself is just a visual metaphor that Luke has the qualification to be a Jedi. The comment from Vader is just confirmation. It's the same as when Luke visits Yoda and the little guy says he doesn't need anymore training.

I also don't remember kyber crystals being mentioned in the original trilogy. It's sort like how the Emperor says that a light saber is a Jedi weapon: something of the original films that's twisted by expanded lore or other material.

1 hour ago, Firespray-32 said:

I can't see why an Imperial remnant would be anti-FO. The First Order is the Empire reascendant.

Unhinged Kylo Ren may not be the most unifying of Supreme Leaders...

As long as there is no super weapon, merely a massive fleet vs fleet engagement, I will be happy.

I just want to see the Royal Guard dudes/dudettes cleaving their way through Resistance soldiers.

But noooooooo, this is FRIGGIN DISNEY, how DARE you tease a "bad guys win" scenario?

THE GOOD GUYS ALWAYS WIN.

9 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

Unhinged Kylo Ren may not be the most unifying of Supreme Leaders...

As long as there is no super weapon, merely a massive fleet vs fleet engagement, I will be happy.

But this is the problem, with the sheer online hate and lack of money coming in i full expect jj to be told he must do to ep 9 what he did with TFA using rotj as a template and then we get some BS rubbish about rey's parentage reveal being a lie and being related to hux/phasma as a stand in for vader or worse yet rey being related to kylo and snoke somehow surviving......

Well, we should still have the Knights of Ren for IX. That is about the only mystery box that Rian left for JJ.

Mark Hammil Loves the Last Jedi

Mark Hammil sets the record straight.

As I thought his words were propped up by haters to reinforce their beliefs then reveal his actual thoughts on the matter.

Just now, Ralgon said:

But this is the problem, with the sheer online hate and lack of money coming in i full expect jj to be told he must do to ep 9 what he did with TFA using rotj as a template and then we get some BS rubbish about rey being related to hux/phasma as a stand in for vader or worse yet rey being related to kylo and snoke somehow surviving......

If Disney, LFL, or Kathleen Kennedy were that swayed by online hate, they would never have tossed out the EU.

5 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

If Disney, LFL, or Kathleen Kennedy were that swayed by online hate, they would never have tossed out the EU.

That was different, they didn't have a direct stake in the creation of the old EU, and doing it gave them creative freedom going forward.