By the way, I particularly love the imagery of The First Order, and think it is a worthy continuation of the theme of the Empire from the original films. From the AT-AT's, to the new TIE fighters, new Star Destroyers, to the various new Storm Troopers and Captain Phasma, I love it all, and it's to the credit of the people designing these things that they did an excellent job.

Oh, and I thought the suicide run on Snoke's ship was nothing less than awesome! I'll be watching that scene again and again!

5 minutes ago, Otacon said:

Eh? It plowed a hole roughly its size(I think? I'm not sure what the scales involved are exactly but it didn't appear that Snoke's ship dwarfed other capital ships the way the Executor did) through the big ship. As big as Snoke's ship was it's still dwarfed by the Death Star and the mon cal was obliterated in the process of getting through that one ship.

Snoke's ship the Supremacy is 60km wide. Over 1/3rd the size of the Death Star. And that 3.5km long cruiser split it in half. The same amount of damage could have easily destroyed the superlaser array of the Death Star.

11 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Yes but...that's who Poe is. He did that all through TFA too.

"So who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?"

That was one of my favorite lines. When I saw that in the theater, I was saying to myself, "Ok, I like this guy already."

The fact that Poe would later hold under torture but break under Kylo Ren's space wizard mind-powers made me admire him as a hero that was brave enough to look at a murderous super-being in the eye-slit and crack a joke, while still being human and vulnerable. One of the reasons that Rogue One is near the top of my favorite list is because it deals with these soldiers, and not the space wizards with lazer swords.

I'm really curious why they lack more versatility in their ships though. They had no bombers, nothing alike. If BF2 is canon then there are corvettes and yet TLJ did not show them. Talk about inept command!

7 minutes ago, kris40k said:

One of the reasons that Rogue One is near the top of my favorite list is because it deals with these soldiers, and not the space wizards with lazer swords.

This.

Rogue One was an adult film for adult fans. TFA walked the same line.

Now we are back to Porg plushies, amphibious titty jokes, one-liners, and the in-movie use of the term "lazer-sord" as the primary method for entertainment.

23 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

It still kind of establishes that "Well, a single cruiser PROBABLY could have done that to any of the Death Stars". At the very least, you could have jumped into the laser array and crippled the laser, which turns the entire thing into a giant ball of useless.

That is btw an argument that has been made 30 years ago in the parlor on star wars marathon weekend with some friends. It's not like this would be a new issue. And it not really a problem with the movie, but just the world building. Who gives a **** if they screwed up the details when the general idea works out. Reduce one star of the rating and move along. It certainly is nothing that has "destroyed star wars" for anyone, just to quote some of the most krass complains.
Should the script have her ram the Supremacy normally instead? Sure. They wanted something visually more interesting and went with the dumb hyperspace maneuver. But for the plot it matters little, the movie becomes not different for this small mix-up, and if everyone just agree's to never talk about that hyperjump ever again then there is no harm done.

Alas, it has not been a first for star wars actually, we had the same problem in Rogue One, Rebels and Legends. And then there is the stupid hyperspace moves in TFA as well.

12 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

But for the plot it matters little, the movie becomes not different for this small mix-up, and if everyone just agree's to never talk about that hyperjump ever again then there is no harm done.

Okay but...that's not how good writing works...

12 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

And then there is the stupid hyperspace moves in TFA as well.

No argument from me there. I think jumping to hyperspace from inside a ship or from inside the atmosphere of a planet(Rogue One) is stupid too.

In fact, Rebels does pretty much this exact same thing by jumping to hyperspace while flying through a space station and completely destroying the space station. And that doesn't even destroy her ship.

I just think weaponized hyperspace is unnecessary power escalation. Especially when it seems to obliterate everything it touches like it's a goddamn black hole.

16 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I'm really curious why they lack more versatility in their ships though. They had no bombers, nothing alike. If BF2 is canon then there are corvettes and yet TLJ did not show them. Talk about inept command!

Sure there are/were. It got all of about 5 minutes of screen time and the most important thing it did was run out of fuel or got blown to space heck in the opening scene ( It was the second support destroyed in the chase)

12 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Okay but...that's not how good writing works...

On principle I agree ... or would like to agree because I am a world building nerd myself. But to be honest, world building is not the most important thing to make it good movie. It's the cheapest way to engage your audience, making them want to hear more about the world, instead of the story you have to tell.

But in the end, screwing those details up does not destroy the story, sure it's not good writing, often it's not bad either, it's just meh. A nitpick to find and that's about it. Until some other writer mistakes that error for something he can use as well and the whole world goes insane … and stations and ships blow up left and right because of hyperspace warfare. But even than you can't blame the original writer for the mistake.

So, yeah, I agree, it's not good writing, but it's not a big deal either. It the first thing I ranted about myself still.

9 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Okay but...that's not how good writing works...

No argument from me there. I think jumping to hyperspace from inside a ship or from inside the atmosphere of a planet(Rogue One) is stupid too.

In fact, Rebels does pretty much this exact same thing by jumping to hyperspace while flying through a space station and completely destroying the space station. And that doesn't even destroy her ship.

I just think weaponized hyperspace is unnecessary power escalation. Especially when it seems to obliterate everything it touches like it's a goddamn black hole.

I can see it now. New FFG EPT. At the end of movement you may destroy any ships in your forward arc then remove your ship from play.

1 minute ago, LagJanson said:

I can see it now. New FFG EPT. At the end of movement you may destroy any ships in your forward arc then remove your ship from play.

TIE SWARMS ARE BACK, BABY!!!!!

1 minute ago, kris40k said:

TIE SWARMS ARE BACK, BABY!!!!!

Your ship needs to have a hyperdrive and combined shield+hull value of 5 or more

21 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

This.

Rogue One was an adult film for adult fans. TFA walked the same line.

Now we are back to Porg plushies, amphibious titty jokes, one-liners, and the in-movie use of the term "lazer-sord" as the primary method for entertainment.

It was certainly largely fan service for the adult fans, I don't think that really translates into it being a more mature or adult movie than anything else in Star Wars.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

Your ship needs to have a hyperdrive.

Gameplay > Fluff!!!

Edit: Let's not go there, 'tis a silly place.

6 minutes ago, Otacon said:

It was certainly largely fan service for the adult fans, I don't think that really translates into it being a more mature or adult movie than anything else in Star Wars.

Let me tell you from an old man, and if you're old like me, you'll distinctly remember something about Star Wars, being called a kids movie, and a whole ton of people giving critics the finger for calling it that.

Because Star Wars, the original, was popular with everyone, and the only people calling it a kids film were a bunch of film critic elitists who had their asses handed to them since then about what movies 'should be' like.

14 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

I can see it now. New FFG EPT. At the end of movement you may destroy any ships in your forward arc then remove your ship from play.

Well, doesn't sound so bad to me if balanced... let's call it "HYPERDRIVE. Modification. Large ship only" Make that first you need to take the "hyperspace jump"action that the upgrade grants you which will give u a token that forces you to perform the "jump" during your attack phase... Then make it only bullseye arc and only roll as many dice as remaining hull left in the ship making the jump (no chance to defend cancel or modify the dice though), then remove it as you said. Useful? dunno. Cool factor?10/10

1 minute ago, Andreu said:

Well, doesn't sound so bad to me if balanced... let's call it "HYPERDRIVE. Modification. Large ship only" Make that first you need to take the "hyperspace jump"action that the upgrade grants you which will give u a token that forces you to perform the "jump" during your attack phase... Then make it only bullseye arc and only roll as many dice as remaining hull left in the ship making the jump (no chance to defend cancel or modify the dice though), then remove it as you said. Useful? dunno. Cool factor?10/10

TFA Han will love this. Executed right I just traded 50 points for your entire squad.

2 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

TFA Han will love this. Executed right I just traded 50 points for your entire squad.

8 dice will definitely hurt! The high PS will definitely make it the most dangerous ship using this. But I think it will be still hard to pull lined up shots that take more than 2 ships unless against swarms. Chances is that you will normally trade under your point value most of the time.

4 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

Let me tell you from an old man, and if you're old like me, you'll distinctly remember something about Star Wars, being called a kids movie, and a whole ton of people giving critics the finger for calling it that.

Because Star Wars, the original, was popular with everyone, and the only people calling it a kids film were a bunch of film critic elitists who had their asses handed to them since then about what movies 'should be' like.

46 minutes ago, KelRiever said:

By the way, I particularly love the imagery of The First Order, and think it is a worthy continuation of the theme of the Empire from the original films. From the AT-AT's, to the new TIE fighters, new Star Destroyers, to the various new Storm Troopers and Captain Phasma, I love it all, and it's to the credit of the people designing these things that they did an excellent job.

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

I believe Johnson return that favor in the most hilarious way possible, by simply ignoring the mystery boxes and raising a middle finger to that awkward TFA ending scene, {constraints of the SW universe}

So building the third movie will actually be quite easy compared to this middle piece of the trilogy.

This whole "it's a huge deconstruction of the Star Wars mythos" thing as a point of applause is in my mind one of the failures of the movie.

As KelRiever points out, both Abrams and Edwards when to great lengths to recapture the feel of the original SW material. The imagery of the New Order, the ships, tie-ins to extant material and cross-overs, etc.

Johnson comes in an sends all that to the shredder and gets kudos for originality??

Fine, call me a fan-boy who can't stand change. But it's my (and others, of course) 40 years a patronage that made this IP worth 4 billion, so I think we all deserve the fan-boy homage.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

Fine, call me a fan-boy who can't stand change. But it's my (and others, of course) 40 years a patronage that made this IP worth 4 billion, so I think we all deserve the fan-boy homage.

And its disneys work and patronage that the franchise is now worth at least twice of that in just 4 years.

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

You want Filoni man, you want Filoni, he gets Lucas AND gets at half-way decent dialog done.

Very much so, Filoni has his detractors*cough* insert wolves *cough* and *cough* heli-sabers *cough* but, he does have a feel for the galaxy and its rules. Besides with his work along Lucas he is probably the second best man to be able to have an understanding an appreciation for it, and even better he can actually direct people! There is a reason I'm more excited to see what he can do with the ST with an animated show than what we seem to be getting in the films so far.

1 hour ago, DarthEnderX said:

Snoke's ship the Supremacy is 60km wide. Over 1/3rd the size of the Death Star. And that 3.5km long cruiser split it in half. The same amount of damage could have easily destroyed the superlaser array of the Death Star.

Or considering the Rebels had the plans just have the CR90 plan its jump to the Death Star's reactor, considering how things blow up in Star Wars blowing up a giant reactor would likely cause it to still blow up, and better yet it would be able to do it and not require the daring rebel pilots to risk their lives over such a risky gambit that could only possibly be solved by a farmboy using the force.

On 12/14/2017 at 9:38 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Luke was not killed by Kylo Ren. How are people not understanding this? How are people not understanding this?

It's amazing how many Star Wars fans don't actually pay attention to Star Wars movies.

13 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

And its disneys work and patronage that the franchise is now worth at least twice of that in just 4 years.

Ah, but you only prove my point. . .4 years and 2 films that did not shred the SW saga.

19 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

This whole "it's a huge deconstruction of the Star Wars mythos" thing as a point of applause is in my mind one of the failures of the movie.

As KelRiever points out, both Abrams and Edwards when to great lengths to recapture the feel of the original SW material. The imagery of the New Order, the ships, tie-ins to extant material and cross-overs, etc.

Johnson comes in an sends all that to the shredder and gets kudos for originality??

Fine, call me a fan-boy who can't stand change. But it's my (and others, of course) 40 years a patronage that made this IP worth 4 billion, so I think we all deserve the fan-boy homage.

We do, because only fanbois argue this hard about Star Wars films

Well Normie's have lives we don't.