19 hours ago, LagJanson said:

Oh, don't get me wrong. Not expecting a romance between Rey-Finn. I think Finn may believe that's what he wants, to be her big strong protector, but she doesn't need that and the connection they share will be more friends and partners. Tensions don't mean romantic tensions. Rey may feel more alone if she doesn't have Finn following her around like a lost puppy and right now with her failings, losses and new discoveries. She may need for a friend to lean on

Well said, the way you put that makes sense and I think we might see that.

Yeah, sorry, I was just trying to clear that up. I like that relationships in the Star Wars universe are kind of non-Hollywood-style, and I don't think they're going to try to add some kind of romantic tension in just the last movie (the Han and Leia relationship took years to develop).

1 hour ago, MasterShake2 said:

The worst part of the movie for me was the part in Casino Von Debauchery or whatever that planet was called. It felt like they looked at the script and were like "Man, we're like a planet short of our quota for this movie, let's add some more scenes". It wasn't boring so much as it just felt like it was from a completely different movie and feels pretty skippable even though there is some minor payoffs to it.

Ya know, I'm not totally against the casino world. On one hand, the place, the cast, and the police force all seemed like they were pulled from a cruise ship to Fhlostan Paradise and an unnecessary distraction to the big picture, but on the other hand, a galaxy is a very big place, and its inevitable that there will be vast differences between worlds so it was good to see another location in the Star Wars universe that was very different from what was seen before. New and fresh alien worlds are good, in my opinion. DJ had promise, but much like Phasma in TFA, he was underused in an already busy movie.

Just something from TFA and TLJ, does anyone else find it a little odd we don't see any aliens from the previous films aside from one offs like Nein Nub and Ackbar? From my viewings it seems like they didn't have any Twi'lek, Rodian, or any of the OT races there. I mean yea I know it is a big galaxy and all that, but it would be nice to see some of them, especially on say Canto Bright all things considered.

2 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Just something from TFA and TLJ, does anyone else find it a little odd we don't see any aliens from the previous films aside from one offs like Nein Nub and Ackbar? From my viewings it seems like they didn't have any Twi'lek, Rodian, or any of the OT races there. I mean yea I know it is a big galaxy and all that, but it would be nice to see some of them, especially on say Canto Bright all things considered.

That's a really good point. There was a Quarren in the Canto Bight casino if I recall correctly, but that's about it.

1 minute ago, Animewarsdude said:

Just something from TFA and TLJ, does anyone else find it a little odd we don't see any aliens from the previous films aside from one offs like Nein Nub and Ackbar? From my viewings it seems like they didn't have any Twi'lek, Rodian, or any of the OT races there. I mean yea I know it is a big galaxy and all that, but it would be nice to see some of them, especially on say Canto Bright all things considered.

I'll agree to this one. I was searching for a familiar alien face in the crowd at the casino. Time to pull up a galactic map and see if we're on the other side of the known galaxy out here.

So I saw the film last night.

After reading various reviews and spoilers I went into this film expecting to not like it. Expecting over the top slapstick and a poorly paced film.

Thats not what I saw. I honestly didnt see the humor as being anywhere near the level of Thor (copying the Guardians of the Galaxy). It felt to me very much in line with the humor that we have seen in SW in all of the films. I didnt see a problem with it at all.

I had no issue with the acting, unlike TFA. This film fr me felt much more well put together than the Force Awakens and the performances were much better.

All in all, I enjoyed the film. Its not the best SW by any stretch but it is a good film.

Good things.

I think this film was setting the table for the end. It did just what Kylo was voicing, end the past, kill it if you have to. I am an old school trilogy guy. I saw the original in the theater when I was a kid and have been a fan ever since. I was actually hit with a wave of nostalgia in this film. I felt the old films were being set on the shelf. All of the old mindsets from the old films were giving way to a new pattern. Thats not a bad thing. Luke was excellent, we continue to see him struggle with his role as Jedi. He never felt to me to be a character that was comfortable with the power that he channeled. Here we see him uncomfortable with his role as master dealing with students. In the end he gives himself completely to the Force and it takes him. No doubt we will see him in the last film as a force ghost.

I am not convinced that Rey is just a nobody. Something occurred to me with regard to her and Kylo. Kylo comes from a family that is for all intents an purposes the representation of a "good" family. Han and Leia are good guys. With all that he still turns to the darkness. Rey is our light side Jedi. Her parents are not shown to us. We only have the word of Kylo that they were no one. That they simply traded Rey for drinking money. I am not suggesting that her parents were any particular dark side characters, I just suspect that we will see that they were possibly more than just junk traders.

Kylo killing Snoke. I think this is a good thing. Again its part of changing the nature of the films and setting up for a final battle at the end between Rey and Kylo.

Bad things

I agree with others saying the plot points surrounding the chase were poorly done. They are not bad however there is a better way to handle them without some of the odd things that happened. Overall the film seems to all occur in a single day. Thats terrible. The chase should have went down like this.

We cant jump to lightspeed because of fuel, however we can run outside of their guns. This would unfold very much like an old Age if Sail chase. One ship or fleet chasing another until the wind (or lack of fuel) brings them close enough to fire. The First Order should not have been shooting the whole time they should have simply been in chase keeping the pressure on. I would have kept the big Snoke ship out of the picture and simply had it somewhere else. Rey and Kylo could have been there and the ship could have been near Canto Byte in order to complete a massive arms trade. The whole tracker could have been left out and the presence of a spy could have been the way the FO was tracing them (like the little black BB droid?) Finn and Rose could have went to Canto in order to deal with the arms deal and possibly endanger Snoke in order to pull off the FO from the chase. The death of Snoke could have pulled the FO pursuit ships away but only after the Resistance is so fuel depleted (an down to one ship) that they have to abandon ship and land on Krayt. Then the FO follows up with a landing and we see the same basic ending of the film. This all plays out over several days with lots of tension built up as the Resistance is unable to do anything but run.

All in all I still think it was a good film. Not the best SW but better than TFA.

17 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I'll agree to this one. I was searching for a familiar alien face in the crowd at the casino. Time to pull up a galactic map and see if we're on the other side of the known galaxy out here.

I looked at the map and holy ****, I shouldn't have done that.

In less than 16 or 18 hours, I don't remember exactly , Finn and Rose managed to cluelessly bumble around a huge casino, get captured, thrown into prison, escape, rescue horses, and cross the whole Galaxy twice.

Just now, eMeM said:

I looked at the map and holy ****, I shouldn't have done that.

In 16 or 18 hours, I don't remember exactly , Finn and Rose managed to cluelessly bumble around a huge casino, get captured, thrown into prison, escape, rescue horses, and cross the whole Galaxy twice.

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I've never been satisfied by hyperspace travel times, but ok... This is the worst official offender.

Just now, LagJanson said:

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I've never been satisfied by hyperspace travel times, but ok... This is the worst official offender.

No, the worst offender is TFA's Starkiller base beam attack but yea...this is really bad. Its almost as if they now just want to treat hyperspace, and the force as magic that does whatever the plot needs.

4 minutes ago, eMeM said:

I looked at the map and holy ****, I shouldn't have done that.

In less than 16 or 18 hours, I don't remember exactly , Finn and Rose managed to cluelessly bumble around a huge casino, get captured, thrown into prison, escape, rescue horses, and cross the whole Galaxy twice.

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

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I've never been satisfied by hyperspace travel times, but ok... This is the worst official offender.

Have to agree with both of you. Although in the Clone Wars shows they send Gungans to a war on Mon Calamari because they're "nearby", when Coruscant is way closer and there's no hyperspace lanes between Naboo and Mon Calamari. So it's not the worst ever, actually... I guess the way hyperspace lanes work means that stuff all the way across the Galaxy can actually be closer than stuff relatively nearby, and I think that's usually the explaination.

But yeah, I totally agree with you two, I'm just out of likes for the day...

Just now, Animewarsdude said:

No, the worst offender is TFA's Starkiller base beam attack but yea...this is really bad. Its almost as if they now just want to treat hyperspace, and the force as magic that does whatever the plot needs.

To be fair they pretty much did treat hyperspace and space travel in general as magic but at least things used to spend time in hyperspace and feel like they were travelling.

Another point... I feel some of the systems have moved around. The map looks different. Could be memory failing but Dantooine seems on the wrong side of the Galaxy.

So what was Leias last line at the end? Cause it sure wasn’t “hope”?

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

To be fair they pretty much did treat hyperspace and space travel in general as magic but at least things used to spend time in hyperspace and feel like they were travelling.

Another point... I feel some of the systems have moved around. The map looks different. Could be memory failing but Dantooine seems on the wrong side of the Galaxy.

I think it is mostly the same, but they don't black out the Unknown region anymore.

On 12/13/2017 at 4:28 PM, spacelion said:

What's the ship that the code breaker stole?

Also Resistance Bombers are pretty much useless, they don't do any Trajectory Simulator (I kept hoping they would pull off that move but alas watching them all burn slowly was pretty sad)

.....uh, one carried enough bombs to drop a dreadnaught!

23 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

No, the worst offender is TFA's Starkiller base beam attack but yea...this is really bad. Its almost as if they now just want to treat hyperspace, and the force as magic that does whatever the plot needs.

I'm fine sending an attack through hyperspace I'll suspended my disbelief, but then he has people seeing it travel at sublight speeds, pick one JJ either its in hyperspace traveling at relativistic speeds or its not and people can see it not both.

18 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

.....uh, one carried enough bombs to drop a dreadnaught!

Also, the trajectory simulation bomb throwing was throwing DOWNWARD. They did the launching, just down. Not forward. That wasn't gravity (welcome to space), it was Trajectory Simulator-ing.

6 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

I'm fine sending an attack through hyperspace I'll suspended my disbelief, but then he has people seeing it travel at sublight speeds, pick one JJ either its in hyperspace traveling at relativistic speeds or its not and people can see it not both.

Oh, oops I meant to say that my issue with it was the whole being seen throughout the galaxy by being in hyperspace. BFII's DLC shows that every planet could somehow see the beam that went and hit the Hosnian system. In some ways I get the feeling that the directors/writers are mostly doing what they want without giving much care for how things work in universe, though I guess that is too much to expect for a Sci-fi franchise at this point considering how STD has tech that wouldn't even be used until after TNG despite being set before TOS.

On 16.12.2017 at 2:11 PM, FTS Gecko said:

Didn't you watch the film? Fighters are more dangerous to capital ships than capital ships!

(seriously, it took the entire First Order fleet half the film to destroy the Medical Frigate. If Poe hadn't engaged the Dreadnought, the fleet could have left before the Supremacy even arrived)

This is actually very WWII, isn't it? The payload delivered by torpedo bombers was very comparable to that fired by ships, and could be brought to bear quite precisely.

My reading of shields on Star Wars ships after TLJ is that Fighters quite literally go underneath shields and only have to deal with the armor. We see the "lobbed shots" from the capital ships explode in quite some distance to the Raddus, further away than Kylo was when approaching it on his assault. I'd say this also works rather well with stuff like X-Wings destroying the generators atop a Star Destroyers Bridge in basically knife-fighting distance.

I guess it won't surprise anyone when I say I enjoyed Rogue One one h*ll of a lot more than TLJ. But even though I really disliked parts of TLJ, I just can't pretend there were no parts in it I enjoyed. As a military science fiction guy, the entire space race plot up until the ramming was right up my alley.

I kept looking for new imperial ship possibilities but saw none. I saw a few SF TIES and standard ties but that’s about it. Did anyone see any other imperial ship expansion possibilities?

54 minutes ago, eMeM said:

I looked at the map and holy ****, I shouldn't have done that.

In less than 16 or 18 hours, I don't remember exactly , Finn and Rose managed to cluelessly bumble around a huge casino, get captured, thrown into prison, escape, rescue horses, and cross the whole Galaxy twice.

Oh lord. How on earth did they miss this?

Things like this remind me that I can so very much relate to all these disappointed people here. My low expectations seem to have really saved me this time.

9 minutes ago, DampfGecko said:

As a military science fiction guy, the entire space race plot up until the ramming was right up my alley.

Well, minus the part where a hyper-capable enemy would have projected the enemy's course and jumped ahead to trap them, rather than chase them from behind for 18+ hours.

The First Order doesn't have a very competent military.

1 hour ago, LagJanson said:

To be fair they pretty much did treat hyperspace and space travel in general as magic but at least things used to spend time in hyperspace and feel like they were travelling.

Another point... I feel some of the systems have moved around. The map looks different. Could be memory failing but Dantooine seems on the wrong side of the Galaxy.

Galaxies rotate along their central axis, though most star systems tend to rotate at slightly different rates from one another.

7 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Well, minus the part where a hyper-capable enemy would have projected the enemy's course and jumped ahead to trap them, rather than chase them from behind for 18+ hours.

The First Order doesn't have a very competent military.

And yet they have the quickest turnaround for taking the galaxy over ever. Lei mentions that the First Order had taken all the important systems or something like that so within 2-3 days, though some have mentioned a week, the First Order was able to conquer the galaxy and nearly wipe out the resistance. They are so incompetent apparently they looped right back around into being competent, that or they have some heavy plot power on their side.

9 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Well, minus the part where a hyper-capable enemy would have projected the enemy's course and jumped ahead to trap them, rather than chase them from behind for 18+ hours.

The First Order doesn't have a very competent military.

No, it doesn't (poor Hux).

Regarding the micro-jump possibility- I thought they predicted the enemy running out of fuel in a few short hours. Jumping ahead at lightspeed might not ensure you get back to the front in less time, as the distances traveled at such speed even in seconds must be enormous. Whether they truly didn't jump ahead or they did it just off-screen (wouldn't it be cool if that was actually Hux's "net"? Someone please make that canon)- they may simply have caught them faster this way.

Yes, I'm also disappointed they didn't adress this. This may however be at least a credible hand wave, which would be better than nothing.

14 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

The First Order doesn't have a very competent military.

Which is a point that they drive home a _lot_. There's a lot of really basic stuff that doesn't happen because the leadership of the First Order is badly inexperienced.