13 minutes ago, Kentucky Fried Ewok said:

My son's and I all agreed the casino scenes looked like they were from the Hunger Games series.

The film makers have shoehorned scenes in the TLJ taken from the last 30 years of blockbuster movies.

The whole throne room scene is from Return of the Jedi.
The rebel base scene is clearly from The Empire Strikes Back.
Finn and the cannon is totally from Independence Day.
Canto Bight is lots like Hunger Games, as you said.
The slow chase is from the first Pirates of the Caribbean.
The Resistance last stand in that base, then fleeing thru the "glittering caves" while the heroes do a frontal charge is totally Helm's Deep in The Two Towers.
Chewie in the glittering caves is Lando in the Death Star 2, from Return of the Jedi.
"DJ" is an inversion of Lando in Bespin.

And so on and on...

After this movie, Chewie needs an upgrade to PS9.

2 hours ago, Azrapse said:

Please forgive me for copy/pasting my comment from the No spoiler thread:

You‘re clearly frustrated with the movie, and I won‘t even start because we‘ll never agree.

I just wanted to mention that I really disagree with your reasoning behind conclusions that I can get behind

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

You‘re clearly frustrated with the movie, and I won‘t even start because we‘ll never agree.

I just wanted to mention that I really disagree with your reasoning behind conclusions that I can get behind

It seems to be a very polarizing movie. Just like TFA, I am finding people that totally love it, and people that totally hate it.

The glittering caves was also the asteroid field / asteroid from TESB.
I actually really liked the fact that the Poe/Finn/Rose plan failed, meaning they did nothing in the end. It makes the rebels/resistance, including main characters (Poe, Finn) fallible, and gives credence to the First Order actually being competent. Not all resistance plans need to succeed.

I did very much like the dreadnought captain. He seemed like a competent military person let down by political figures. His ending look was 'well crap, I guess this is it.'

7 hours ago, Nurgle23 said:

I just came home from the movie and I am not sure how to feel about the movie. First impression: too much slapstick.

But oh the whole „who is Snoke?“ and „who are Rey‘s parents“ theories.

Agree 100%

Did not like the comedic direction it took, it all felt forced and unfunny. I was cringing through the whole opening scene with Poe and Hux.

4 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

It seems to be a very polarizing movie. Just like TFA, I am finding people that totally love it, and people that totally hate it.

TFA is my favourite Star Wars. This... well I think you summed it up really well in just how futile it all was and how nobody developed.

Just now, Azrapse said:

It seems to be a very polarizing movie. Just like TFA, I am finding people that totally love it, and people that totally hate it.

Very polarizing, but I‘m neither. There were parts that are imo pretty bad, and others that were amazing. In TFA and my opinion, the split was almost first half/second half. Here it was more scene by scene.

There are some parts that are not horrible anymore with more background.

E.g. the spacewalk. Leia was first trained a bit but then decided to focus on politics again, that plus being in an extreme situation is just enough to swallow that huge bitter pill.

I think the pointless casino stuff did actually serve a purpose but I just realize I start arguing about the points when I said I would not.

1 minute ago, DarthMuz said:

Agree 100%

Did not like the comedic direction it took, it all felt forced and unfunny. I was cringing through the whole opening scene with Poe and Hux.

I agree, it was like Poe was trying to channel Starlord.

The humour in ESB was subtle and unforced. This was pie in the face humour, not suitable for Star Wars. The reviews saying this is as good as ESB baffle me.

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

Very polarizing, but I‘m neither. There were parts that are imo pretty bad, and others that were amazing. In TFA and my opinion, the split was almost first half/second half. Here it was more scene by scene.

There are some parts that are not horrible anymore with more background.

E.g. the spacewalk. Leia was first trained a bit but then decided to focus on politics again, that plus being in an extreme situation is just enough to swallow that huge bitter pill.

I think the pointless casino stuff did actually serve a purpose but I just realize I start arguing about the points when I said I would not.

I didn't mind SuperLeia at all. (My son found her ridiculous flying like that, but that's minor stuff)

I have more problems with why two TIE Fighters could do that to the bridge, and why... you know... didn't they keep doing that for the rest of the movie.

7 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

I have more problems with why two TIE Fighters could do that to the bridge, and why... you know... didn't they keep doing that for the rest of the movie.

This, the whole slow moving caravan of death was just badly written.

3 hours ago, MacchuWA said:

Snoke felt like such a waste. I generally didn't like the movie, but Snoke was particularly badly dealt with in my opinion. He feels like a textbook example of a bad Chekov's Gun: Inserted into the story and then just completely fails to pay off in any meaningful way. Kind if a similar story for Rey's parentage. I know that in both cases the outcome they chose would have made sense in the real world - Snoke wouldn't go around repeating his back story at every chance he got, and the odds of Rey's parents being anybody significant were extremely low mathematically. But narratives don't work on real world rules, and building up mysteries with no pay off or an unsatisfying pay off is bad storytelling.

Agree with this too. i was really hoping for a bit more about where Snoke and his First Order came from, how does he have force powers and how did he influence Kylo Ren. Now he's been cut in half and replaced and things continue as normal is rather unsatisfying.

But I still think Rey is too special to have nobodies for parents. The junk traders might just be a disguise to keep people off their trail when someone like Ren "sees" who they are, thus preserving their true identity??

1 hour ago, FlyingToaster said:

I very much enjoyed it, and think it worked very well. The Canto Bight bit was a bit of a sidetrack, but it was also good in that it got the resistance out into the galaxy at large.

As to Rey's parents - do people think that Ben/Kylo was telling the truth? I don't. The link thing really makes me think they are siblings, as the only other people we see with this sort of link are Luke and Leia...

Snoke being effectively a nobody was a bit sad, and I do want to find out more about him. His end was very fitting though, and very darkside. The apprentice kills the master when he gets the chance.

At the end of the movie after Snoke's dead they kinda suggest that connection is still there, and Snoke is no longer there to take credit... so who knows

1 minute ago, Kentucky Fried Ewok said:

This, the whole slow moving caravan of death was just badly written.

Yeah, agree here too.

The big niggles:

1) space Leia was stupid, ****, and actually pretty tasteless

2) Admiral Hoopla's refusal to share an entirely simple to explain plan was ridiculous

3) hyperspace smash-mouth superweapon they never thought of up to now was bollocks

4) getting blue-balled about Reys parents

5) getting blue-balled about Snoke's backstory

6) getting blue-balled by Phasma's return

7) Maz Kanata

8) the casino, the younglings, the chase... it all felt very Prequel

9) supreme leader pointless exposition and now oh I'm dead.

10) pretty much anything BB8 did

So despite really liking it, I have another nitpick that I wonder if anyone else spotted.
In the space chase scenes, when the FO ships are firing at the resistance cruiser/transports/etc - the green turbolaser blasts follow a ballistic trajectory. You can see them arcing up and then down.
What? Why? Firstly, it's in space, so that kind of arc is crazy. Second, nowhere before have we seen laser blasts be affected by gravity.

3 hours ago, Azrapse said:

While TFA was a remake of Star Wars, TLJ is the deconstruction of it. The flesh is ripped off the bones and consumed, leaving a skeleton of what it was, that is covered with a collage of "The Best of Star Wars" to hide how dead is inside.

There. For the first time in 30 years we will be in uncharted territory.

It was about time.

1 minute ago, FlyingToaster said:

So despite really liking it, I have another nitpick that I wonder if anyone else spotted.
In the space chase scenes, when the FO ships are firing at the resistance cruiser/transports/etc - the green turbolaser blasts follow a ballistic trajectory. You can see them arcing up and then down.
What? Why? Firstly, it's in space, so that kind of arc is crazy. Second, nowhere before have we seen laser blasts be affected by gravity.

I was just thinking on that. It's like the 60 kilometer wide star destroyer is just now and then firing with a catapult at the cruiser. Not only the filmmakers apparently ignore how space works, but they chose to ignore how Star Wars projectiles have worked in all past movies.

Just now, Odanan said:

There. For the first time in 30 years we will be in uncharted territory.

It was about time.

In a discussion about Gameplay >>> Fluff, @DarthEnderX said something like
"If I didn't care about Star Wars lore and only about the game, I wouldn't be playing a Star Wars game"

Well, I do say that if I didn't care about Star Wars lore I wouldn't be watching a Star Wars movie.
Jettisoning the lore that has been built for the past 40 years just because "It's about time"...
Disney had plenty of uncharted territory without the need of having to burn it all to the ground first.

47 minutes ago, Kentucky Fried Ewok said:

After this movie, Chewie needs an upgrade to PS9.

He was always the PS9 in the Millennium Falcon. He just never takes credit.

5 hours ago, Odanan said:

And a new F/O Shuttle ("Snoke's Transport")

First Order Transport (generic 27 points)

4, 2, 5, 5

Focus, TL, Coordinate

System, System, Tech, Tech, Crew

Upsilon dial but with less red.

It would be a support ship not focused on crew.

2 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

In a discussion about Gameplay >>> Fluff, @DarthEnderX said something like
"If I didn't care about Star Wars lore and only about the game, I wouldn't be playing a Star Wars game"

Well, I do say that if I didn't care about Star Wars lore I wouldn't be watching a Star Wars movie.
Jettisoning the lore that has been built for the past 40 years just because "It's about time"...
Disney had plenty of uncharted territory without the need of having to burn it all to the ground first.

To me it felt like watching a 4th Lord of the Rings movie made by George Martin. It was refreshing, and I want more of it.

I'm... mixed.

I really enjoyed the movie (mainly because I love seeing the First Oder kick ***!) but everyone here has given a lot of reason to hate it. I would agree that the comedy is a little forced (says the guy who tries to make puns out of everything!), the space scenes are some of the best yet, and I actually enjoyed the Canto Bight bit. It was neat to see the more refined, civilized part of the galaxy that was mostly only explored in a time period 70-80 years before. I like where they went with Rey's parents, mostly because I was sick of all the theories! Having them just be ordinary people of no significance shows that Rey's past doesn't matter. Forwards is the only way to go.

Ivve seen it once, and I have tickets to three more showings this weekend, so I'll keep my eye out for possible new X Wing ships and laugh at everyone who gasps at everything.

Just adding some more notes of a raving lunatic to this collective mind.

35 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

The big niggles:

1) space Leia was stupid, ****, and actually pretty tasteless

2) Admiral Hoopla's refusal to share an entirely simple to explain plan was ridiculous

3) hyperspace smash-mouth superweapon they never thought of up to now was bollocks

4) getting blue-balled about Reys parents

5) getting blue-balled about Snoke's backstory

6) getting blue-balled by Phasma's return

7) Maz Kanata

8) the casino, the younglings, the chase... it all felt very Prequel

9) supreme leader pointless exposition and now oh I'm dead.

10) pretty much anything BB8 did

Psst! SOTL!

Just letting you know...

Capatalization at the beginning of a sentence still applys in a list.

Things that bugged me -

Starkiller base fired a few shots and the entire New Republic navy is gone? There’s like not even a stray frigate or two? No naval bases that weren’t in the Josmian system? Talk about eggs in one basket.

i kind of needed a block and tackle to suspend my disbelief there.

Snoke. I mean, they made him this scary larger than life figure I TFA and he was just an angry white guy in TLJ, no menace, no backstory, no trace of the wisdom or drive that carved the First Order out of the remains of the empire.

None of the questions from TFA were answered. Seriously, who are the first Jedi that will awaken? Who are the knights of Ren?

The initial battle.... sucked. Pretty animations I guess... but Poe’s suicide run was ridiculous, the bombers were a massive anticlimax, Kylos contribution was literally everything in the trailer.

They never explained how the Resitance was being tracked. There were a lot of random zoom ins around the bridge as if there was going to be a traitor aboard. And there was no elaboration on what the plan was after the scanner was offline for a short window, I mean, if they can track through hyperspace surely a few minutes head start isn’t going to help?

If jumping to hyperspace causes so much damage, why aren’t there hyperspace Missiles?

Despite this, I feel Rey’s development was strong, I enjoyed Luke’s confrontation with Kylo, and I heartily hope that their thief isn’t a throwaway character.

And this is my main question, where the **** is Jess Pava?