45 minutes ago, Atticus Havelock said:

I firmly believe it is Rian Johnson’s intent for this to be the truth. And I applauded the reveal, because it was better than all the speculation that preceeded it.

When Rey confronts the mirror and asks for the truth about her parents, the image on the other side is her. Because who her parents are does not matter. What matters is who she is. She is free from the burden of her parents; this makes her yet again the opposite of Kylo Ren.

When Kylo tells Rey that she is not a part of this story, it felt as though Johnson was talking to the audience. As if to say, “Throw away your fan theories; the galaxy does not revolve around the Skywalkers.”

And, as if to emphasize the point, the very last scene is of a “nobody” kid using the Force.

I worry this might be one of the issues where JJ Abrams “tugs” back and issues a retcon in Episode IX. If it does turn out that Rey is a Skywalker or a Kenobi, then I think the story will be weaker for it. I hope he does not go that route.

Rian basically says this in an interview:

“But for me, in that moment, Kylo believes it’s the truth,” Johnson added. “I don’t think he’s purely playing chess. I think that’s what he saw when they touched fingers and that’s what he believes. And when he tells her that in that moment, she believes it.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the-last-jedi-spoiler-rey-parents/2/

Kylo wasn't playing around. Rey's parents really are nobody. The question is whether or not JJ will re-interpret this scene for IX.

5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I just can't understand this analogy.

OK. Imagine Snoke as Mon Mothma.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

OK. Imagine Snoke as Mon Mothma.

I am even more lost now...

Red Letter Media finally got their review up today

1 minute ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I am even more lost now...

We get her presented as leader of the rebellion. The organisation which fights from the outer rim and support of some core worlds against the galactic government to restore the old order.
Meanwhile Snoke is the leader of the First Order, the organisation which fights from the unknown region and with support of some core worlds against the galactic government to restore the new order.

Both have their sympasiers in the senate, etc
Did you ever feel like empire did not gave you enough exposition on Mon Mothma after she was introduced as the leader of the rebellion in Star Wars?

3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

So you mean to say that some person, even gifted, could learn about a given activity and then master it at gold medal Olympics proficiency within a week?

I'm saying that Roger Federer would learn Badminton faster than you or me.

I do have another issue with the movie:

The way the admiral chick defeats snoke's ship.

Didn't we see another rebel ship unintentionally attempt that in Rogue One and instead it just crashed into the hull of the Star Destroyer and blew up?

I'm assuming their excuse is that the ship she's on is bigger than the ship in Rogue One, but Snoke's ship still makes her's look like a pea compared to a skyscraper.

2 minutes ago, Warlon said:

I do have another issue with the movie:

The way the admiral chick defeats snoke's ship.

Didn't we see another rebel ship unintentionally attempt that in Rogue One and instead it just crashed into the hull of the Star Destroyer and blew up?

I'm assuming their excuse is that the ship she's on is bigger than the ship in Rogue One, but Snoke's ship still makes her's look like a pea compared to a skyscraper.

3.5km vs 60km
In Rogue one we had iirc one GR-75 crashing into an ISD, so 100m vs 1600m. 16x3.5km = 56km ;-)

It still only a minor issue, not a problem with the plot, but with the world building. And it was not handled well in RO either.

59 minutes ago, defkhan1 said:

Rian basically says this in an interview:

“But for me, in that moment, Kylo believes it’s the truth,” Johnson added. “I don’t think he’s purely playing chess. I think that’s what he saw when they touched fingers and that’s what he believes. And when he tells her that in that moment, she believes it.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the-last-jedi-spoiler-rey-parents/2/

Kylo wasn't playing around. Rey's parents really are nobody. The question is whether or not JJ will re-interpret this scene for IX.

Given JJ's track record, I would be surprised if he didn't retcon this scene to make her at least parents of.... somebody. Even a loose connection to the OT would be nice. Her parents were Rebels or imperials or both and after Jakku they stayed and became junk traders but because all they ever knew was war they sucked at it and fell into financial hardship and ended up leaving Rey with Unkar Plutt because they couldn't provide for her.

I'm sort of releived she's not related, but at the same time you're telling me the force made Rey as powerful as the grandson of Anakin Skywalker, one of the most powerful Jedi in the universe, for balancing purposes? Sounds kind of Pre-quel era cheesy if you ask me.

12 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I just saw TLJ for the second time, this time with my whole family.

I absolutely loved it. Sure it has a few issues, (entire Canto plot line I’m looking at you) but on whole it’s a triumph.

Luke’s arc in this film was perfect, and the climactic show-down with Kylo using his force projection for me encapsulated everything about the Jedi way.

The emotional tugs felt even stronger (Leia projected from R2-D2, Luke looking into binary sunset) the second go around.

My wife loved it too but said she missed Han. She also didn’t like a lot of the humor so I see where people are coming from it just didn’t bother me.

On the whole the set up is pretty slow but I enjoy every second of the Luke/Rey scenes and her struggles on Ach-To. (Spelling?) But once Rey goes to Snoke’s ship, the pacing is spot on.

And to see the look on my 5 year old girl’s face as she watched her hero Rey beat the bad guys was a real moment for this Star Wars fan.

Good to see you post in a more relaxed fashion, BlodVargarna. For all the issues I have with the movie (which obviously still affected my overall feelings about the film in a negative way), I am finally able to understand your position on TLJ.

So post TLJ, here's my Snoke theory.

Basically evil mirror universe version of the Kyp Durran story. Every place a jedi master sets up has some kind of darkside nexus nearby. Even the Jedi Temple on corusant is apparently built on a goddam darkside verdance. So Luke sets up his academy near exar kun's Snoke's tomb, with an actual Snoke mummy because snoke has a body. Apprentice accidently awakens Snoke without Luke knowing, Luke starts dealing with dark side influence on his students, finds the hooks deep in Ben Solo, and the presence of the darkside makes even a jedi master quick to fear. Luke catches himself, ashamed, but it's too late, as we saw. Kylo, the awakened Snoke mummy, and other dark-influenced apprentices burn down the academy and run away. Luke is overcome with remorse and failure- sends R2 to leia with a final message and vanishes into the unknown regions.

12 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

So post TLJ, here's my Snoke theory.

Basically evil mirror universe version of the Kyp Durran story. Every place a jedi master sets up has some kind of darkside nexus nearby. Even the Jedi Temple on corusant is apparently built on a goddam darkside verdance. So Luke sets up his academy near exar kun's Snoke's tomb, with an actual Snoke mummy because snoke has a body. Apprentice accidently awakens Snoke without Luke knowing, Luke starts dealing with dark side influence on his students, finds the hooks deep in Ben Solo, and the presence of the darkside makes even a jedi master quick to fear. Luke catches himself, ashamed, but it's too late, as we saw. Kylo, the awakened Snoke mummy, and other dark-influenced apprentices burn down the academy and run away. Luke is overcome with remorse and failure- sends R2 to leia with a final message and vanishes into the unknown regions.

I...actually would be ok with this, it ties up the Snoke plot hole pretty nicely. However, might not work given that there's a lot of infrastructure already built around him at the FO (Imperial Guards, supreme leader etc) that seems to suggest he was there from the start, not just the last few years. Could be written around fairly easily though.

2 hours ago, TheVeteranSergeant said:

Red Letter Media finally got their review up today

Cool.

Now I know what opinion to have on the movie.

1 hour ago, Rakaydos said:

So post TLJ, here's my Snoke theory.

Basically evil mirror universe version of the Kyp Durran story. Every place a jedi master sets up has some kind of darkside nexus nearby. Even the Jedi Temple on corusant is apparently built on a goddam darkside verdance. So Luke sets up his academy near exar kun's Snoke's tomb, with an actual Snoke mummy because snoke has a body. Apprentice accidently awakens Snoke without Luke knowing, Luke starts dealing with dark side influence on his students, finds the hooks deep in Ben Solo, and the presence of the darkside makes even a jedi master quick to fear. Luke catches himself, ashamed, but it's too late, as we saw. Kylo, the awakened Snoke mummy, and other dark-influenced apprentices burn down the academy and run away. Luke is overcome with remorse and failure- sends R2 to leia with a final message and vanishes into the unknown regions.

Okey, that would be awesome actually. Too bad Luke had to die in this movie thought. Could vad been a cool conclusion.

Can you write the next movie?

2 hours ago, Warlon said:

I do have another issue with the movie:

The way the admiral chick defeats snoke's ship.

Didn't we see another rebel ship unintentionally attempt that in Rogue One and instead it just crashed into the hull of the Star Destroyer and blew up?

I'm assuming their excuse is that the ship she's on is bigger than the ship in Rogue One, but Snoke's ship still makes her's look like a pea compared to a skyscraper.

The GR-75 didn’t actually go into hyperspace. It was about to though. Had Vader dropped 3 seconds later his ship would have been torn apart.

Yup. Several ships jumped out just before he arrived, and one was just about to when he ran it over.

I do wonder if that scene is what gave the writers the idea.

@FlyingAnchors Only if you consider that the Devastator has enough mass to pull a GR-75 out of hyperspace. I think that the most defendable theory is that the Supremacy has enough mass to be able to pull large objects out of hyperspace, thus its size was its downfall.

On the same topic, it is massive enough that something I really would love to see in IX is a semi repaired Supremacy, with a few extra engines on the remaining wing and some makeshift patches on the tear. It is big enough, and the intact part of it seems to still be functioning almost normally for this to make sense in many respects.

And you people complaining about TLJ... there are things much worse in Star Wars.

4 minutes ago, Odanan said:

And you people complaining about TLJ... there are things much worse in Star Wars.

There's things much better as well. It's not a particularly bad film, it's not a particularly good film. It's just the film we got.

4 minutes ago, Odanan said:

And you people complaining about TLJ... there are things much worse in Star Wars.

You think it's bad, but here is something that's worse

Therefor TLJ is not flawed

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

There's things much better as well. It's not a bad film, it's not a good film. It's just an average film.

So why people are campaigning so hard to destroy it? I mean, look the review bombings out there. Is "0" a reasonable rating for a movie as well executed? (if you guys know Akira Kurosawa, you know TLJ has the best cinematography in the series)

8 hours ago, dsul413 said:

Did you read the article? Its a positive article.

Ohh OK.

Sorry!

1 minute ago, Odanan said:

So why people are campaigning so hard to destroy it? I mean, look the review bombings out there. Is "0" a reasonable rating for a movie as well executed? (if you guys know Akira Kurosawa, you know TLJ has the best cinematography in the series)

Because the internet is a zero sum game for a lot of people.

Is it fair for it to be a zero? No, definitely not. It was still overall a very watchable experience. However, there are definitely a lot of issues with it and some people are happy pointing this out relatively civilly while others immediately jump to:

"ITS THE WORST EVARRR!" Luckily, most of the negative comments here I think are mostly civil and pointing out actual problems.

The other side of this is that there's a bit of a feedback loop sometimes:

'I don't like this movie because x'

'Well, you're an idiot!'

*Several hours later*

'Screw it, I'm giving it a zero! That will show the internet'

4 minutes ago, Odanan said:

So why people are campaigning so hard to destroy it? I mean, look the review bombings out there. Is "0" a reasonable rating for a movie as well executed? (if you guys know Akira Kurosawa, you know TLJ has the best cinematography in the series)

For the same reason people are giving it 10 out of 10 and refusing to acknowledge valid complaints and criticism, I guess. That's not a reasonable score for a deeply flawed and deeply divisive film either. The light, the dark... the answer lies somewhere in between.

I'd probably give it a 6 or 7. And 8 or 9 without Holdo holding a gigantic idiot ball for basically her entire existence.