3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Stable boy might have been trained by Luke already. We have no indication how much time has passed since the events, only that either the whole galaxy is speaking of Skywalkers legendary defense against the first order OR Luke himself telling the kid about it.

As I said somewhere else, I fully expected force ghost Luke to appear right at the side of the kid and teach him. We still might get this in another movie.

Perhaps... but I think we're supposed to have the impression that almost no time has past. Is it the same kind Rose gives the ring to? It's also implied he's watching the Falcon hyperspace away from Crait, which just makes no sense so maybe he's asynhronously watching a different ship much later as we watch the Falcon depart.... but then again, multiple characters in multiple places look up to watch the Starkiller laser in TFA... so maybe it is the Falcon he's watching?

5 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Empire Strikes Back - Luke calling his ligthsaber in the Wampa cave. Luke has had minimal training, more in teaching that the force exists than in how to use it. The books explained this away, but the movies did not.

It had been years since ANH. Luke had plenty of time to learn a simple trick like that. Ben might have even given him some guidance in the interim. It isn't like he cleared away a cave-in just a week after getting confirmation that the Force even exists. A day or two after getting an explanation of what the Force is (the same description Luke got in ANH).

If there had been a time gap between TFA and TLJ, I would at least have been able to excuse Rey's super-awesomeness in TLJ. But no, we didn't get that.

6 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Perhaps that's what bothers me the most about TLJ; it makes it painfully obvious my SW zeitgeist is gone. . .

Maybe it's time to stop feeling old and summon your inner child, throw away your assumptions and watch the new star wars universe again with excitement instead of expectations. Worked for me. And I honestly hated TFA.

Legends will always have a place in my heart and I might continue my RPG sessions based on legends ... well or maybe I take Filoni stuff, who knows, it's not like I can not build my own universe just fine. But getting some doubts about my assumptions of what's gonna happen is great, it's exciting, it's awesome, even when TLJ was consistent enough that you could predict most of the stuff. °_^

2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yep. Maybe that's the sad part. Used to be you could look to Wookieepedia for a (pseudo-)solid answer.

My Star Wars heroes are all dead, the universe is not what it used to be, and the galaxy is in the hands of the next generation.

Perhaps that's what bothers me the most about TLJ; it makes it painfully obvious my SW zeitgeist is gone. . .

This I expect is a route cause to some of the kickback, yes. That and the clumsiness of TFA while kicking everything aside. (And the rushed books that were terrible...)

7 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Perhaps... but I think we're supposed to have the impression that almost no time has past.

I don't see how this ship could be the falcon, but considering how GL make all those kids experimenting with the force even as childs, I don't think training is necessary. Little **** Anakin was using the force while Pod Racing as well, Luke was intuitively using the force while shooting Womp Rats too, broom kid might have been using the force without noticing for a while now. As I said, there is a whole new generation of force sensitives, tens of thousands. The jedi purge is over since 30 years.
You may not like that TCW scene, but it has been canon since the prequels, it is not something that was an idea of Disney either, it not even just Filoni because Lucas was heavily involved in TCW. Investing a lot of money into it, because he wanted to tell those stories.

4 minutes ago, Knightcrawler said:

It had been years since ANH. Luke had plenty of time to learn a simple trick like that. Ben might have even given him some guidance in the interim. It isn't like he cleared away a cave-in just a week after getting confirmation that the Force even exists. A day or two after getting an explanation of what the Force is (the same description Luke got in ANH).

If there had been a time gap between TFA and TLJ, I would at least have been able to excuse Rey's super-awesomeness in TLJ. But no, we didn't get that.

There WAS a time gap though. THere was enough time for the Resistance to set up a base on whatever that initial planet was, be found out, and leave. And enough time for the porgs to frigging nest on the Falcon.

Rey's bit on the islands were clearly retrospective to the 'main' timeline of the space chase, she was on the island for weeks if not months leading up to the moment where she first makes contact with Kylo. This wasn't explicit, admittedly, but it doesn't really make sense otherwise.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

There WAS a time gap though. THere was enough time for the Resistance to set up a base on whatever that initial planet was, be found out, and leave. And enough time for the porgs to frigging nest on the Falcon.

Rey's bit on the islands were clearly retrospective to the 'main' timeline of the space chase, she was on the island for weeks if not months leading up to the moment where she first makes contact with Kylo. This wasn't explicit, admittedly, but it doesn't really make sense otherwise.

Jup, the Island was a montage basically, nesting Porgs and all.

Just now, Knightcrawler said:

It had been years since ANH. Luke had plenty of time to learn a simple trick like that. Ben might have even given him some guidance in the interim. It isn't like he cleared away a cave-in just a week after getting confirmation that the Force even exists. A day or two after getting an explanation of what the Force is (the same description Luke got in ANH).

If there had been a time gap between TFA and TLJ, I would at least have been able to excuse Rey's super-awesomeness in TLJ. But no, we didn't get that.

• Rey in TFA is totally unexplained and stupid. Rey growth in TLJ from TFA actually works better... because she started stupidly powerful in TFA. Can't put that genie back in the bottle.
• Luke has had zilch for training on screen beyond sensing things - and years without a teacher. Ben force ghost doesn't count - Luke is surprised to see him.
• Stableboy we know nothing about. Perhaps he's had simple training somewhere, perhaps not. (knowing the writing, likely not, but cannot be rejected because we choose to.)

Sorry @Knightcrawler - responded to a few more arguments to my quote. Which, clearly, I did not read @AllWingsStandyingBy's post well enough - apology there as well. The new movies are flawed, and no, they aren't as good in many ways to the originals, but to put the originals on too high a pedestal if folly. They had there blips, and oversights. They had plenty that wasn't explained. It doesn't matter, we enjoyed them anyway. That's really more my point. I'm certainly not going to argue that these movies are wonderful and deserving of awards though.

I'll bow out - I'm not really trying to convince anybody anything. I'm getting sucked deeper into this than I really want to be anyway.

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There WAS a time gap though. THere was enough time for the Resistance to set up a base on whatever that initial planet was, be found out, and leave. And enough time for the porgs to frigging nest on the Falcon.

Rey's bit on the islands were clearly retrospective to the 'main' timeline of the space chase, she was on the island for weeks if not months leading up to the moment where she first makes contact with Kylo. This wasn't explicit, admittedly, but it doesn't really make sense otherwise.

Er no, AFAIK they are evacuating from their planet from TFA. The action started just before Finn got out of his bacta (or whatever) suit.

I just saw TLJ for the second time, this time with my whole family.

I absolutely loved it. Sure it has a few issues, (entire Canto plot line I’m looking at you) but on whole it’s a triumph.

Luke’s arc in this film was perfect, and the climactic show-down with Kylo using his force projection for me encapsulated everything about the Jedi way.

The emotional tugs felt even stronger (Leia projected from R2-D2, Luke looking into binary sunset) the second go around.

My wife loved it too but said she missed Han. She also didn’t like a lot of the humor so I see where people are coming from it just didn’t bother me.

On the whole the set up is pretty slow but I enjoy every second of the Luke/Rey scenes and her struggles on Ach-To. (Spelling?) But once Rey goes to Snoke’s ship, the pacing is spot on.

And to see the look on my 5 year old girl’s face as she watched her hero Rey beat the bad guys was a real moment for this Star Wars fan.

It's exactly the same criticism of the same time jump in Empire, TBH. It's not explicitly mentioned on screen that Luke spent weeks if not months training with Yoda, and it's never explicitly mentioned that it took Han and co. the same amount of time to get to Bespin, and so a lot of people assume he's only there for like 36 hours. It could have been clearer, though, for sure.

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There WAS a time gap though. THere was enough time for the Resistance to set up a base on whatever that initial planet was, be found out, and leave. And enough time for the porgs to frigging nest on the Falcon.

Rey's bit on the islands were clearly retrospective to the 'main' timeline of the space chase, she was on the island for weeks if not months leading up to the moment where she first makes contact with Kylo. This wasn't explicit, admittedly, but it doesn't really make sense otherwise.

I don't think so. The Resistance leaves D'Qar, which is the same planet where Rey boarded the Falcon with Chewie and R2D2.

It is a matter of days or few weeks from the beginning of TFA to the end of TLJ

NO LANDO? NO STARS!

0/4 Stars

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I don't think so. The Resistance leaves D'Qar, which is the same planet where Rey boarded the Falcon with Chewie and R2D2.

It is a matter of days or few weeks from the beginning of TFA to the end of TLJ

Weeks seems reasonable, months would be imho stretching it indeed. The general timing is indeed an issue with the movie. A flaw which in execution of the story, but not in the story itself.

4 minutes ago, Knightcrawler said:

Er no, AFAIK they are evacuating from their planet from TFA. The action started just before Finn got out of his bacta (or whatever) suit.

He could have been in that thing for ages. He was cut up with a lightsaber, it takes some time to heal.

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I don't think so. The Resistance leaves D'Qar, which is the same planet where Rey boarded the Falcon with Chewie and R2D2.

It is a matter of days or few weeks from the beginning of TFA to the end of TLJ

Exactly. And let's not forget the BF2 tie-in that has the destruction of Starkiller base immediately preceding the evacuation. You cannot tell they are evacuating in the scene, but the ships are in the same position over the same planet, with Leia on the Raddus.

1 minute ago, Knightcrawler said:

BF2 tie-in

Dammit story group. You had one job.

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

Weeks seems reasonable, months would be imho stretching it indeed. The general timing is indeed an issue with the movie. A flaw which in execution of the story, but not in the story itself.

We are shown that Ahch-To takes at least 4 days. Doubling it seems like a stretch, but maybe, who knows? The rest of the movie is within the range of hours, not days.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

He could have been in that thing for ages. He was cut up with a lightsaber, it takes some time to heal.

The counterpoint is that we see all of Rey's training, that is both lessons. All the additional time would be her trying to get Luke to train her.

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

We are shown that Ahch-To takes at least 4 days. Doubling it seems like a stretch, but maybe, who knows? The rest of the movie is within the range of hours, not days.

The counterpoint is that we see all of Rey's training, that is both lessons. All the additional time would be her trying to get Luke to train her.

"All Rey's training?" Were we watching the same movie.

*Edit* Sorry, I think I mis-read the point of thia post the first time. :-)

24 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Maybe it's time to stop feeling old and summon your inner child, throw away your assumptions and watch the new star wars universe again with excitement instead of expectations. Worked for me. And I honestly hated TFA.

Legends will always have a place in my heart and I might continue my RPG sessions based on legends ... well or maybe I take Filoni stuff, who knows, it's not like I can not build my own universe just fine. But getting some doubts about my assumptions of what's gonna happen is great, it's exciting, it's awesome, even when TLJ was consistent enough that you could predict most of the stuff. °_^

I suspect it will work for me as well.

14 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I'll bow out - I'm not really trying to convince anybody anything. I'm getting sucked deeper into this than I really want to be anyway.

Yeah, that happens!

33 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There WAS a time gap though. THere was enough time for the Resistance to set up a base on whatever that initial planet was, be found out, and leave. And enough time for the porgs to frigging nest on the Falcon.

There isn't much a time gap...

That is the same planet the Resistance base was on in TFA, and Finn is still in his Bacta suit even from his Starkiller encounter injury. Best estimates are that, at most, TLJ takes place a few days after TFA. Then couple this with the fact that we know the amount of time from Beginning of TLJ --> Ending of TLJ is less than 18 hours (because that's how much fuel the Raddus has) and it leaves a surprisingly short amount of time for Rey and the Falcon to have been on Luke's planet. At most Rey was there for 2-3 days.

Another thing I liked, basically amongst everything, was Laura Dunn.

Haven't seen her in a long time myself and she was amazing!

I think star wars fans that still like a new hope, empire and jedi don't enjoy this one since it takes a dump on everything from those movies.

The ones that dont enjoy the OT anymore likes it since it's a new modern Marvel style action adventure with Wink Wink humor and ones "badass" moment after the other with obvoius setups and whatever powers/rules the screenwriter wants.

Yes I'm going there

That's hardly universal. I like both the original trilogy and everything Disney has done. From the film ranking below, that seems to be the case for many others too.

I want to play along... Whew. What a strange film TLJ is. How on Earth was this script approved?

Big Problems:

1. Too Late in The Franchise to Weaponize Hyperspace Entry! [Why even build a Deathstar?]
2. Kylo doesn't want to kill his mommy; Kills his new daddy; decides to go back and kill mommy anyway?
3. Snoke can place a collect call, linking Rey and Kylo, without knowing her whereabouts? Her area code?

4/10 (worse than Episode 1)