26 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Major systems in days in rather tough to believe though, considering those same systems are likely to be the ones that have their own militia ships and fleets. No, I don't buy the timeline. Either the scale is wrong or the timeline is or there is some vital bit of information lacking to explain it. While it could be the latter, the story group thus far has proved inadequate at getting the first two things right. They'll likely have to fluff it over in some secondary source of information later.

Well, according to Bloodline, a lot of those systems would likely have joined up with the First Order at the first excuse.

16 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

What happens after the next movie is anyone's guess but I'm sure Disney didn't spend $4 billion to stop making good movies.

The beauty of Star Wars is that it's free money, because it's "Too-Big-To-Fail" cinema. There are people on this very thread saying they disliked the film and they'll only see it once or twice more in theaters... Besides, I'm sure Disney has already made back that $4 billion and more just on sales of licensed Star Wars crap (mugs, calendars, toys, clothing, dog bowls, car decals, clocks, wall art, stickers, pens, backbacks, bags, food, pillows, bedding, medicine, toothpaste, .... seriously, you'd be hard pressed to walk down an aisle at a big box store and not find a Star Wars item in it).

Disney doesn't have to make good Star Wars movies, they just have to make Star Wars movies that aren't the space-opera equivalent of "The Room" and they'll keep making money. If Disney wanted to make really good movies, they wouldn't be forcing productions to get a new movie out each year, even as directors leave and/or express interest in having more time. Think of how differently received TFA might have been if they'd have had the time/resources to include the big space battle between Resistance Fleet and First Order fleet over Starkiller base instead of having to settle with "well Han'll just hyperspace through the shield..." They also wouldn't be churning out trilogies so quickly without having any idea about how all three films will connect or relate to one another.

I mean, just imagine how much better it coudl have been if they had had the time and budget to cut out the frakking porgs instead of compromising the movie because they couldn't paint out the puffins.

Well, okay, Disney doesn't have to keep making good Star Wars movies....

...except they do, and I'd say they have.

Any great IP might take time to deteriorate, and we've all seen slow falls from mega enterprises, enough to know it may take time, but it can happen.

However, I'd argue that it is not happening here. Now, I'm not saying that someone should go like a movie they do not like. Movies are very personal, and tastes, and so on. But I would say that I remember all of a certain group of people hating on The Force Awakens, and then hating on Rogue One, and now hating on The Last Jedi.

If a person has hated every single one of the last three movies Disney did, I'd guess at this point they are in the minority, not that Disney is making money only because Star Wars is too big to fail. Star Wars, in general, is doing fine, and we all have the things we like and don't, but I only see the movies continuing to be very successful, and making most people happy, and yes that's aside from my own personal opinion of loving them all. I'm a fan, not everyone is such a fan, but I believe that people have mostly liked what Disney has done overall and it continues to show in that they keep seeing the movies.

That does have something to do with that they are good, even if personally people have dislikes about them. Or maybe some don't like any of them at all.

15 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I mean, just imagine how much better it coudl have been if they had had the time and budget to cut out the frakking porgs instead of compromising the movie because they couldn't paint out the puffins.

Oh, come ON. The Porgs were one of the best parts of the bloody movie!

10 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

3.5km vs 60km
In Rogue one we had iirc one GR-75 crashing into an ISD, so 100m vs 1600m. 16x3.5km = 56km ;-)

It still only a minor issue, not a problem with the plot, but with the world building. And it was not handled well in RO either.

The transport that rammed into Vaders ISD was not yet moving at lightspeed. It was just there, the ISD shows up maybe 50-100ft in front of it, and it's sublight momentum carries it into the collision.

1:34 for relevant bit.

8 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Oh, come ON. The Porgs were one of the best parts of the bloody movie!

Did you go for a pee during the Rey/Kylo versus red guards fight or something?

26 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

The beauty of Star Wars is that it's free money, because it's "Too-Big-To-Fail" cinema.

Yep, just like the Transformers movies. They keep getting worst and worst but no change is made because they get the job done. The job being making $$$ more than satisfying the audience.

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Did you go for a pee during the Rey/Kylo versus red guards fight or something?

Nope. It couldn't hold a candle to Chewie's lunch scene - and that was only beaten by the walrus milking.

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

Nope. It couldn't hold a candle to Chewie's lunch scene - and that was only beaten by the walrus milking.

Sarcasm, the sharpest sword of the hopeless.

18 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Oh, come ON. The Porgs were one of the best parts of the bloody movie!

Agreed. They were the one joke that was meant to be a joke, as opposed to a dramatic build-up that was turned into a joke because nobody had a good answer.

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Did you go for a pee during the Rey/Kylo versus red guards fight or something?

Why does every body think that fight was so great??

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan and Darth Maul vs. Obi+QuiGonn were way better.

29 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

However, I'd argue that it is not happening here. Now, I'm not saying that someone should go like a movie they do not like. Movies are very personal, and tastes, and so on. But I would say that I remember all of a certain group of people hating on The Force Awakens, and then hating on Rogue One, and now hating on The Last Jedi.

I think we all have to remember the vacuum that was 1983-1999 and again 2003 to now.

Be grateful SW is on the big screen, and likely to be so annually for the foreseeable future.

That's a very good thing.

As true today as it was before...

Just now, Darth Meanie said:

Why does every body think that fight was so great??

Anakin vs. Obi-Wan and Darth Maul vs. Obi+QuiGonn were way better.

Have to disagree there. Anakin vs. Obi-wan was a heavily choreographed mess and dragged on way too long. It looked more like they were dancing than fighting for their lives. Maul vs. Qui-Gon is great, but the score helps a lot. The Praetorian Guard fight is just a whole nother level.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Sarcasm, the sharpest sword of the hopeless.

Who was being sarcastic? I laughed my head off and applauded!

17 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Have to disagree there. Anakin vs. Obi-wan was a heavily choreographed mess and dragged on way too long. It looked more like they were dancing than fighting for their lives. Maul vs. Qui-Gon is great, but the score helps a lot. The Praetorian Guard fight is just a whole nother level.

What makes it worse is there's no stakes you know obiwan won't get hurt, you know whineakin crywalker will get burnt and dismembered there's no point at all in dragging it out so long.

Its why prequels suck so much you know whoever's in the original is safe and so there's zero tension.

25 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Have to disagree there. Anakin vs. Obi-wan was a heavily choreographed mess and dragged on way too long. It looked more like they were dancing than fighting for their lives. Maul vs. Qui-Gon is great, but the score helps a lot. The Praetorian Guard fight is just a whole nother level.

Disagree/agree: there's some interesting moments and some facepalm moments. This is a tongue in cheek review of that fight but enlightening nonetheless:

1 hour ago, KelRiever said:

However, I'd argue that it is not happening here. Now, I'm not saying that someone should go like a movie they do not like. Movies are very personal, and tastes, and so on. But I would say that I remember all of a certain group of people hating on The Force Awakens, and then hating on Rogue One, and now hating on The Last Jedi.

It seem to me more like that the guys who liked TFA and RO are not liking this one, while those who didn't get warm with TFA, really like this one.

Now there are the few lunatics who hate everything disney, including Rebels by Filoni. But those are classic tin-foil head dip-**** crazy people who claim as well that the TLJ reviews from all the major critiques are manipulated while the user ratings which get review bombed are the actually true state of things.

56 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:

The transport that rammed into Vaders ISD was not yet moving at lightspeed. It was just there, the ISD shows up maybe 50-100ft in front of it, and it's sublight momentum carries it into the collision

1:34 for relevant bit.

Thanks for correcting me.
When I watched the movie, it seems to me like a few of the ships going to hyperspace did hit Vader's ship as well. It was one of my nitpicks about the movie and it seems like you are the first who corrected me on that.

12 minutes ago, Babaganoosh said:

Disagree/agree: there's some interesting moments and some facepalm moments. This is a tongue in cheek review of that fight but enlightening nonetheless:

Goddamnit. Every time I rewatch anything from these films (that isn't Ian McDiarmid) I make myself sad all over again.

39 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

It looked more like they were dancing than fighting for their lives.

Ah, the beauty of Fiore. Two master swordsmen should look like they are dancing.

TLJ throne room was more like "hack til it's over."

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

Ah, the beauty of Fiore. Two master swordsmen should look like they are dancing.

TLJ throne room was more like "hack til it's over."

I guess ecstasy-fuelled raves count as dancing..?

5 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Ah, the beauty of Fiore. Two master swordsmen should look like they are dancing.

TLJ throne room was more like "hack til it's over."

Thank you for pointing this out.
BTW, you do it italian?

edit: Not that Anakin and Obi-Wan looked might like dancers in their fight.

1 minute ago, __underscore__ said:

I guess ecstasy-fuelled raves count as dancing..?

From a certain point of view, yes.

9 minutes ago, __underscore__ said:

Goddamnit. Every time I rewatch anything from these films (that isn't Ian McDiarmid) I make myself sad all over again.

That channel (the auralnauts) do the only genuinely enjoyable rendition of the prequels I've seen... you should check it out. It's a very imaginative comical re-dub/cut. And carries up to episode 5 so far. VERY funny.

Sometimes people want to see a fight, even if they know the main characters aren't going to die.

Not to say if they might die, that just doesn't throw a whole 'nother dimension of awesome into it. But I don't think it is a prerequisite for a good fight.

Me, I've been waiting for the red suits to show me why they're so important, since Return of the Jedi. Yoda, also makes instant work of them in the prequels. That's Yoda, of course, but it's high time someone showed why wearing a red armored suit and standing next to the Emperor matters more than decoration.

If anything, that fight with Rei/Kylo shows exactly that and that's why it's important as far as I'm concerned. And do they fight way better than your average Stormtrooper. H E L L yes they do! Also while showing how powerful Rei/Kylo are and yet they are still not Yoda's or Palpatines.

People are probably going to get tired of me saying just how much I like The Last Jedi.