2 minutes ago, DirbYh said:

Watching Yoda burn the original Jedi texts was like watching the Pope burn an original copy of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

It felt like I was watching a fan-fiction written by someone who hated Star Wars and everyone who loves it.

Notice how spiteful and almost filled with hatred that Yoda was?

Sure he was messing with Luke pn Dagobah before revealing he WAS Yoda, but that was a test, his personality changed to the wise master later.

This Yoda was scary.. I am not sure Ryan hates SW, it just seems like he does not understand what makes it great..

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

My read was the Hux was promoted above his competence by Snoke specifically to have a general who would be disliked and easy to manipulate.

Not to mention his father being the one to come up with the "Hey, lets follow in the tradition of the Jedi and kidnap children as babies and then indoctrinate them into being what we want them to be, in this case soldiers!"

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

My read was the Hux was promoted above his competence by Snoke specifically to have a general who would be disliked and easy to manipulate.

Possible. I'd need a bit more evidence, but entirely possible. Hux certainly ran back to Snoke constantly seeking approval on things.

4 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

She stated in a few interviews (Daisy that is) that she wants a pink saber. lol

but I think it will remain blue as she will reuse Luke's crystal...

I'm willing to wager three quadrules that she ends up using a Maul-esque double bladed lightsaber. Because the last couple of films have shown how proficient she is using that staff...

2 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Possible. I'd need a bit more evidence, but entirely possible. Hux certainly ran back to Snoke constantly seeking approval on things.

Better to get approval on everything than to find out you screwed up and be the receipient of Snojes wrath.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

He didn't burn the texts. Rey took them when she left, they're visible in a locker on the Falcon near the end. What he told Obi Wan was precisely correct... from a certain point of view.

If true, he still burns the tree down. "Page turners, they were not." Hey, remember when Yoda said, "Old wisdom, heh. Patience, heh. A Jedi craves not these things." Because I don't.

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

there was a lot of awesomeness.

brilliant

2 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

I'm willing to wager three quadrules that she ends up using a Maul-esque double bladed lightsaber. Because the last couple of films have shown how proficient she is using that staff...

Perhaps. Or perhaps she will reassemble Luke’s Sabre.

Just now, DirbYh said:

If true, he still burns the tree down. "Page turners, they were not." Hey, remember when Yoda said, "Old wisdom, heh. Patience, heh. A Jedi craves not these things." Because I don't.

brilliant

I'm not saying Yoda wasn't a bit of a jerk, but then, Yoda has always been a bit of a jerk.

7 minutes ago, RedHotDice said:

Notice how spiteful and almost filled with hatred that Yoda was?

All the cheeky pros of a YouTube atheist. Not a spiritual leader.

I'm betting on Rey winding up with a lightsabre polearm. Not a double ended staff sabre like maul's, but a staff with a single lightsabre blade coming out the end, enhanced with whatever it was ont he red guards' weapons that stopped them getting cut straight through. That would be great.

Who else teared up when R2 played the Leia hologram? I teared up the first time. Then when I watched the film again and knew it was coming, I still teared up. It's the only part of the film that really got me.

Cheap move, R2.

27 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

2: First Order having a crazy powerful army/fleet. I'm thinking we have seen the entire fleet in this movie... I'm not so sure they have much else out there. After all the only enemy they are focused on is the resistance..who's entire fleet could be fielded in a game of Armada and still have points left over.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but (sadly) I think this point is wrong. I think the First Order fleet is much larger than what we see on screen in TLJ, and to that end I'd offer two bits of evidence:

(1) The Opening Crawl indicates that, almost overnight, the First Order has retaken control of much of the Galaxy. This would imply a substantially larger fleet and garrison-forces than would be present at the opening battle.

(2) When the Dreadnought comes out of hyperspace, the Resistance know what class of ship it is. And in Poe's push to destroy it he says "We have a chance to take out a dreadnought!" Not "We have a chance to take out their dreadnought!" or "... a chance to take out the dreadnought!" but "a" dreadnought. And it's clearly something Poe and the others have seen and fought against before. The resistance could also identify the mega-super-ship as "that's Snoke's ship!" implying they had a pretty decent conception of the FO ship-types. It's like the old point that we knew the Empire had multiple SSDs because in that scene in RotJ Han says "Relax, kid, there's lots of command ships" implying that it wasn't necessarily Vader's SSD at Endor. So this suggests a much larger First Order fleet than just what we see involved in this ill-conceived chase plot.

21 minutes ago, DirbYh said:

Watching Yoda burn the original Jedi texts was like watching the Pope burn an original copy of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

It felt like I was watching a fan-fiction written by someone who hated Star Wars and everyone who loves it.

Yoda didn't burn the texts, he burned the tree; he was trolling Luke for putting his faith in old books instead of his own experience, wisdom and lessons he could pass on to Rey.

Rey had already stashed the books on the Falcon by that point. They were shown there near the end of the movie.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'm not saying Yoda wasn't a bit of a jerk, but then, Yoda has always been a bit of a jerk.

Original Yoda "Adventure, heh! Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things."

Wiser, Deader Yoda: "Page turners, they were not."

apparently force ghosting makes you senile over the ages

Force ghost Yoda looked and acted odd. He looked chubby, like he's been eating well in the ether, and I really didn't buy into his cameo at all.

R2's attempted guilt-trip of Luke, however... now that was beautifully done. "That was a cheap trick, old friend". Yeah, it was. But it worked.

9 hours ago, RogueLeader42 said:

In the EU the acceleration was nicely described as "pseudo movement".

So yeah, no real acceleration.

Hyperspace is pretty much turning into a "it does what we need it to do for the storyline" effect rather than a pseudo-science rule to follow.

It used to be you had to make calculations to jump safely; now you can jump out of hangar bays, jump behind shields, and jump thru other ships.

Also, in the EU, hyperspace was in another dimension, didn't really allow for tracking, and could not be communicated into or out of. All that's a wash, too.

8 minutes ago, DirbYh said:

If true, he still burns the tree down.

Not sure if this was mentioned...

But the books from that tree were on the Falcon at the end of the movie. I'm 99% sure I saw them in the drawer when Fen pulled out a blanket to cover Rose. So burning the tree didn't actually destroy anything, but rather was a way to get Luke to let go of his failures.

2 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Yoda didn't burn the texts, he burned the tree; he was trolling Luke for putting his faith in old books instead of his own experience, wisdom and lessons he could pass on to Rey.

Yeah, his own experience which said, "Meh, I'll just cut myself off from the Force let all my friends die."

Ah, yes, it's all coming together. How could I be so blind?!

Okay, so here's a massive plot-hole that was raised and then left unanswered between TFA and TLJ:

So, in TLJ we find out that Luke had every intention of hiding on that island and dying in exclusion without ever being found. So, since apparently that's the case, then why on Earth did he leave a partial map to his location in R2D2 and the other part with Old Rando who we meet at the start of TFA (and why did Poe and the First Order know that old dude had said map?!?!). And then, why did R2D2 just turn on with the other part of the map for no reason at the end of TFA? If we assumed Luke had wanted to eventually be found and as such left maps, and that he had reached out through the Force at the appropriate time to reactivate R2D2 it might have made sense... but since TLJ took a poo all over those theories, it makes the whole "Map to Skywalker" premise of TFA make utterly no sense at all.

1 minute ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Okay, so here's a massive plot-hole that was raised and then left unanswered between TFA and TLJ:

So, in TLJ we find out that Luke had every intention of hiding on that island and dying in exclusion without ever being found. So, since apparently that's the case, then why on Earth did he leave a partial map to his location in R2D2 and the other part with Old Rando who we meet at the start of TFA (and why did Poe and the First Order know that old dude had said map?!?!). And then, why did R2D2 just turn on with the other part of the map for no reason at the end of TFA? If we assumed Luke had wanted to eventually be found and as such left maps, and that he had reached out through the Force at the appropriate time to reactivate R2D2 it might have made sense... but since TLJ took a poo all over those theories, it makes the whole "Map to Skywalker" premise of TFA make utterly no sense at all.

Just the tip of an entire iceberg of poo that is this movie.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

Hyperspace is pretty much turning into a "it does what we need it to do for the storyline" effect rather than a pseudo-science rule to follow.

That's all it's ever been really.

None of the OT had any real hard and fast rules for hyperspace, other than you could "fly right though a star or bounce to close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick."

Then again we're talking about a movie in which a parsec is a measure of speed...

4 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Hyperspace is pretty much turning into a "it does what we need it to do for the storyline" effect rather than a pseudo-science rule to follow.

It used to be you had to make calculations to jump safely; now you can jump out of hangar bays, jump behind shields, and jump thru other ships.

Also, in the EU, hyperspace was in another dimension, didn't really allow for tracking, and could not be communicated into or out of. All that's a wash, too.

The whole point of doing the calculations is so you don’t fly through anything. Jumping out of the hanger was dangerous but necessary, I guess.

5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Okay, so here's a massive plot-hole that was raised and then left unanswered between TFA and TLJ...

...doesn't matter because space magic.

In other news,

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-backlash-negative-fan-reactions-rotten-tomatoes-score

1 minute ago, VanorDM said:

Then again we're talking about a movie in which a parsec is a measure of speed...

Maybe Han flunked out of Space High and just doesn’t understand how it really works.

1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:

In other news,

Read that and while I get tired of everything in this world being turned into some sort of politics...

They had some good points, especially about how the rotten tomatoes score can be manipulated since it's really nothing but online polling which is notoriously easy to manipulate, especially since it's completely contrary to what the CinemaScore was, which may very well be more accurate since you can only get one score per person from it.