12 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

It was just FIRE lol.

Fire from an explosion after a long fall in a ship that had a big section falling off because it was hyper rammed by another capitol ship. I get what you're saying and it wouldn't be any more ridiculous than Maul, in fact far less so, but I personally wouldn't like to see her just saunter up saying "FN-2187!" in the next movie.

9 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Heat is just another kind of light. She might have lost that eye though.

No her armour deflected the bolt it did not absorb the heat, it's two different principles.

Then there's also asphyxiation we know first order armour is not void sealed like GCW stormtrooper armour was.

TL/DR

Why didn't the First Order hyperspace to the front of the Republic Cruiser?

Also I love the Kylo-Rey Frenemy thing they have going

6 minutes ago, patox said:

TL/DR

Why didn't the First Order hyperspace to the front of the Republic Cruiser?

because in the movie their leaders are drooling idiots.

I thought the movie had some cool parts, but some of the things felt forced, rushed, and downright dumb. Any person with any tactical sense would give a ship as vital as a Dreadnaught more than like 5 anti-aircraft guns....and the bombers were slow-rolling terds. What guy thought that was a good idea? They are basically asking for them to be blown up. What happened to the Y-wings? Phasma was a letdown as well. You would think she would make sure Finn was dead. The movie as a whole felt....off somehow.

I'm so conflicted over this movie. I feel it's brilliant for how it ties in all the books/comics/cartoons (specifically Rebels). I hate for how forced the comedy is... One minute I hate it...the next I love it. Is it secretly the most brilliant Star Wars for how much debate its causing? Like all good art it has created a ton of debate and polarizing opinions..... Am I surprised it's a hot mess? NO! Because I have not liked one thing Rian Johnson has done. I am not hopeful for his trilogy.

The opening scene was awesome. That space battle was intense, amazing, and just... wow Poe does what Poe does in the game... buddy had BB8 barrel rolls, intensity, advanced optics, and integrated astromech for his integrated astromech...and even pattern analyser and VI. So good. So good!!!! The comic relief slap stick of Hux vs Snoke felt forced and embarrassing. The "do you hear me now?" skit was fun, but when the first 10 minutes of the movie is filled with 5 minutes of slap stick... I am disappoint.

The first exchange between Luke and Rey. Didn't go as expected, but was well done and I enjoyed it. In fact the whole Luke and Rey story arc is something I spent more time on! But I wanted more because I was excited with how there were nuggets of info from Rebels/Bendu and I was hoping for a deeper reflection on that... but really, we got a much deeper explanation of the Balance from Bendu and Kanan scenes. The mirror image scene was very cool and on reflecting and drawing parallel to the cave scene I think it was masterful. Well done.

Space Walking Leia is bull crap. Yes I saw it in Clone Wars. It's still bull crap.

Deus-Ex BB8... is stupid.

Finn... can we get more from this character? Or could he just die please? His story arc was the same as in Force Awakens. Escape, meet girl, run run run run run, try and be heroic. Oh wait, girl got hurt. Oh, and dude seems to love anything that looks at him. Most desperate man in the galaxy.

Oh man, I'm so conflicted.... Even my thought process is a jumbled mess (like the movie).

The Reys parents reveal.... if it's true, is just BS. How HOW can she be that powerful and connected and not be part of a lineage. Or is she just that open to the force? She should be no more powerful than Ezra in season one based on all we know about her. Her understanding of the force when she meets Luke is at least accurate to what I think she does know... but gah.... this burning question for 2 years and we get this for an answer is... not fun. I truly think it's a diversion.

Kylo Ren going off the deep end crazy evil was perfect. That whole fight scene in the throne room.... just...so much yes!

The Luke scene during the battle... also awesome

I wanted more DJ.

I wanted less horse track BS.

The 3ish day night cycles with Rey & Luke vs 18 hours with the fleet... WTF. Okay, same question they had with Yoda/Luke vs Falcon vs Vader

Finn vs Phasma. WORST FIGHT ENDING EVER! *comic book guy voice*

Giraffe Milking - W T F

The whole force connection thing.... I'm not sure how I feel about it. At the time I didn't like it at all. Now, in reflection I liked it but not enough to say it was awesome.

I'm so torn up about this.... is it brilliance disguised under a hot mess?

at the end of the day I did enjoy it. but it wasn't as solid as it could be, and I think if they gave Finn more depth, took out at least half of the comedy, and worked on developing Rey a bit more (THE MAIN EFFIN CHARACTER!) it would have been a lot better.

Finally

NOT ENOUGH A-WING

The other thing I took issue with was the lack of blatant Battlestar Galactica copy-catting. You have the Resistance's main battleship being chased down by the superior numbers of the first order, who can track them through hyperspace. The best they do is have the spaceship equivalent of a wheelchair chase, while the First Order impotently shoots a few lasers at them? Snooze! Why aren't the rebels fighting a rearguard fighter/capitol battle every 33 minutes before FTLing away? All the while we watch them fatigue, lose all hope, and spiral into depression and despair.

It's literally one of the best episodes of BSG. Copy the **** out of that.

5 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

because in the movie their leaders are drooling idiots.

The Empire was a bunch of idiots in the OT as well, but that’s just Star Wars.

As for the rest of the criticisms, I thought about it, and maybe Kylo wasn’t exactly talking only to Rey and the writers/Disney was recommending that we should all kill the past and the expectations we’ve tied to it. Or we should at least reflect on these expectations and realize the OT isn’t some perfect gospel of our imagination that we must abide to. There is a lot to enjoy about the movie, you just need to keep an open mind.

And seriously, someone please tell me how Rogue One is perfect or infinitely better than TLJ, because the characters and plot from R1 was just trash. Another Death Star movie? Obvious reshoots to make it more palatable for selling toys to children? CGI Tarkin because there was no other alternative? With the exception of K2, they all die in mediocre explosions, there were more Easter eggs than the Easter Bunny could vomit out in a century, and the whole transmitting the Death Star plans to be pdf’d into a floppy disk for a Vader nerd orgy left me sick of Star Wars for awhile. The space battle was cool, but the whole movie should’ve just been the space battle.

I think the worst for me was teasing the t-65 underwater, then me waiting the whole rest of the movie to see luke going all Red-5 on some FO Tie fighters.... massive let down

I can't get over them re!ying on 8 turrets to protect a capital ship, no one would fly without fighter screens.

40 minutes ago, Ravncat said:

I loved the myriad homages to akira kurosawa films - So many! though my favorite was for Rashomon...

Extremely nice attention to details, with many things well foreshadowed from the beginning - from raindrops to betrayal...

cinematography was amazing - far more substance to this film than expected. Looking forward to watching it again to catch things I missed...

Agreed.

The logic blows my mind. Another scene that irked me was after the hyperspace jump through the ships. Finn and Rose get up and everyone else is dead. Phasma was right there with them, but then she comes out of smoke from nowhere with some other Stormtroopers.

1 hour ago, Sarcon said:

Fun movie, although Snoke only turned out to be half the man I thought he would be...

I spent my last "like" today with this. It worthed.

1 hour ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

I can’t believe any of you really think phasma died right there.

She is more roasted than a porg by now.

When I do go see it I hope people are quiet and don’t hoot and cheer the whole time. When I went to see TFA every time an old character made an appearance the theatre would burst out in applause. I like to “lose” myself in a film and it’s hard when people cheer, talk, chew popcorn, and hit me with the perfume job.

I hate the movies.

Really a ship of that mass jumping to some fraction of the speed of light would do more than take a wing off.

5 hours ago, debiler said:

Putting one's disappointment into words can be some sort of catharsis, at least it is for me. I want to share my experience with people. I want you guys to know that I have never, ever been so disappointed in a movie. I want to read opinions from others. What they liked, what they didn't like. It helps to overcome this overwhelming feeling of 'meh' I have right now. Not every post on here is horrid.

Ok, ok, I couldn't stay away. This movie was really fun! It ended, and I felt totally satisfied. But you know what? I completely understand how you guys feel about it because it's exactly how I felt after The Force Awakens. I just felt empty, like I found out all of my Christmas presents early, and none of them were the one thing I really wanted, so I had nothing to look forward to. That's how TFA felt for me. But just as @Celestial Lizards said about TLJ, I felt that TFA got better with multiple viewings.

However, I still can't get over how awesome The Last Jedi was. I'm not ashamed to say it. Even now, I'm grinning just thinking about all the cool parts. Like Yoda! Yoda?! Are you kidding me?! That was totally amazing and unexpected! I also really, really loved the visual effects of the hyperspace kamikaze move. The whole theatre literally gasped outloud - it was so visceral, experiencing the movie together with other fans. Loved it.

15 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

I feel it's brilliant for how it ties in all the books/comics/cartoons (specifically Rebels). I hate for how forced the comedy is... One minute I hate it...the next I love it. Is it secretly the most brilliant Star Wars for how much debate its causing? Like all good art it has created a ton of debate and polarizing opinions.....

This. ^

Just now, Pooleman said:

When I do go see it I hope people are quiet and don’t hoot and cheer the whole time. When I went to see TFA every time an old character made an appearance the theatre would burst out in applause. I like to “lose” myself in a film and it’s hard when people cheer, talk, chew popcorn, and hit me with the perfume job.

I hate the movies.

My packed showing was dead silent even the little kids didn't laugh at the jokes, zero clapping as credits rolled and no real discourse as we walked out.

Scary given how happy people leaving the disaster artist the week before, now that got applause.

13 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

The Empire was a bunch of idiots in the OT as well, but that’s just Star Wars.

As for the rest of the criticisms, I thought about it, and maybe Kylo wasn’t exactly talking only to Rey and the writers/Disney was recommending that we should all kill the past and the expectations we’ve tied to it. Or we should at least reflect on these expectations and realize the OT isn’t some perfect gospel of our imagination that we must abide to. There is a lot to enjoy about the movie, you just need to keep an open mind.

Agreed. The "Imperials" in this film felt the most competent in a SW movie.

About forgetting the past, they do it a lot in TLJ. Kylo, Yoda burning the old Jedi teachings, even Luke ("This is not going to end the way you think")...

Just now, patox said:

TL/DR

Why didn't the First Order hyperspace to the front of the Republic Cruiser?

This may be the thing that bothered me the most. I get that this is Star Wars and you have to have some suspension of disbelief going in. That's perfectly fine! Holdo's hyperspace missile didn't bother me. Finn and Rose miraculously meeting another master codebreaker in their cell didn't bother me. Luke Force projecting himself halfway across the galaxy didn't bother me. But the entire premise of this chase scene did. Why didn't they just take half the FO fleet and hyperspace in front of the Resistance to intercept? It seemed like such an obvious answer to the problem and took me right out of the film as I was watching.

Like, it wouldn't be such a sticking point if it didn't drive the entire plot of the film. But it did, and that's the part that bothers me. I hate not understanding the driving force between the entire Resistance/FO plot in this film. Was it simple arrogance on the FO's part? That feels like a total cop-out of an answer to me. Yes, the FO is full of arrogant idiots just like the Empire, but to have that arrogance and stupidity be the thing that drives the entire plot just feels cheap.

I have a cousin who can't see this film because reasons, so he's going to call me up in a day or so and ask me to summarize the film for him. I know that when I get to this film-spanning chase scene, he's going to ask "but why didn't they just jump ahead of them?" and I won't have an answer for him.

I actually did really like a large portion of the film. It had some of the best scenes of any SW movie. But there were some major issues I had with the plot, and this was one of them.

2 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

When I do go see it I hope people are quiet and don’t hoot and cheer the whole time. When I went to see TFA every time an old character made an appearance the theatre would burst out in applause. I like to “lose” myself in a film and it’s hard when people cheer, talk, chew popcorn, and hit me with the perfume job.

I hate the movies.

This. My theater was packed, because it was the midnight premiere. Most of them laughed like idiots at every single dumb sight gag. The guy next to me was babbling the whole time: "Oh. Oh my gosh. No. Wow. Oh my gosh..." I hate people.

2 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

I actually did really like a large portion of the film. It had some of the best scenes of any SW movie. But there were some major issues I had with the plot, and this was one of them.

I believe that is the underlying issue. There are so many awesome scenes to the movie. But they are assembled in such a way that, I at least, am left feeling cheated and disapointed.

51 minutes ago, Smutpedler said:

Fire from an explosion after a long fall in a ship that had a big section falling off because it was hyper rammed by another capitol ship. I get what you're saying and it wouldn't be any more ridiculous than Maul, in fact far less so, but I personally wouldn't like to see her just saunter up saying "FN-2187!" in the next movie.

Oh, she's coming back. All burny and angry. Just stamp that one in your ledger as PAID.