4 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Nice try....

I didn‘t even spot it myself, a friend sent it to me. I stay clear from star wars subreddits for the moment, and I repeatedly regretted discussing it here.

Also I‘m not creative enough for this

As for how the movie affects X-Wing, I'm curious if there will be some kind of SLAM mod for X-Wings.

And I'm glad they didn't add any more TIE variants. No more lame First Order releases to get in the way of my Hunter and Oppressor.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

Perfect. Kudos to the guy.

All these debates remind me of the debate for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Everybody was freaking out on the fridge scene but no one ever complained that Indy survived jumping out of a plane using an inflatable boat in Temple of Doom.

25 minutes ago, Cartchan said:

Perfect. Kudos to the guy.

All these debates remind me of the debate for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Everybody was freaking out on the fridge scene but no one ever complained that Indy survived jumping out of a plane using an inflatable boat in Temple of Doom.

The fridge was far from being the only problem of Indiana 4. But that's a good analogy - because of how weak the overall movie was people started noticing details that they'd let pass in a better movie.

35 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Just because they wrote in an explanation, doesn't make it any less stupid.

The idea that a Republic that is in an ongoing cold war with the remnants of the Empire while a 2nd Empire is building itself up from scratch wouldn't maintain a sizable fleet is just as stupid as the idea of them losing their entire fleet in a single star system.

But there wasn't a cold war. Officially there was no problem, the imperial remnants had fled and were gone. The New Republic was born and politicians did what politicians did, look after their own needs and the needs of their sponsors (which actually included those that wanted the First Order to be successful).

Bloodline was all about trying to get the New Republic to actually believe there was an external threat, without success. Hence Leia had formed the Resistance.

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

Pretty much how modern star wars fans are about star wars.

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

Bad effort tbh.

They're just applying the same criticisms to seemingly random scenes from the OT without considering the context.

http://www.nme.com/blogs/the-movies-blog/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-reactions-2177429

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/18/readers-review-star-wars-the-last-jedi

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-fan-theories-led-last-jedi-disappointment-1068718

I like the way that lots of news outlets are pouncing on the "well the fan theories never panned out, that's why they don't like it" line. Totally misreading the situation.

1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:

As for how the movie affects X-Wing, I'm curious if there will be some kind of SLAM mod for X-Wings.

And I'm glad they didn't add any more TIE variants. No more lame First Order releases to get in the way of my Hunter and Oppressor.

Where are those ships from?

5 minutes ago, Captain Nippon said:

Bad effort tbh.

They're just applying the same criticisms to seemingly random scenes from the OT without considering the context.

Also satire

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/17/16785066/star-wars-the-last-jedi-porgs

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

Also satire

I did have a chuckle reading that. On the surface, the post may seem like an end-all argument for all the OT fans to just shut up. But I need to express why I think that ultimately, such a satiric post may hurt the overall discussion about TLJ and the OT, because it disregards one thing: context.

Eventually, context does matter a lot. Yes, lots of the jokes in ANH, ESB and ROTJ were corny and - I'm pretty sure - may have rubbed some folks the wrong way. But overall, the execution was just way better, because in the OT, they explicitly used the jokes to lighten the tension. The jokes didn't feel tacked on, but could be stuff that actual people say or do. The tension in TLJ is not lightened, but broken by the jokes. There's a big but very subtle difference. Don't get me wrong, I completely see how somebody who sees an OT film for the first time could actually dislike many of those jokes. And I'm also completely aware that I might roll my eyes at some of them if my point of view wasn't clouded by nostalgia.

Regarding the backstory issue, I have to wholeheartedly disagree, though. The Status Quo at the beginning of Star Wars was: Empire and Rebels are the two factions that exist. Nothing else. As the story unfolds, we quickly learn who are the bad guys and who aren't. How it had come to this was completely left to the viewers' imagination. With the sequels, the Status Quo is the same: good guys, bad guys. But we have a whole lot of known events that led to this. So it is completely natural to ask questions like: Where was Snoke when the Emperor reigned? How could the FO build up such a vast Force so quickly? And so on. These are all questions that the OT films didn't have to answer, because the whole story of Star Wars started right at this point, so no questions needed to be asked. George Lucas had the clear advantage to paint on an empty canvas. The directors of the new movies have to paint a new picture over that beautiful, revered oil painting using only watercolors. It's the hardest job in the wolrd, I can only imagine.

8 hours ago, Thormind said:

In the end we are left with Kylo and Rey and no potential main protagonist/hero. They both feel like support characters.

LOL.

7 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

The time gap: Rose and Finn land on Canto Bight with 18 hours to go, get locked up, and begin their escape with 5 hours to go. So normally you would think the resistance would have run out of fuel two hours ago but the ship they stole was a Sienar weapons dealers ship so it would be more than likely to have a faster hyperdrive than the escape pod. Of course we’re not told this. So they stick to the rules, they just didn’t tell anyone.

Actually they do tell that this ship is fast. The actual problem is the small scale universe or better the location of Canto at the literal other end of the galaxy. I would assume that we see soon a retcon for the location, placing it closer to the action making the 18 hours trip better. Still that is an issue with the world building, not with the story. If the fleet would have had instead fuel for a week and the trip back and there again would have taken all of that except 13 hours .... you get the idea. It's unfortunate that they messed up there, but pretty easy to ignore and completely irrelevant for the story.

5 hours ago, Forresto said:

Luke was handled perfectly and while I wish he would've lasted longer then one film, his departure was fairly beautiful.

His adventures are for the books, maybe Kevin J. Anderson can write a new Jedi Academy series for the new canon?

Sadist.

12 minutes ago, debiler said:

The directors of the new movies have to paint a new picture over that beautiful, revered oil painting using only watercolors. It's the hardest job in the wolrd, I can only imagine.

Probably why Rian Johnston chose to use a blowtorch instead...

5 hours ago, KelRiever said:

Again, I love that scene, actually.

And I also thing Luke was written out perfectly.

So I'll just go and probably disagree with most people on this thread

I agree with you on both points!

14 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Probably why Rian Johnston chose to use a blowtorch instead...

Let me see if I can find a more fitting analogy. I think one could say that he used the picture of TFA (which was painted over the original picture), cut it up and rearranged it quite a bit. He then painted over it. Also, he didn't use a rectangular canvas, but a rather unconventional shape, like a heptagon. And the glue he used to pin the old pieces to his canvas isn't very durable, so everything starts peeling off. In the end, it's still a beautiful picture, but it's also a mess. Oh yes, and somebody just came by and graffiti-sprayed a cartoon horse right in the middle of it.

5 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I agree with you on both points!

I agree with the Luke part. Once you accept that he's not gonna be there to slug it out with Ren, it's the perfect sendoff. And quite beautifully shot, to boot.

11 minutes ago, debiler said:

Let me see if I can find a more fitting analogy. I think one could say that he used the picture of TFA (which was painted over the original picture), cut it up and rearranged it quite a bit. He then painted over it. Also, he didn't use a rectangular canvas, but a rather unconventional shape, like a heptagon. And the glue he used to pin the old pieces to his canvas isn't very durable, so everything starts peeling off. In the end, it's still a beautiful picture, but it's also a mess. Oh yes, and somebody just came by and graffiti-sprayed a cartoon horse right in the middle of it.

Rian Johnston during pre-filming research phase:

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

Rian Johnston during pre-filming research phase:

Any post that uses a gif of Hank Scorpio gets my unconditional approval. Well done, sir.

3 hours ago, debiler said:

Any post that uses a gif of Hank Scorpio gets my unconditional approval. Well done, sir.

I only used it because I couldn't find a gif of Principal Skinner encouraging the children to burn their books.

I can't stop to think about this movie.

Here is another thought:

The force awakens comes out and pretty much ignore the chunk of 30 years after rotj, but we get some tidbits. Luke tried to start an academy then whent in exile, Leia and Han have a son who turned evil, some sort of republic was established and the first order grew in the shadows led by snoke and Leia started a resistance without any support from the republic.

The rest is clouded in mystery waiting for reveals in TLJ and the next movie.The tone of the movie is a little wink wink fan service, but overall captures the adventure fantasy of a new hope. IMO. They ignore a whole lot to make sure the game is back to square one with resistance vs first order.

Then the last jedi comes along and does a complete turn shift. We don't get any reveals to who snoke is or how he started the first order. We get no information about how he turned Kylo or the knights of ren. We get no reveal to Rey's parents, they are either nobodies or kylo is lying. Luke is just and old grumpy guy that wants to die and does so. We start the movie with resistance on the brink and ends with the resistance on the brink. Instead of fun adventures we get this long stalemate with weird space rules. In the mean time our main characters Finn and Rey are doing, well pretty much pointless side stories.

In the end we got a 2.5 hour long movie that reversed pretty much everything JJ set up in the force awakens and now everything has to be explained and tied togheter in this last movie that we have no idea what kind of tone it is. I think this is the real problem. TFA wanted back to the original trilogy and TLJ wanted away from the orginals.

In the end we get a mess of 2 VERY different ideas against eachother that are going to result in a mess in the last movie unless JJ does a miracle.

19 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

In the end we get a mess of 2 VERY different ideas against eachother that are going to result in a mess in the last movie unless JJ does a miracle.

What if TFA is the weak link, not TLJ?

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

What if TFA is the weak link, not TLJ?

Could be, but TFA came first. You can't just change everything about the last movie without it being very jarring, right?

2 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Could be, but TFA came first. You can't just change everything about the last movie without it being very jarring, right?

Rian said that this trilogy lacks an arc, and that‘s why he wanted a whole trilogy after 9, where he can have an overarching story

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

Rian said that this trilogy lacks an arc, and that‘s why he wanted a whole trilogy after 9, where he can have an overarching story

Looks to me that we have 2 different visions that get's control in every other movive. Would rather see JJ's trilogy and then Rians. Not having them share it