5 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Seems to me your taking this really personal for no good reason.

You can disagree but really no need for insults.

I wouldn't take it personally. We all have stupid opinions about something or another, this is just your one!

At least it's pretty benign in the grand scheme of things.

See smilies don't make make it okay to insult people, I only have two people on ignore but if you continue on like this that lists getting longer.

Honestly this movies really not worth getting heated over.

Well, I see this film is going to be just as much, if not more, fun to discuss online.

It was amazing. I loved it.

I kinda like how Snoke died from a terminal case of MTF, mustache twirling monologue.

Holdo was great, Rose was great. Hux is a ranting hobo. Rey isn't quite the Mary Sue anymore. First Order leadership is a mess now, I can't picture Kylo wanting it.

The plan of Poe and Finn failing at every turn was grating. Finally Holdo just rolls her eyes and says "hold my beer, amateurs."

Slick how the Luke/Kylo flashback varied depending on their "certain point of view."

Saber battle was amazing. Driver sold it.

I...

It's so hard to say it. Admit it. I will say right here and now, The Empire Strikes Back is my most favorite Star Wars Film of all time.

But...

It's so hard to admit it, guys. I don't know if I can, even if I know it's true.

17 hours ago, Azrapse said:

In a discussion about Gameplay >>> Fluff, @DarthEnderX said something like
"If I didn't care about Star Wars lore and only about the game, I wouldn't be playing a Star Wars game"

Well, I do say that if I didn't care about Star Wars lore I wouldn't be watching a Star Wars movie.
Jettisoning the lore that has been built for the past 40 years just because "It's about time"...
Disney had plenty of uncharted territory without the need of having to burn it all to the ground first.

^ This x 10000.

Just got back from the movie. Not feeling it. At all. My gut reaction: I waited 2 years for this? The ending is really bad...lightsaber kills him, but not the walkers? C'mon...If the avatar took lightsaber damage, why not laser blasts?

And the lightsaber was a dead giveaway it WAS an avatar.

2 minutes ago, Scopes said:

^ This x 10000.

Just got back from the movie. Not feeling it. At all. My gut reaction: I waited 2 years for this? The ending is really bad...lightsaber kills him, but not the walkers? C'mon...If the avatar took lightsaber damage, why not laser blasts?

And the lightsaber was a dead giveaway it WAS an avatar.

It didn't take lightsaber damage.

ANYBODY can use the force otherwise it's an elitist, genetic thing and that why I love that Rey's parents are alcoholic losers. Great film (with exception to some of the Canto Bight stuff).

10 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

It didn't take lightsaber damage.

Right; Luke did. I guess I wasn't clear.

If Actual Luke can't be killed by that massive salvo, how did the lightsaber do its job?

I read several reviews of the movie (Variety, Vanity Fair amongst others) and I didn't see the same movie they did.

The majority of the humor was poorly placed, I think. I lost all tension in the moment when Poe did his sassy pants routine with Hux. I only got on the edge of my seat at the end of the movie.

Too much slapstick...I agree wholeheartedly. The movie couldn't decide if it was taking itself seriously or not. IMHO.

Haven't read this thread, just got home from the movie ....

What the *** was that.

Did not like this ...

I cannot understand SW fans. Episode VII = too similar to previous films. EPISODE VIII = too different; that's not Star Wars. Making a film in this franchise seems an impossible task.

3 minutes ago, Scopes said:

Right; Luke did. I guess I wasn't clear.

If Actual Luke can't be killed by that massive salvo, how did the lightsaber do its job?

I read several reviews of the movie (Variety, Vanity Fair amongst others) and I didn't see the same movie they did.

The majority of the humor was poorly placed, I think. I lost all tension in the moment when Poe did his sassy pants routine with Hux. I only got on the edge of my seat at the end of the movie.

Too much slapstick...I agree wholeheartedly. The movie couldn't decide if it was taking itself seriously or not. IMHO.

Luke was not killed by Kylo Ren. How are people not understanding this? How are people not understanding this?

How are people not understanding this?

Luke put every last bit of himself into that projection. Into appearing elsewhere. He did it knowing it would be the last, final thing he could and would do. He did it, because he needed to confront Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren needed to confront him. But it was too much for Luke to truly handle without dying. That kind of effort in The Force...

Nobody killed Luke.

He went to that Island to die.

And that is what he did.

In a lot of ways, this feels like a deconstruction of the Star Wars myth. While at the same time, embraces the power of myths and legends, but points to the fact that anyone can be the next legend.

4 minutes ago, Ajax Romano said:

I cannot understand SW fans. Episode VII = too similar to previous films. EPISODE VIII = too different; that's not Star Wars. Making a film in this franchise seems an impossible task.

I have yet to see ep8 (seeing it tomorrow). But ep7 is my least favorite star wars movie, whereas rogue one is in my top 3.

I find that funny as Rogue One had the tougher task to please fans as being a "prequel" you knew the general end result of the movie, as well as having a bit less tension because you knew certain characters can't die, and others are likely to die if they aren't in the other movies.

But yet I love Rogue One, since it had an original story, while still following the general "rules" of star wars, so to speak.

The biggest problem is LFL doesn't have a good outline for the sequels. They are letting different writers and directors do their own thing for each movie. Thus you end up with a lazy ep7 to be "safe" for the OT only fans, and then they go too crazy (from what I hear) with ep8 trying to be "different" this time, but end up being a movie that doesn't seem like star wars as much anymore.

Say what you want about George Lucas, but I think whatever his outline was for the ST is probably better and more cohesive than what we've gotten so far. It's probably why Mark Hamill recently spoke out saying Disney should have used Lucas' ideas.

2 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Luke was not killed by Kylo Ren. How are people not understanding this? How are people not understanding this?

How are people not understanding this?

Luke put every last bit of himself into that projection. Into appearing elsewhere. He did it knowing it would be the last, final thing he could and would do. He did it, because he needed to confront Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren needed to confront him. But it was too much for Luke to truly handle without dying. That kind of effort in The Force...

Nobody killed Luke.

He went to that Island to die.

And that is what he did.

Fair enough. You never see him (Luke, not Avatar Luke) with any physical damage, as I reflect.

Not sure how I feel about what you said. The force-projection power...I really don't want to nerd out with why I think it's bad, but I think @Azrapse is right with his post earlier in the thread. Disney is reinventing the franchise. Not sure that needed to happen.

Also...sad to see Luke go. That really doesn't help me like this film, nor the scene when Rey beats him. Yeesh. It's like the EU novels. He should be a badass. I get the arc they started him on...makes sense. However, once the force awoke in him...and I think it did once he decided to train Rey (or perhaps, I wish it had THEN, instead of later if that's what happened).

Just sad. I was hoping for more, but I understand why I didn't get it.

I'm totally confused with this movie.

I feel like... I'm supposed to say it's the best Star Wars movie of all time... but I feel so damned miserable I can't bring myself to say that.

Haters gonna hate.

Luke leaves them lashing out at nothing.

The movie was great.

2 minutes ago, markcsoul said:

I have yet to see ep8 (seeing it tomorrow). But ep7 is my least favorite star wars movie, whereas rogue one is in my top 3.

I find that funny as Rogue One had the tougher task to please fans as being a "prequel" you knew the general end result of the movie, as well as having a bit less tension because you knew certain characters can't die, and others are likely to die if they aren't in the other movies.

But yet I love Rogue One, since it had an original story, while still following the general "rules" of star wars, so to speak.

The biggest problem is LFL doesn't have a good outline for the sequels. They are letting different writers and directors do their own thing for each movie. Thus you end up with a lazy ep7 to be "safe" for the OT only fans, and then they go too crazy (from what I hear) with ep8 trying to be "different" this time, but end up being a movie that doesn't seem like star wars as much anymore.

Say what you want about George Lucas, but I think whatever his outline was for the ST is probably better and more cohesive than what we've gotten so far. It's probably why Mark Hamill recently spoke out saying Disney should have used Lucas' ideas.

Boom. This. You've summed up my feelings on the movie and the sequels, in general. Rogue One had me on the edge of my seat for most of the movie. This one...only at the very end.

I also wonder if this one would feel more "Star Wars" if Hamill had gotten his wish. And yes, I haven't forgotten the prequels. This one felt...off.

I think it is supposed to feel off. In a lot of ways, this is a deconstruction of Star Wars, and the Mythic Hero. But at the same time, embracing by telling you that anyone can be the next hero. The very end of the movie is unexpected, but throws the whole message of the movie into focus.

That said, I need to see it a few more times.

The end of the movie felt like the end of a trilogy, not a middle piece ...

7 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Flat undeveloped characters like Snoke or Phasma Boba Fett that evolve nothing and die pointlessly leaving absolutely zero imprint on the story...

fixed that for ya.

Holy Moly, the Internet hates this movie. I honestly figured after The Force Awakens that I just didn't "get" Star Wars anymore, even thought I enjoyed Rogue One immensely. I figured that was because I like the OT, and I love the war film genre, which is what Rogue One was emulating. I liked Rogue One for being a war movie with a Star Wars theme.

So my assumption was that Star Wars fans would love it because it has Star Wars things in it. I actually thought TLJ was "fun" even if "fun" is the way I describe movies that aren't really good, but don't feel like a complete waste of time. Spent the last 15-20 minutes reading comments on Reddit and... wow.

14 minutes ago, Scopes said:

Fair enough. You never see him (Luke, not Avatar Luke) with any physical damage, as I reflect.

Not sure how I feel about what you said. The force-projection power...I really don't want to nerd out with why I think it's bad, but I think @Azrapse is right with his post earlier in the thread. Disney is reinventing the franchise. Not sure that needed to happen.

Also...sad to see Luke go. That really doesn't help me like this film, nor the scene when Rey beats him. Yeesh. It's like the EU novels. He should be a badass. I get the arc they started him on...makes sense. However, once the force awoke in him...and I think it did once he decided to train Rey (or perhaps, I wish it had THEN, instead of later if that's what happened).

Just sad. I was hoping for more, but I understand why I didn't get it.

Luke had disconnected himself from the force until Rey had come around. Then, he gave himself to it entirely. She had the upper hand, and show me one scene where giving into your anger does not produce powerful results in a fight.

They're not reinventing the force.

They're making it the mystical thing it always has been. That thing beyond the average person's comprehension. Something so much larger than all of us.

8 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

I think it is supposed to feel off. In a lot of ways, this is a deconstruction of Star Wars, and the Mythic Hero. But at the same time, embracing by telling you that anyone can be the next hero. The very end of the movie is unexpected, but throws the whole message of the movie into focus.

That said, I need to see it a few more times.

The Last Jedi is to Star Wars, what KOTOR II is to The Force.

15 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Haters gonna hate.

Luke leaves them lashing out at nothing.

The movie was great.

Bingo.

16 minutes ago, Crabbok said:

I'm totally confused with this movie.

I feel like... I'm supposed to say it's the best Star Wars movie of all time... but I feel so damned miserable I can't bring myself to say that.

Remember The Empire Strikes Back? When all was lost, when the only glimmer of hope was, "Well. We survived."?

So much we know and love was destroyed. It had to be.

We had to let the past die.

Just now, TheVeteranSergeant said:

Holy Moly, the Internet hates this movie. I honestly figured after The Force Awakens that I just didn't "get" Star Wars anymore, even thought I enjoyed Rogue One immensely. I figured that was because I like the OT, and I love the war film genre, which is what Rogue One was emulating. I liked Rogue One for being a war movie with a Star Wars theme.

So my assumption was that Star Wars fans would love it because it has Star Wars things in it. I actually thought TLJ was "fun" even if "fun" is the way I describe movies that aren't really good, but don't feel like a complete waste of time. Spent the last 15-20 minutes reading comments on Reddit and... wow.

It's borderline unreasonable. But one has to respect the guts this film has. Luke is dead.

Luke is dead.

But you know... Yoda, Yoda has shown us that death is not the ending. Just... Another phase of life. He was so real, so there. Perfectly, as Luke remembered him.

I am not surprised that the internet will hate this. It goes against all fan expectations.

24 minutes ago, Ajax Romano said:

I cannot understand SW fans. Episode VII = too similar to previous films. EPISODE VIII = too different; that's not Star Wars. Making a film in this franchise seems an impossible task.

This is just my point of view, but I suspect others may agree- my problem with VII was that it so closely copied the STORY of IV. However, those of us who hold that view mostly prefer that further entries into the saga should continue to follow the established rules of the universe, while telling new stories within that universe. The complaints I’m seeing about VIII suggest that at least some individuals are interpreting it as departing from the established structure and rules of the Star Wars universe. I’ll wait and judge for myself, but I’ve already faced spoilers as my confidence was low enough I had no intention of paying to see it.

Regardless, I think it’s worth noting that one can both criticize the lack of original story-telling in VII and the departures from Star Wars canon in VIII, and do so without contradiction. One is about story, one is about telling that story within an established story world consistently. And, let’s be honest, if you aren’t going to conform to the established canon, why bother writing in someone else’s story world rather than constructing one of your own?

I wouldn’t want George R.R. Martin writing a sequel to Tolkien, though I enjoy his work on his own mythology in A Song of Ice and Fire.