2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

That might be because you took the end scene in TFA serious and were not shaking your head and asking yourself how JJ could end the movie in such an awkward and ridiculously stupid way.

Because Rian asked him to.

Just now, Sithborg said:

Because Rian asked him to.

For real? OK, Rian Johnson just hate JJ Abrams. LOL.
Still, would like to see a source for that.

I liked it quite a lot, but honestly, I think I had more fun watching TFA.

Hanging out with Han and Chewie for most of the movie was just way more fun than hanging out with grumpyluke.

I will say, I'm kind of annoyed that Luke died. It kinda made the whole projection thing pointless if it ended up killing him anyway. At first I was all, "Ahh, he's gonna do the heroic sacrifice. Oh well." Then the reveal that he wasn't there and I was all "Oh ****! That's awesome!" Then he died anyway and I was like, "What the ****..."

Especially knowing that Leia probably won't be in the next one, I wish they'd have changed the end to keep him around for another movie.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

For real? OK, Rian Johnson just hate JJ Abrams. LOL.
Still, would like to see a source for that.

Yes, all filming on the island was due to Rian Johnson.

49 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Either way, this movie pretty much killed star wars for me. What was the point of the original trilogy??

The galaxy is a cycle. What has happened before will happen again.

1-3 was about the fall of the republic and the return of the sith.

4-6 was the fall of the empire and the return of the jedi.

7-9 is about the force re-balancing itself.

For there to be evil there has to be good. Once you killed the evil (Palpatine/vader) and there is only good (Luke) there is nothing to oppose the good, so something must manifest itself to challenge the light (Snoke/Kylo). Now that the dark is so strong and Luke has closed himself off from the force, the light manifests in a new challenger (Rey) who will bring balance back to the force. So yes, she is the new "chosen" one. But only because Luke closed himself off from the force. Luke explains this is why the jedi must end, because the ideals behind a good vs evil is stupid and there key to peace is being balanced in the middle.

6 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

Yes, all filming on the island was due to Rian Johnson.

Do you have a source for that? The only thing Google is giving me is this article saying the only change he requested was that it be R2-D2 that went with Rey instead of BB-8. From what I can find the ending on the island was all JJ and Kasdan.

I don't know. I could've sworn I saw something that Skellig Michael was Johsnon's choice.

I will give it this, capital ship deflector shields looked cool(or even visible) for the first time ever in Star Wars.

Also, if a cruiser can take out a super star destroyer and a bunch of it's surrounding fleet by flying into hyperspace at it, would the most economical method of warfare be to use corvette-sized ships with a droid pilot to take out Star Destroyers?

49 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

I don't see a galactic conquering sized fleet with thousends or millions of loyal soldiers could spring up after the ending of ROTJ without ANYONE except Leia and 20 x wing pilots doing something about it. That is just me though, I guess I thought that ROTJ was the end and the rebellion won, looks like I was completly wrong

It seems that the galaxy actually likes dark evil overlords and galactic empires. If anything the resistance are the bad guys and I root for Kylo and the first order in the next movie, I hope they kill rey, poe, rose and all the other terrorist that are murdering innocent working people that are just trying to establish order. Fascism is the good guy in Disneys star wars universe.

It took them 30 years to rise again. The new republic literally lasted longer than Palpatine's New Order. And the galaxy for sure does like dark evil overlords.

And why do they like this new order? Because it gives them money and power. You may have not noticed it, but the problems of the star wars galaxy are systemic and not based on some lonely dark siders who just take over. They just use the system in place, the failings of the 1,000 generations of jedi who protected the republic, but never tried to heal it.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

It took them 30 years to rise again. The new republic literally lasted longer than Palpatine's New Order.

So much this!

In about 20 years the Empire managed to build two Death Stars and various capital ships.

So I can deal with The First Order managing to knock up Starkiller and a Dreadnought.

3 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

Also, if a cruiser can take out a super star destroyer and a bunch of it's surrounding fleet by flying into hyperspace at it, would the most economical method of warfare be to use corvette-sized ships with a droid pilot to take out Star Destroyers?

Not really, wasting a good CR90 for each star destroyer you kill seems not economical, considering that a squadron of B-Wings killed over a dozen star destroyers in the battle of endor.

Though what Raddus took out was not a mere super-star-destroyer. It was an mega-class dreadnought. Supers went from about 6 to 18kms, the Supremacy was a 60km long ship, about 30 times larger than the Executor. The ship which gets taken out by the payload of a single bomber was merely a normal star dreadnought. That would be the same league as the Executor

4 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

It took them 30 years to rise again. The new republic literally lasted longer than Palpatine's New Order. And the galaxy for sure does like dark evil overlords.

And why do they like this new order? Because it gives them money and power. You may have not noticed it, but the problems of the star wars galaxy are systemic and not based on some lonely dark siders who just take over. They just use the system in place, the failings of the 1,000 generations of jedi who protected the republic, but never tried to heal it.

Yeah, so it is pointless and horrible. Just like real life, I guess i like star wars as a fantasy adventure in space where good and evil duke it out.

Seems like I'm in a minority there, but I guess I'm glad for you guys and the masses. I will stay in my land of fairytales and fun. You go enjoy space nazis, game of thrones and all that horrible true to life grimdark.

May the force be with you

On 12/14/2017 at 2:08 AM, Azrapse said:

The admiral stunt, that is a whole plot hole. Why didn't anyone else ever used that before if it was so effective? And don't come with "It would be too expensive". They could use just whatever they could get from a scrapyard.

Completely agree. Junk freighters piloted by expendable droids to take out an entire fleet of Star Destroyers.

On 12/14/2017 at 2:08 AM, Azrapse said:

The whole Canto Bight act was such an unnecessary gratuitous detour that basically led to a dead end. Then whatever they were trying to achieve there just pops in before them.

To be honest, I kept expecting there to be a line where DJ says he lost his flower pin to some guy in a poker game so he was who they were looking for all along.

Just now, jocke01 said:

Seems like I'm in a minority there, but I guess I'm glad for you guys and the masses. I will stay in my land of fairytales and fun. You go enjoy space nazis, game of thrones and all that horrible true to life grimdark.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The new republic lasted longer than the empire. The first order will go down most likely within 6 movies.
I am not sure how this is even remotely grim, evil rises, evil gets slapped by the good guys, so the peasant can life in happy ignorance and let evil rise again.

1 minute ago, DarthEnderX said:

Completely agree.

To be honest, I kept expecting there to be a line where DJ says he lost his flower pin to some guy in a poker game so he was who they were looking for along.

I assumed this was the case tbh.

30 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

That might be because you took the end scene in TFA serious and were not shaking your head and asking yourself how JJ could end the movie in such an awkward and ridiculously stupid way.

That is a huge **** you to Johnson in the first place. I believe Johnson return that favor in the most hilarious way possible, by simply ignoring the mystery boxes and raising a middle finger to that awkward TFA ending scene,

Yeah, I did.

Glad I could get burned by a mutual **** you in the SW universe. If that's how it's gonna be, I rather go back to Lucas in charge.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

I assumed this was the case tbh.

I don't think so. Maze would not have send them to a guy who takes at the next best chance money from the first order to screw them over. So it is totally the failing of Rose and Finn. Which may or may not pay off in the next film, either way I am fine with the heroes failing at something.

2 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Completely agree.

Just a thought: such a ship would be stripped of as much as possible, right? Which means their use would be very limited against single targets.

We can learn both from history and X-Wing that such a weapon/build is never a good idea and does not work except for the very first time. It's too easy to adapt against it and neutralize such a highly specialized and expensive weapon

2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

If that's how it's gonna be, I rather go back to Lucas in charge.

You want Filoni man, you want Filoni, he gets Lucas AND gets at half-way decent dialog done.

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I don't think so. Maze would not have send them to a guy who takes at the next best chance money from the first order to screw them over. So it is totally the failing of Rose and Finn. Which may or may not pay off in the next film, either way I am fine with the heroes failing at something.

If he was the only one who could do it she might have.

Union shootout or not. Would she do it without a warning at least?

Interestingly, and I agree these polls are still meaningless, Rotten Tomatoes now has it at 93%. Misread this. Of interest though... Star Wars: The Last Jedi is being review bombed on Rotten Tomatoes (Polygon website) Don't know if there's much truth to the story but hey....

Imdb has it at a 7.9 out of ten. More reasonable, but likely still off. It does have 100,000 votes in, though duplicate and triplicate accounts are possible.

7/10 seems appropriate.

Anyway, despite its flaws I do believe it will come down to individual perception and acceptance. The initial backlash that dominated headlines seems to be fading as others watch and the movie is absolutely raking in the cash.

13 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Just a thought: such a ship would be stripped of as much as possible, right? Which means their use would be very limited against single targets.

We can learn both from history and X-Wing that such a weapon/build is never a good idea and does not work except for the very first time. It's too easy to adapt against it and neutralize such a highly specialized and expensive weapon

It still kind of establishes that "Well, a single cruiser PROBABLY could have done that to any of the Death Stars". At the very least, you could have jumped into the laser array and crippled the laser, which turns the entire thing into a giant ball of useless.

Which kinda negates all the stakes from the previous movies. When an unkillable superweapon could actually have been wrecked by any ship and one person willing to sacrifice themself to save a planet.

On 12/14/2017 at 5:05 AM, Kentucky Fried Ewok said:

I agree, it was like Poe was trying to channel Starlord.

Yes but...that's who Poe is. He did that all through TFA too.

"So who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?"

1 minute ago, DarthEnderX said:

It still kind of establishes that "Well, a single cruiser PROBABLY could have done that to any of the Death Stars". At the very least, you could have jumped into the laser array and crippled the laser, which turns the entire thing into a giant ball of useless.

Which kinda negates all the stakes from the previous movies. When an unkillable superweapon could actually have been wrecked by any ship and one person willing to sacrifice themself to save a planet.

Not really. It is established that the rebels don't have a real shipyard, so they could not just build a highly specialized and weaponized cruiser-rocket. And even if they did - it can never be discovered or all the scarce ressources are wasted. And even it it is not spotted, it will only be used once. The Rebels series shows us how hard this decision is. Which battle has enough victims to use it? Would Scarif have been a good choice? Yavin? Hoth? Because the Rebellion did not know what was to happen. Only we do, in hindsight.

The other part is that the Deathstar is possibly too massive to really suffer. Planets can't be destroyed, not even scratched. The Rebellion would have no way of knowing unless they tried. And if it does NOT work then they just wasted a whole lot of ressources in a shipyard they don't even have.

1 minute ago, DarthEnderX said:

It still kind of establishes that "Well, a single cruiser PROBABLY could have done that to any of the Death Stars". At the very least, you could have jumped into the laser array and crippled the laser, which turns the entire thing into a giant ball of useless.

Which kinda negates all the stakes from the previous movies. When an unkillable superweapon could actually have been wrecked by any ship and one person willing to sacrifice themself to save a planet.

Eh? It plowed a hole roughly its size(I think? I'm not sure what the scales involved are exactly but it didn't appear that Snoke's ship dwarfed other capital ships the way the Executor did) through the big ship. As big as Snoke's ship was it's still dwarfed by the Death Star and the mon cal was obliterated in the process of getting through that one ship. You could probably punch a decent hole in something like a Death Star that way but actually killing something that size in that fashion it seems unlikely at best.