Star Wars 8 - The Last Jedi - Reviews (SPOILERS!!)

By IG88E, in X-Wing Off-Topic

Totally different direction, I think Finn and Rey are just awesome characters and I am thrilled that they take center stage.

Finn's background was right in the movies from the get go. He is exactly what an unexpected hero should be. Every time Finn runs, pretty much it is the smart move, and sure, sometimes he's foiled (Rose is hilarious) but when it comes to mat time, Finn is as brave as anyone. And that is a character I can get behind.

Rey's background of her parents being nobody is so awesomely Star Wars. It so drives away from the metachlorian nonsense, and knocks against some sort of hereditary nature of the force nonsense. Besides, it is awesome in that it tears into the endless need to connect everything and everyone, that typical pandering desire to tie all things in to make the audience go OOOHOOOH that's X's daughter OOOH. Sure, some of that is fine! I love it too, as soap opera as it is. But not every single forever character who uses The Force should be tracing their lineage back to some sort of point of singularity, like some Force emperorship or nobility or nonsense.

And if anything, The Force, the light side, is certainly the power of the downtrodden. A magnificent foil for Kylo Ren.

11 hours ago, Sithborg said:

The only part that Rian destroys and doesn't build back up, is the idea of "The Chosen One".

He does deconstruct the idea of the legendary heroes in Star Wars. Showing them that they aren't perfect. And shows what would have happened in those dashing adventures had failed. But the important point is that new heroes would be able to arise. That anyone could be a hero.

But of course, a pretty big call that Star Wars isn't necessarily about the Skywalkers or Solos any more is going to no sit well.



Dude, you're not being very charitable to the critical fans' position, here.

I don't care that 'Our Heroes' aren't perfect. I don't care that the "Chosen One" prophecy was largely bunk. I don't care that non-Skywalkers can be powerful force-wielders and have their own tales of heroism. That fallibility and torch-passing stuff is welcomed in a new story about a new generation.

What is absolutely dumb, though, is how the Force is entirely re-invented in these new films, ignoring six theatrical films and a pile of expanded material over 40 years. Anakin was supposed to be "the most powerful" force-user the Jedi Order had encountered in over 1,000 years. And then WHAM-BAM, all of the sudden we've got two new users with "more raw power" than ever experienced, and they come along just a mere two generations later? That's just lazy-*** storytelling that is trying to hit us over the heat with "HEY THESE NEW CHARACTERS ARE SUPER!" We have to watch Poe go god mode and solo First Order squadrons and Dreadnoughts while we hear someone scream in our ear "that's a **** of a pilot" because he's the most-bestest-greatest. We have to see giant-mega-ultra-super class warships and walkers because they're the most-bestest-greatest. The whole new trilogy is just Tim Allen grunting and going "MOAR POWER URGH URGH URGH!" This is the same with Kylo and Rey, who are the "most raw power" users Luke has ever felt, and he's been around Yoda, Vader, and Palpatine. That just doesn't jive with the established world of Anakin being an exceptional once-in-a-thousand-years kind of force-user...

But fine, maybe two more come along. That could happen, I guess, point granted. BUT what still makes no sense is that they (namely Rey) have mastered a variety of Force techniques like mind-tricks and telekinesis with basically no training whatsoever. Random stable-kids are using the Force to pull brooms into their hands. WTF?! Even Anakin had to use a little magnet-tool to grab a wire of his podracer that was a few inches away. Why wasn't Luke going around using the Force to flip on vaporators? Because that's not how one got into communion with the Force, it's at least always required a bit of focused training and a particular kind of awareness and discipline to understand the intricacies of the Force. Now you've got little stable boys whipping brooms into their hands without a moment of effort (remember how much Luke had to concentrate to pull the lightsaber into his hand in the Wampa cave? And he'd already heard all about the Force and had some guidance from Obi-Wan). You've got Rey rivaling Luke's abilities, having only really thought about the Force for about two days and with zero training.

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It takes the "hero's journey" aspect of Star Wars and the struggle and perseverance that goes along with that and just cuts it out and says "HEY HERE'S HEROES! AND THEY'RE BIGGER AND BADDER AND BETTER THAN EVER!!!!" Rian Johnson and Disney didn't make a Star Wars movie... they made a Superhero movie. And that's not what I want when I go to see Star Wars...even if I like Superhero Movies. Rey might as well have been bit by a Radioactive Spider and awoken one morning with her powers.

And THAT is what we don't like about this film. Not that it deconstructs the Skywalker family or grants the force or the hero-role to others. Those things are fine, but it's how lazily and inconsistently they've gone about passing that torch which really just spits in the face of 40 years of established rules and principles about how the universe works.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

But now, the new movies are making the old movies make no sense,

No, it's making the books that accompanied the old EU make no sense. The movies aren't caused much grief here. I'm a multi-GM with old WEG as well, and I agree that it created a lot of the details that helped bind everything together... But if you remove it, nothing says communications can't work in hyperspace. Nothing says you can't override some safety device if you're suicidal enough to jump into a planet.

I think people are over thinking the ram ship idea, you'd need a simple box filled with water, valves at certain points for basic navigation using the fore mentioned water as propellant and the hyperdrive.

In comparison to a cruiser such a ship is dirt cheap to mass produce probably cheaper that a fighter craft.

That's going to make cap ships obsolete.

12 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

No, it's making the books that accompanied the old EU make no sense. The movies aren't caused much grief here.


I mean, read my post above about why it makes the old films make no sense. Namely, you've got even little stable boys whipping brooms into their hands via the Force, whereas even Anakin and Luke couldn't manifest such abilities without teachings and trainings. Rey is seeminlgy as powerful as Luke ever was at the end of RotJ, and she's had no teachings or trainings about the Force. Both Kylo and Rey have "more raw power" than Luke's ever felt, and yet we're told in the first three films that Anakin's Force-Attuned nature was stronger than the Jedi had found in 1,000 years.

Disney/Rian just want Superheroes, so they made superheroes and hit us over the head with "HEY THESE NEW KIDS ARE POWERFUL! THEY'RE THE BEST YET! YOU SHOULD LIKE THEM!" just like we watch Poe solo First Order fleets as people scream for us "That's one helluva pilot!" (in case you missed it). And what's worst yet is they're giving us these superheroes with no hero's journey, no effort, no reason for their power. They just want us to watch Avengers in the Star Wars world. Starring Poe Dameron as Iron Man! Kylo as Loki! Rey as Spiderman! Oh and look, even Yoda can shoot from-the-grave Lightning now! Yoda as Thor!

That is how it's making the old movies make no sense. Poe's already accomplished solo-feats that an entire Squadron couldn't have accomplished in the Old Trilogies, and he doesn't even have the Force. Because he's being treated like a super hero in the Star Wars world, not a better-than-your-average pilot or craftier-than-your-average pilot yet-still-mortal hero we'd expect given what we've experienced in seven other Star Wars films. ****... if Poe would have been at Yavin he'd have strafed all the Turbolaser batteries, killed the entirety of Black Squadron (in a 12 second clip), and popped that exhaust port all in about two minutes. 'cuz F*&# Red Squad, F#*$ Gold Squad, F*#$ the nature of dog-figthing and space combat as it's been established in six films. Because Poe is like, totally super mega awesome, you guys! :D

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35 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Congrats. You've identified my issue with Star Wars. The story group. It's their job to keep things together in a cohesive whole. Both old EU and new this has been poorly done. Old EU had it's own fact check failings and mishaps. You can say you like the old EU better, that's personal preference, but you cannot say those old pillars were perfectly constructed either.

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But I feel like the inconsistencies have been smaller or retconned better than in the other sci fi IP.

Then again, JJ Abrams trashed the consistency of that entire franchise first, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised that "my" Star Wars is never going to be carried into the "new" Star Wars.

Likely, RO will always be my fav SW film because I loved how Edwards honored the old while creating the new.

19 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I have roleplayed as the Game Master in the Star Wars universe 3 times. Mostly, I have used WEGs "physics" because having working "ground rules" makes gameplay fair and even handed. If X is possible, the players and NPCs alike can do it. If Y is not possible, it is unfair to disallow the players to do it then GM fiat an enemy that can. "How close in can you jump?" was a major issue. . .and they answer was "not close enough to avoid the Imperial blockade, not close enough to avoid shields, and not with an Interdictor Cruiser creating a grav well." So, "logical" pseudo-science is important to me

And if you change all the hyperspace "rules:" Why do ships fly in and out of a planet? How do you have an Imperial blockade of Hoth if the GR-75s could have just jumped to hyperspace from the planet's surface?? How was that shield on Hoth even a big deal if you can jump thru it? Surely the Imperial have some pilots that can be specially trained "shield runners." How can they blockade Naboo?? Why doesn't every hotshot pilot just jump in closest to the nearest pine tree when they want to head somewhere? Every pirate in the galaxy would do that to avoid taxes, blockades, the law, etc. etc.

All these new hyperspace tricks make a mockery of old storylines.

Jumping into hyperspace from a planet's surface is highly risky because you will most likely end up getting trapped by the planet's gravity and blow yourself up.

There are rare cases where a ship is able to make it, but most people are not willing to gamble their crew's lives and ship. Cassian and K-2SO did it in Rogue One because they were already likely to die from the debris from the blast caused by the Death Star.

Jumping through shields only works depending on the kind of shield. If the shield has a refreshing cycle like the Starkiller Base, ships can jump through. If the shield is constantly projected, a ship cannot jump inside and will be destroyed.

If anyone has questions about hyperspace, I can answer them. :D

18 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

What is absolutely dumb, though, is how the Force is entirely re-invented in these new films, ignoring six theatrical films and a pile of expanded material over 40 years.

Can you explain that more? I honestly don‘t understand.

Is it due to the „powerlevel“ alone? If yes, why is that „reinventing“?

Its interesting to watch so much guff about ship ramming.

The story has always been foremost in Star Wars, and there really has never been much point to realism, even in the space battles.

I guess that's why I tend to focus on the arguments of the characters more than bombers...which really goes back to Empire (I mean, have problems with bombs then, if you do, not now). And again, why I'm pretty smitten with the whole Luke story, and how Finn and Rey...and even Kylo Ren, have turned out so far.

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1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

Can you explain that more? I honestly don‘t understand.

Is it due to the „powerlevel“ alone? If yes, why is that „reinventing“?

I mean, I don't say this with any tone of rudeness, but "read the rest of the post you just quoted?" I mean, that's where I explain why I think that...?

Just now, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I mean, I don't say this with any tone of rudeness, but "read the rest of the post you just quoted?" I mean, that's where I explain why I think that...?

Sure, but there it all points to the powerlevel. Which is what I mentioned, too.

Oh, and speaking of which, I'll be probably in the minority here, but I never thought Palpatine was a good character in Return of the Jedi, to me the weakest of the original films, and still ranking far below anything put out under Disney.

Emperor Palpatine, through no fault of his actor, was more uninspired to me after we, of course, have met Vader, probably one of the greates villains of all time. The meme above points to that, in that he can shoot lightning, but can't stop Vader from throwing him over the edge to his death. Now there's a story point there, not to be missed...both Palpatine and Snope, for all their ability, cannot see their ends coming or really stop them. There's a bit of technology issue here, too, to admit....I mean it takes Vader time to pick up the Emperor and throw him. And Vader does get baked in the process to his death. Snope is actually more understandable...so focused on Rey that he can't even imagine the weapon that will kill him is right next to him...

Still, though, Palpatine is more four color than scary and that goes way back to RotJ. Again, I love all of Star Wars, but I remember seeing that in the theatre and it was my first, 'I don't love this completely' Star Wars film.

Part of which is why my bar was low for The Phantom Menace. And when that fell through the floor, below my lowest expectation....it wasn't great, yknow?

12 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Yeah, yeah, OK, maybe some personal backstory would help about my nits. . .

I have roleplayed as the Game Master in the Star Wars universe 3 times. Mostly, I have used WEGs "physics" because having working "ground rules" makes gameplay fair and even handed. If X is possible, the players and NPCs alike can do it. If Y is not possible, it is unfair to disallow the players to do it then GM fiat an enemy that can. "How close in can you jump?" was a major issue. . .and they answer was "not close enough to avoid the Imperial blockade, not close enough to avoid shields, and not with an Interdictor Cruiser creating a grav well." So, "logical" pseudo-science is important to me

In the Legends universe, FTL radio and communications in hyperspace was not possible. This is how the Empire was able to carve up the galaxy and keep planets in the dark and in fear. Control of the holonet was a big deal, and radio comms from a small ship couldn't get far enough to be meaningful. People had to travel to communicate.

And if you change all the hyperspace "rules:" Why do ships fly in and out of a planet? How do you have an Imperial blockade of Hoth if the GR-75s could have just jumped to hyperspace from the planet's surface?? How was that shield on Hoth even a big deal if you can jump thru it? Surely the Imperial have some pilots that can be specially trained "shield runners." How can they blockade Naboo?? Why doesn't every hotshot pilot just jump in closest to the nearest pine tree when they want to head somewhere? Every pirate in the galaxy would do that to avoid taxes, blockades, the law, etc. etc.

All these new hyperspace tricks make a mockery of old storylines.

It used to be that I was irritated that Vader never recognizes the R2 unit he spent the entire Clone Wars with and the 3PO unit he personally built. I had to hand wave it because the OT was made first. But now, the new movies are making the old movies make no sense, for a storyline-one-trick-wonder.

The one is making a mockery in this case is your unwillingness to let go of legends. :)
(And I prefer legends and WEG hyperspace as well)

First jumping below the shield was a major feat of Han Solo, the guy who made the Kessel Run in under 13 Parsec. A feat of his knowledge of hyperspace travel and of his ship, the fastest ship in the galaxy. And everyone called him crazy for doing it. So that does not become a common practise, especially not considering that others have tried similar things and killed a whole planet that way when messing up and spreading hypermatter over the whole planet, atmosphere and low orbit, killing everyone and everything in the process.

I liked the limited access to the holonet as well, but George already removed most of those restrictions in the prequels, and Filoni in Rebels and in Rogue One and in TFA. Furthermore hyperspace communication in general was a thing even in Empire. We just did not know how common or easy this is in general.

If we change some of hyperspace rules than still concerns about safety remain, Rogue one mad a big deal about the jump in an atmosphere iirc, there was no need for that in Hoth, because all the freighters got away, based on their ion cannon support fire and an escort of just two X-Wings. The blockade of Naboo was mainly a blockage of ships coming in ... still just ignoring safety protocols and jumping straight out might have been a good trick. Though good astrogators on board of the ship ... at least none with authority to make that decision. (I am sure R2 could have done it ;-))

So after this, I have the feeling that you don't like that your assumptions from the last 40 years are now declared wrong. That you don't like legends becoming a different continuity, because in all honesty, Vader not recognizing R2 seems still like the biggest offender, if they would ever have been in the same room during the OT. They never met during the whole OT (outside of Vader shooting R2 in the head). So you seem to have been offended about this thing for almost 20 years without base as well. The nitpicking in this one seems not as strong as I first thought. :P

24 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

But fine, maybe two more come along. That could happen, I guess, point granted. BUT what still makes no sense is that they (namely Rey) have mastered a variety of Force techniques like mind-tricks and telekinesis with basically no training whatsoever. Random stable-kids are using the Force to pull brooms into their hands. WTF?! Even Anakin had to use a little magnet-tool to grab a wire of his podracer that was a few inches away. Why wasn't Luke going around using the Force to flip on vaporators? Because that's not how one got into communion with the Force, it's at least always required a bit of focused training and a particular kind of awareness and discipline to understand the intricacies of the Force. Now you've got little stable boys whipping brooms into their hands without a moment of effort (remember how much Luke had to concentrate to pull the lightsaber into his hand in the Wampa cave? And he'd already heard all about the Force and had some guidance from Obi-Wan). You've got Rey rivaling Luke's abilities, having only really thought about the Force for about two days and with zero training.

On this, maybe, just maybe, the stable boy did not even realize he did this. The Force training in ESB was mainly for Luke to realize that it is possible to do things. In your examples, they were not using the Force because they were not aware they could.

As Luke states in TLJ, there is no need for intense Jedi training to be a Force user.

3 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

Snope is actually more understandable...so focused on Rey that he can't even imagine the weapon that will kill him is right next to him...

What is really confusing is why on the bridge of the Invisible Hand or ya know, any of the other some 100 odd times they met during The Clone Wars series, Obi-Wan didn't just handwave and turn on all the lightsabers in General Grievous's cloak causing him to slice himself apart. :P

Obi-Wan needed to fight dirtier.

26 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

No, it's making the books that accompanied the old EU make no sense. The movies aren't caused much grief here. I'm a multi-GM with old WEG as well, and I agree that it created a lot of the details that helped bind everything together... But if you remove it, nothing says communications can't work in hyperspace. Nothing says you can't override some safety device if you're suicidal enough to jump into a planet.

I disagree:

31 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And if you change all the hyperspace "rules:" Why do ships fly in and out of a planet? How do you have an Imperial blockade of Hoth if the GR-75s could have just jumped to hyperspace from the planet's surface?? How was that shield on Hoth even a big deal if you can jump thru it? Surely the Imperial have some pilots that can be specially trained "shield runners." How can they blockade Naboo?? Why doesn't every hotshot pilot just jump in closest to the nearest pine tree when they want to head somewhere? Every pirate in the galaxy would do that to avoid taxes, blockades, the law, etc. etc.

All these new hyperspace tricks make a mockery of old storylines.

11 minutes ago, AwesomeJedi said:

Jumping into hyperspace from a planet's surface is highly risky because you will most likely end up getting trapped by the planet's gravity and blow yourself up.

There are rare cases where a ship is able to make it, but most people are not willing to gamble their crew's lives and ship. Cassian and K-2SO did it in Rogue One because they were already likely to die from the debris from the blast caused by the Death Star.

Jumping through shields only works depending on the kind of shield. If the shield has a refreshing cycle like the Starkiller Base, ships can jump through. If the shield is constantly projected, a ship cannot jump inside and will be destroyed.

No that doesn't float at all.

EVERY pirate and outlaw will be willing to risk it for the right price and to stay out of jail.

EVERY military unit will have a special ops shield buster squad that "accepts the risks involved."

You are retconning how the entire universe works, and the military machine of the Empire becomes a stupidly unnecessary decoration, et. al.

And the first Death Star's "ray shields" let proton torpedoes thru. So a "refresh rate" seems to be a common feature of shields.

Just now, kris40k said:

What is really confusing is why on the bridge of the Invisible Hand or ya know, any of the other some 100 odd times they met during The Clone Wars series, Obi-Wan didn't just handwave and turn on all the lightsabers in General Grievous's cloak causing him to slice himself apart. :P

Obi-Wan needed to fight dirtier.

Yes, this is another reason why there are more inconsistencies in those prequels than in any of the other films. If you are young Obi Wan Kenobi, good but flawed in judgement, powerful in your own right no less, there are other things you might be doing. It could be argued that young Obi Wan is too straight forward, too 'noble' to a fault, but I think we're filling in the blanks on that more than the films show us that.

32 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

What is absolutely dumb, though, is how the Force is entirely re-invented in these new films, ignoring six theatrical films and a pile of expanded material over 40 years. Anakin was supposed to be "the most powerful" force-user the Jedi Order had encountered in over 1,000 years.

bull. He had the highest midichlorian count. And that's it. But those never ever were power to begin with and Anakin continuous to be weaker that most of the council members of the order till the end. He was never as strong in the Force as Master Yoda or as good with the lightsaber as Master Windu, or as cunning as Master Obi-Wan.

He only was (allegedly) the chosen one to bring balance to the force. With an outstanding midichlorian count, which was an indicator for force sensitivity and that's it. Everything else is an assumption made and apparently proven wrong. And his high count of midichlorians seems rather natural, considering that the midichlorians were the biological factor responsible for his conception. ;-)

31 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

What is absolutely dumb, though, is how the Force is entirely re-invented in these new films, ignoring six theatrical films and a pile of expanded material over 40 years. Anakin was supposed to be "the most powerful" force-user the Jedi Order had encountered in over 1,000 years. And then WHAM-BAM, all of the sudden we've got two new users with "more raw power" than ever experienced, and they come along just a mere two generations later? That's just lazy-*** storytelling that is trying to hit us over the heat with "HEY THESE NEW CHARACTERS ARE SUPER!" We have to watch Poe go god mode and solo First Order squadrons and Dreadnoughts while we hear someone scream in our ear "that's a **** of a pilot" because he's the most-bestest-greatest. We have to see giant-mega-ultra-super class warships and walkers because they're the most-bestest-greatest. The whole new trilogy is just Tim Allen grunting and going "MOAR POWER URGH URGH URGH!" This is the same with Kylo and Rey, who are the "most raw power" users Luke has ever felt, and he's been around Yoda, Vader, and Palpatine. That just doesn't jive with the established world of Anakin being an exceptional once-in-a-thousand-years kind of force-user...

But fine, maybe two more come along. That could happen, I guess, point granted. BUT what still makes no sense is that they (namely Rey) have mastered a variety of Force techniques like mind-tricks and telekinesis with basically no training whatsoever. Random stable-kids are using the Force to pull brooms into their hands. WTF?! Even Anakin had to use a little magnet-tool to grab a wire of his podracer that was a few inches away. Why wasn't Luke going around using the Force to flip on vaporators? Because that's not how one got into communion with the Force, it's at least always required a bit of focused training and a particular kind of awareness and discipline to understand the intricacies of the Force. Now you've got little stable boys whipping brooms into their hands without a moment of effort (remember how much Luke had to concentrate to pull the lightsaber into his hand in the Wampa cave? And he'd already heard all about the Force and had some guidance from Obi-Wan). You've got Rey rivaling Luke's abilities, having only really thought about the Force for about two days and with zero training.

Lets not forget that Anakin spent 10 years training to be a jedi between TPM and ATOC, and that Luke had I think two years between ANH and ESB to try his hand at training and then had weeks if not months training with Yoda since I imagine it took a while for the Falcon to get to Bespin by sublight. The contrast that with the fact that TFA took place between what a few days to a week with Rey never having any experience using the force before and just learning of it mostly during that film and then TLJ takes place at the earliest a few hours and at the latest a week from TFA and spans at max 2 days, meaning that somehow in the span of 4 or so days to 2 weeks Rey somehow is stronger at the force than anyone with no training at all really. Sure the film offers the whole the force makes her stronger to match Kylo but that sounds like some hax BS to try and handwave it away, which would beg to question why it didn't do the same for Luke against Vader and Palpatine.

1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said:

And his high count of midichlorians seems rather natural, considering that the midichlorians were the biological factor responsible for his conception. ;-)

I do not thank you for remembering me how cringy the prequels were...

13 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

The one is making a mockery in this case is your unwillingness to let go of legends. :)
(And I prefer legends and WEG hyperspace as well)

So after this, I have the feeling that you don't like that your assumptions from the last 40 years are now declared wrong. That you don't like legends becoming a different continuity, because in all honesty, Vader not recognizing R2 seems still like the biggest offender, if they would ever have been in the same room during the OT. They never met during the whole OT (outside of Vader shooting R2 in the head). So you seem to have been offended about this thing for almost 20 years without base as well. The nitpicking in this one seems not as strong as I first thought. :P

Are they my personal assumptions, or are they the pseudo-science-knowledge-base of 40 years of considered world-building?

Are they deconstructed with purpose, or is Star Wars going to become a devil-may-care magical ****-show?

And I am willing to let go of the Yuuzhan Vong any day of the week. :blink:

7 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

I disagree:

No that doesn't float at all.

EVERY pirate and outlaw will be willing to risk it for the right price and to stay out of jail.

EVERY military unit will have a special ops shield buster squad that "accepts the risks involved."

You are retconning how the entire universe works, and the military machine of the Empire becomes a stupidly unnecessary decoration, et. al.

And the first Death Star's "ray shields" let proton torpedoes thru. So a "refresh rate" seems to be a common feature of shields.

• Wookieepedia: Deflector shields, or simply shields, were energy fields that could protect starships, battle stations, ground-based structures, and even armies from enemy assault. Two varieties of deflector shields existed, with ray shields deflecting or scattering energy beams although sometimes they were not powerful enough to fully negate enemy fire leading to energy getting through, and particle shields diffusing impacts from high-velocity projectiles and proton weapons. A third type of shield, a concussion shield, repelled space debris and other solid objects. Most starships utilized a combination of ray and particle shielding for maximum protection, while larger ships could require multiple projectors to fully protect the ship, with a shield's intensity gradually diminishing with distance from its projector. Some shields were one-way shields that only allowed a person to come in through the shield, but prevented passage back out through the shield. Droidekas had a built-in shield that deflected normal blaster fire but could not stop solid objects such as a thermal detonators or people passing through. It was also vulnerable to large explosions such as those caused by a tank or a fortress cannon due to projectile and shock-wave damage.

There are 3 types of shielding. Sometimes they are used together for maximum protection. My hypothesis still stands.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

Are they my personal assumptions, or are they the pseudo-science-knowledge-base of 40 years of considered world-building?

Are they deconstructed with purpose, or is Star Wars going to become a devil-may-care magical ****-show?

And I am willing to let go of the Yuuzhan Vong any day of the week. :blink:

  1. A little bit of both.
  2. A little bit of both.
  3. Who doesn't? :D Which makes my point standing even more, because the Vong brought change and death. Now the execution was horrible on top, which is the reason everyone seems on board with getting rid of them, but not everyone for the same reasons. :P
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11 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And I am willing to let go of the Yuuzhan Vong any day of the week. :blink:

I'm not. The Vong were the best thing to happen to the EU for a long time. One of the few times SW decided to develop a unique villain instead of recycling the usual Sith Lord or Imperial warlord. The NJO series was amazing too. Traitor is my favorite SW book ever.

But I also liked TLJ so maybe you can't trust my opinion. :P