Well, good thing we even got a great example of Luke being able to return in IX.

And you know, Obi-wan was so wasted in just one movie...

And I don't know how you can't call this a rather triumphant last hurrah for Leia.

That is one thing I really did like about this movie. There were some really great, mythical depictions of the Force in this movie. Greater than even what we saw in the PT.

No, I am not watching it again in theatres. I don't want to give Disney the idea I liked the movie.

I don't understand those that hated it talking about how they had seen it multiple times either.

I'm finally seeing it a second time tomorrow. I'm eager to see it, so see if it helps me settle on it emotionally.

15 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

Well, good thing we even got a great example of Luke being able to return in IX.

And you know, Obi-wan was so wasted in just one movie...

And I don't know how you can't call this a rather triumphant last hurrah for Leia.

That is one thing I really did like about this movie. There were some really great, mythical depictions of the Force in this movie. Greater than even what we saw in the PT.

Fair enough about Luke, but Leia basically got some EVA time, a coma, and a fighting withdrawal.

I hate it when the Force turns into ostentacious magic. If I wanted laser swords and sorcery, I would go elsewhere. Moreover, if the Force keeps getting more and more mythic as time goes on, when/how do you get to the point of ever believing the Sith wouldn't have just enslaved every mundane in the galaxy long, long ago.

Wait what?! Laser swords and magic IS Star Wars.

Ahh, a midochlorian fan, I see. (joking, joking, joking)

I love the more magical the Force gets. I love the science fantasy possibilities of Star Wars. I love the new version of the Nightsisters. Some of the old depictions of the Force and Jedi in the old Tales of the Jedi comics. Let the Force be so much more than simple telekinesis.

4 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Wait what?! Laser swords and magic IS Star Wars.

It's a fine line. Yoda should not rap his gimer stick on the Senate floor and say "YOU SHALL NOT PASS (THIS AMENDMENT)!"

The magic of the Force is internal, not external (for the most part).

And yeah, @Sithborg, I hate the Nightsisters garbage. Bubble bubble toil and trouble my sci fi ***.

I also love the expansion on the connection of the Kyber crystal, the lightsaber, and the connection to the Force user.

Artificial crystals is one thing to explain the red blades, but it lacks impact to the description of "making the crystal bleed".

Much better on second viewing. Once you come to terms with some of its faults (much like watching the prequels) and just enjoy it it’s a really good Star Wars film.

So I finally got to see the movie.

It was really good, except for one 10 second scene.

Leia supermanning herself to the airlock after her ship gets demolished.

What the actual ****.

I almost walked out of the theatre. The Force in general is kinda lame in my opinion, buy oh my goodness, that one scene just...

There are no words.

Again, I love that scene, actually.

And I also thing Luke was written out perfectly.

So I'll just go and probably disagree with most people on this thread

I almost jumped up and cheered.

Luke was handled perfectly and while I wish he would've lasted longer then one film, his departure was fairly beautiful.

His adventures are for the books, maybe Kevin J. Anderson can write a new Jedi Academy series for the new canon?

7 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

Again, I love that scene, actually.

And I also thing Luke was written out perfectly.

So I'll just go and probably disagree with most people on this thread

Not with me.

Leia FINALLY using the Force like a Skywalker just blew my mind. Even if it was just an instinctual reaction, the show of potential finally justified what was said about her in RotJ.

1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:

Whereas Rian Johnson has no concept of the scale of galactic armed forces. The idea that the New Republic, a galactic superpower, somehow lost it's entire fleet with the loss of a single star system is ******* ridiculous.

Have you read through the Aftermath and Bloodline books at all?
I'm just wondering where you got the idea that the New Republic had a massive fleet in the first place?

I agree that it should have been expanded on in TFA (probably on the cutting room floor, lest people get memories of the trade dispute), but the New Republic deliberately avoided a large fleet, leaving much of the fleets in the hands of individual systems, many of which are either isolationist or at least leaning to the comfortable memory of how 'good' things were under the Empire (we are talking a generation since the Empire had fallen after all). Doesn't take much to delete the limited New Republic forces and roll in with the forces you've created against the treaties.

Think of the New Republic more like the League of Nations. Created with the best intentions, but unable to actually stop things from worsening, often due to people within the system actively sabotaging the process.

5 hours ago, Odanan said:

The problem is not age. I'm 42, for instance. And I like classic movies that would make the (hyperactive) children of today sleep in 5 minutes.

Some people, I don't know exactly why, weren't able to "connect" with this movie. Somehow the movie struck a nerve (or several nerves) and that snowballed until there was only bitterness left in the end. I feel sorry for them, because they will not find pleasure in future Star Wars titles, unless they tell very restrained stories (like Rogue One, Han Solo and Obi-Wan).

The problem isn't the age indeed, the problem is with the expectations of people.

We have the original trilogy, which isn't flawless but an excellent adventure on its own right. Then we have that sweetened by 40 years of nostalgia and childhood memories. Then we have an insane hype train for each new movie.

These all combined raises people's expectations to such a level that it simply can't be met. I'm willing to bet that if the mouse would decide to show the Original Trilogy in theatres again, people would complain about those as well. I can't really blame folks for getting way too emotional and way too demanding, it's Star Wars afterall. But I can't help but feel that the majority of Star Wars fans simply can't be satisfied anymore.

20 minutes ago, Captain Pellaeon said:

Not with me.

Leia FINALLY using the Force like a Skywalker just blew my mind. Even if it was just an instinctual reaction, the show of potential finally justified what was said about her in RotJ.

Indeed. And as I pointed out earlier, it is not only probable, but even likely, that someone could survive that long in hard vacuum. 3.5 minutes is about the limit before permanent brain damage occurs. Leia was out there for 60 seconds tops. Plus you have the magic of Bacta and other future medicine. Plus you know, space magic!

It was a good scene. Albeit one they could have easily just used as her actual death, though that would have wasted all of the scenes they shot with her, as well as what they did for the next movie too. I'd rather them use as much as they could before they are forced to kill her in an "offscreen" fashion.

29 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:

Albeit one they could have easily just used as her actual death

See, this is going to be a huge problem, because there are no good solutions to how to write her out of the story in a respectful way. If she gets CGI'd, it raises uncomfortable questions about is it ethical (again), and so on. Fans will be enraged.

If she gets killed in the yellow text at the beginning of Ep IX, fans will be enraged.

If she would've been killed in that scene in TLJ, fans would've been enraged for only giving her a few minutes of screen time only, and doing away with her in a split second.

I'm glad they didn't write out the character in TLJ, she had some heartwarming scenes in the movie. Especially when she says goodbye to Luke. But I honestly don't know how can they give her character a satisfying conclusion now.

4 hours ago, Thormind said:

Just saw the movie. Im upset. I was sure all the fan criticism where undeserved. I was wrong.

Since spoilers are allowed: what i wanted most was to see Luke being badass at least once. Him not having any kind of spoken appearance in Force Awaken was one of the only drawback of that film (for me). What i wanted the least was for them to kill Luke. Not only did they kill him but he never got at least 1 real fight. Worst, he died because he meditated too hard??? What the frack!

How about Snoke. We have a glimpse at how powerful he is when he shocks Kylo. Hes just starting to get interesting and wham, he dies like a clown. Where does he come from? Why does he hates the Skywalkers? What are his motivations?

In the end we are left with Kylo and Rey and no potential main protagonist/hero. They both feel like support characters.

Contrary to Strike Back i wasnt left wanting for more. I feel like the story is closed, that no matter where it goes it wont look like a real trilogy.

The movie pacing feels wrong. There are major slowdowns when you expect some form of excitement.

Rey turns out (again) way more powerful than she should be. With almost no practice she was lifting all those rocks like she was already a master. It's just too much. Same with her lightsaber fight. Yes she got some practice with her stick. Yes she might be powerful. But fighting like she does with a weapon she barely ever handled makes no sense.

There is no gap between the 2 movies yet Rey appears changed a lot physically. It's almost as if Ridley was at the beginning of a pregnancy.

The casino part doesnt feel like it belongs to a Star Wars movie. The aesthetics contrast way too much with the rest of the film. For a short time i felt like i was back in one of the prequel movie.

Phasma: all we end up seeing of her is a small part of her face. Another promising character that turned out to be just an empty shell.

Would be soo funny if we get a new crew upgrade card. Flying Space Leia: common!!

The kid at the end looks way too much like young Anakin. It's scary.

So many more things to say. First major disappointment since Disney took the franchise.

Wow, this is pretty much all my thoughts as well. I was all hyped when Luke walked out to face Kylo, then was like "WTF, for real?" When it was just a "force Projection?" **** it, I really wanted to see a "Master" Luke wreak havoc.

Snoke was a big letdown. Built him up like a super god in TFA, then holy **** he was just tossing Rey around at will, and mind probing and getting really interesting and blamo, he is killed monologuing like a *****.

Same with Phasma. What a wimpy fight and dies from one hit. FN-2199 vs Finn was way better in TFA and he was just a trooper.

I think what TLJ really needed was adventure. The movie was just chase a cruiser. The only "adventure" aspect was the casino, which only spent 10 minutes of film time. They treated it like the Cantina in Mos Eisley instead of Jabba's Palace. I think fleshing that place out and maybe spending more time there would have helped "sell" the place instead of Rose just telling us its a bad place and we move on. Too much of this movie was spent on a spaceship, instead of on the cool planets.

I still enjoyed the movie as it was entertaining, but definitely could have been Epic.

Oh, also, wtf with the Praetorian GUard fight? It was an awesome fight, but it should have just been cleanup for Kylo and Rey. Force push their ***, force pull and slice them in mid air, toss them around, toss chairs at em. Shouldnt have been a fight, even though it was cool AF

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

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So I just got back from the Original Trilogy and hoo boy, what a big piece of ****. I can't express how disappointed I am in these films that are full of plot holes.

First of all, there is just a ridiculous amount of cringy humor all over these movies, and they undercut serious moments. I mean, Han Solo saying "boring conversation anyways" when he shoots the intercom? They're in mortal danger, they have the entire base after them! And huge moments like the first time they finally rescue the princess they've been trying to rescue the whole movie and the first words out of her mouth is "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" Not to mention in every single scene where they're supposed to be in danger, C-3PO is piping up with jokes as the stupid "comic relief."

Then Luke is supposed to be finding this great Jedi master, right, and it turns out it's a ******* puppet in a swamp who sounds like a goddamn Muppet and who just makes jokes all the time! He seems more interested in his food then teaching him the ways of the Force! These are supposed to be serious scenes in a serious film and instead they just want to joke, joke, joke. Ugh, just cringe everywhere.

Secondly, do they plan on explaining anything? I mean, OK, we've got the Rebels and the Empire. The Rebels are good because they say they're good and the Empire is bad because they say they're bad. That's great. How about explaining how the Empire came to be? Why the Rebels started fighting? None of this is ever explained over literally three movies. And the main villain, the guy who is obviously a big ******* deal, they never even tell you where he came from? He's just Emperor Palpatine and he's the Emperor because he's the Emperor. Uh, how about explaining how he became Emperor and how he became so powerful in the dark side of the Force? I mean, hello? He's the main bad guy! Seriously, they kill him and never explain who he is or where he came from. I guess now we'll never know.

I mean seriously, it feels like these could use three more films explaining all the **** that they didn't explain in these. I'd watch those, there's no way they could be bad.

Third, these films have no respect for canon. OK, so at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back, Luke is hanging upside down in a wampa cave. And he just reaches out and conveniently the lightsaber just flies into his hand? WTF? It hadn't been established that the Force can do this! Even Obi-Wan didn't do that, and Luke, who hasn't had a lick of actual training, is able to do it first try? Give me a ******* break with this bull.

Oh, speaking of Obi-Wan, they build him up in the entire first movie to be this badass, **** he even trained Luke's father supposedly. You know that he's one of the greatest Jedi (whatever a Jedi is, they don't even really explain that, LOL), and you're all ready for him to **** some **** up. And he - get this - he turns his ******* lightsaber off rather than just **** this dude up. He lets himself die. They seriously make Obi-Wan into a *****, dude. I wanted to see him be a badass.

They just throw in twists for the sake of twists. It's like, Vader is Luke's dad, even though Obi-Wan explicitly said Vader killed his dad. Also Leia is Luke's sister? So like, Darth Vader was arresting his own daugher in ANH? They don't even have the same last name! I thought when Yoda said there was another it was gonna be Han Solo, they just **** all over the fan theories.

Then, get this, they destroy the Death Star, you know, the big goddamn base, at the end of the first one, and in the second one the Empire is just conveniently back with no explanation whatsoever? Again, how the **** did they get so powerful? You destroyed their main base and they just show up again like nothing happened!

And that doesn't even get into the ridiculous plot holes throughout the movies. The Empire apparently actually leaked the plans to the second Death Star to the Rebels on purpose so that the Rebels would show up and be slaughtered. But the Rebels end up destroying the Death Star anyways. So why would you give them the actual plans? Why not give them fake plans so even if they survived the trap somehow, they couldn't blow up the Death Star. Also, if the key to the Death Star is the shields, why would you leave like just a couple guys at the base down on Endor? That's the key to the whole thing!

Jabba, just push them off the skiff into the sarlaac! Better yet, just tie them up and shoot them and then there's no chance for them to escape! Tarkin, stop delaying and just fire the Death Star! It took Alderaan out in like two seconds, why does it take a **** year to power up now? It's just awful, everyone acts illogically the whole time.

Christ. You know, I just want to go to the movies to have fun. It's never happened once in my life, but I am sure someone out there will be able to do it. But it's not these movies, that's for **** sure. Avoid these big steaming turds at all costs.

Sincerely,

Modern Star Wars Fan

29 minutes ago, wurms said:

Snoke was a big letdown. Built him up like a super god in TFA, then holy **** he was just tossing Rey around at will, and mind probing and getting really interesting and blamo, he is killed monologuing like a *****.

You know what? I think with the introduction of the Force Avatar abillity it's probable that Snoke has mastered it to such a degree that he can use other Force powers simultaniously. Like pulling Rey across the room. And beeing able to manipulate his Avatar to to show it dying to the lightsaber. Letting himself get "killed" while forcing Kylo and Rey to work together is a much more promissing way to turn Rey then simply go something something Darkside... something something somethins complete.

2 hours ago, Sithborg said:

Well, good thing we even got a great example of Luke being able to return in IX.

And you know, Obi-wan was so wasted in just one movie...

And I don't know how you can't call this a rather triumphant last hurrah for Leia.

That is one thing I really did like about this movie. There were some really great, mythical depictions of the Force in this movie. Greater than even what we saw in the PT.

I look forward to Luke's ghost interrupting Rey vs Kylo duel by ******* murdering Kylo with a lightning strike, or just beating him to death with a blunt object.

56 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

Nice try....

2 hours ago, DamianR said:

Have you read through the Aftermath and Bloodline books at all?
I'm just wondering where you got the idea that the New Republic had a massive fleet in the first place?
I agree that it should have been expanded on in TFA (probably on the cutting room floor, lest people get memories of the trade dispute), but the New Republic deliberately avoided a large fleet

Just because they wrote in an explanation, doesn't make it any less stupid.

The idea that a Republic that is in an ongoing cold war with the remnants of the Empire while a 2nd Empire is building itself up from scratch wouldn't maintain a sizable fleet is just as stupid as the idea of them losing their entire fleet in a single star system.

59 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Haha, someone on Reddit posted this. It's not unlike the reactions to the TLJ:

You sir, just won the Internet for me.