Oops.

I also laughed at Finn yelling, "Oh, they hate that ship!" So great!

7 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

After a 2 year wait, he throws it over his shoulder like it was a used tube of toothpaste.

You either thought that was hilarious, or you were like "WTF??!!"

This movie was completely the wrong tone to nicely fit with TFA. And that is what I need to let go of to try to enjoy this film more on the next pass.

I disagree, and here's why:

The ending was extremely difficult to continue. The whole TFA built up to that one moment where we finally get to see Luke again, with an amazing soundtrack, making it the very emotional climax of the movie. How on earth do you continue that? It is not possible to rebuild that tension, because unlike December 2015 we've now had the third movie in two years. We've had two years to think about Luke and Rey. The tension of the scene had to be broken somehow, and in a way that allows Rian to continue their story.

That's why it was necessary to be the wrong tone, because there was no right tone anyway.

5 minutes ago, Vode said:

Just some random thoughts: I think, a lot of people now realize HOW different Disney is taking Star Wars in the ST than what they were thinking. People who knew the EU and maybe hoped, that it still would be kinda like that. TFA was still kind of known terrain, even if just because it was similiar to New Hope. Now TLJ goes into completely new terrain. And maybe that bumps some of the Old Guard really off. But who knows, just a thought that crossed my mind.

Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Caedus? I thought not, it’s not a story Kathleen Kennedy would tell you. Darth Caedus, the dark lord of the sith, once walked the path of a Jedi but was consumed with visions of turmoil and fear. He turned against his former master Luke, killed his wife, and began his reign of Terror on the galaxy. He was eventually killed, by his twin sister Jaina. He was extremely hot-tempered at times.

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

The ending was extremely difficult to continue. The whole TFA built up to that one moment where we finally get to see Luke again, with an amazing soundtrack, making it the very emotional climax of the movie. How on earth do you continue that?

Watch the old Wrath of Khan followed by the Search for Spock.

Then watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Voyage Home.

You'll see what I mean.

3 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Watch the old Wrath of Khan followed by the Search for Spock.

Then watch Wrath of Khan followed by The Voyage Home.

You'll see what I mean.

Interesting. To me the tension was lost in both cases.

Don't get me wrong, you have a right to feel disappointed. It's your feelings. I just don't think the tension carries between movies. You need to build back up to that level, and to do that you need to begin the story again. This was the first paragraph in the new story, and while it could have gone differently, I can't say that this was a wrong approach. It fit with the Luke that was portrayed even if it wasn't the Luke we expected.

2 hours ago, Sithborg said:

"Open online polls are worthless. The audience score is absolutely being gamed by those who hated the movie. The Bring Back Legends already had experience with this type of attack.

Everything else points to the movie being very well received by the audience, from various more scientific polls and the way the numbers kept increasing over projections.

It's pointless throwing accusations of "gaming the score" around when it's clearly happening at both ends of the spectrum. Those that loved the movie are giving it top marks and ignoring the criticism, those who disliked it are giving it bottom marks and ignoring the praise.

Personally, I think the Forbes article got it right when they said the answer lies somewhere between the critical reception and the general reception; that would make it a solid 7/10 film, which is about right in my opinion. Good, technically very impressive but flawed enough to split the audience opinion.

This forum is not very kind to mobile users....

@jocke01 I think something went wrong there?

1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

@jocke01 I think something went wrong there?

Very

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

@jocke01 I think something went wrong there?

Last time I used this forum on my mobile...

Just now, jocke01 said:

Last time I used this forum on my mobile...

When I try to quote someone in parts then I have to be careful that it doesn't extend to the whole page. I guess that might have happened?

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

When I try to quote someone in parts then I have to be careful that it doesn't extend to the whole page. I guess that might have happened?

Nope I couldn't delete the quote and whatever I did to remove it cause more **** to appear. My idea was to post and quickly try to remove the entire post or edit it, obviously that did not work. Now I'm on my desktop

Back to the story:

One thing which does intrigue me and that I hope that they will explore in the upcoming movies / series / whatever: the weapons merchants that were selling to the Resistance and the First Order. There is the hint that while they are in the background, they might be a lot more powerful and influential than the old Jabba had been. Someone has been pitting both factions against each other and making a killing.

DJ might have been glossed over and easily set aside because he stammered... but take a moment to consider something: why, after he collaborated, did the First Order simply not kill him? Instead they paid him AND gave him a ship. The hints of a powerful third faction (possibly backing DJ) are... interesting (from a guy playing Scum, naturally).

22 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Interesting. To me the tension was lost in both cases.

Don't get me wrong, you have a right to feel disappointed. It's your feelings. I just don't think the tension carries between movies. You need to build back up to that level, and to do that you need to begin the story again. This was the first paragraph in the new story, and while it could have gone differently, I can't say that this was a wrong approach. It fit with the Luke that was portrayed even if it wasn't the Luke we expected.

Fair enough. I guess this is more what I meant:

In Khan, fans area dealt the heavy loss of a beloved character. The movie that follows deals with their grief, a commitment to find him, a further loss of the Enterprise, and finally a partial recovery by getting Spock back. All in a tone of strife and loss that bleeds over from Khan.

If the movie that followed was a campy, joke filled quest to save Spock in old-timey Earth San Francisco, with the crew muddling thru social gaffes and "Where are the nucular wessels?", then you would have my jarring experience of going from to TLJ from TFA.

Lastly, I like all 5 films for what they are. But I hate that TLJ comes after TFA.

I don't really get all the negative thing about this movie.

I mean it did totally do a 180 on almost everything that was setup in TFA, talk about fresh and original.

Why should the space physics stay the same in this movie like it has in every other star wars movie?, that's star wars in a new way, why would you hate that?

Who dosen't like when they repeat the same thing as in empire with walkers and speeders and snow salt. Talk about staying true to the universe

Whats wrong with the new and memorable character of (I can't remember his name for real) slicer guy that probably will sell alot of action toys. I mean that casino place was totally fresh and original (with a remix theme from the orginal cantina scene).

Of course they should kill Luke by a new completly ridicolus force power scene. It's not that Luke Skywalker was a big deal in the last trilogy or in the force awakens, I mean who even remembers him?

Who didn't like the fact that the new female pilot Jess Pava was nowhere in the film and the new Female A-wing pilot died. Talk about diversity. I loved that we got to se snap wexley and Jess, Now we have som new characters to root for.

Why should Ackbar not die, it's more fun if he is gone.

I mean why not repeat the same mistake with Boba Fett with Phasma, I love that my female friends can relate to that character. It's not like she is everywhere in the marketing. If she was I would probably be mad that her character was pointless.

Why should we know what Snoke deal is, I mean we reused the throne room scene for the THIRD TIME in this movie saga, then we made something unexpected. Talk about eating your cake and keeping it, totally orignal and fresh. I for one applauded.

Of course the first order only have 3 fighters to send after the raddus. The empire lost in ROTJ remember?, they don't have limitless numbers of fighters, I mean come on!!




Yes I am a childish hate, but for real WHY would a fan of the original trilogy and TFA like this movie?? It tries to be both new and fresh while repeating the same **** we seen in the current movies like guradians of the galaxy humorius characters and wink wink humor. Is it possible for Star Wars to be bad in your eyes??

@jocke01 I think something went wrong there?

Seriously though, most of these complaints have an answer that could be statisfying enough. I'm not sure whether you are interested though?

To paraphrase a friend: It was a good movie, but not a very good story.

There were holes and assumptions/leaps had to be made in more than a couple places - it kinda seemed like a 3 to 3.5 hour movie that was trimmed to 2.5. But as visual entertainment I was pretty happy.

10 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

@jocke01 I think something went wrong there?

Seriously though, most of these complaints have an answer that could be statisfying enough. I'm not sure whether you are interested though?

I'm interested, shoot

What he said...

I think one of the big things with Rian Johnson's take on the universe with The Last Jedi was that he wasn't given much direction for his direction. In an interview, he even mentioned that he was amazed with how much leeway he was given with the new episode. He was given Episode VII as a starting point, and his work with the story group was just to ensure continuity, not to limit him in his plot points or where he was going to go with the story as there was no "end goal" written for Episode IX yet.

So, he ended up throwing it all out the window.

I can understand this idea for Kylo Ren's development into someone who stands on his own two feet, but it seemed a little too on the nose when he had Luke toss the saber off the cliff and later breaks it in half, the destruction of the Resistance fleet, the destruction of the Jedi temple, etc., etc. So much of the movie was attempting to destroy what had been built up on over the course of the previous seven movies.

I think Rian really should have waited for his new trilogy before attempting to destroy everything that had been built up to that point. He had a clean slate with that new space with nothing of the Skywalker Saga to deal with.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-last-jedi-director-survived-pressure-by-trusting-his-fan-1030350

12 minutes ago, NeverBetTheFett said:

What he said...

Omg that is GOLD. I mean hater movie with No real points....

22 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

I'm interested, shoot

I got to number three, but I think I'm wasting my time

6 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I got to number three, but I think I'm wasting my time

Not at all, many of us, myself included, would listen and engage your explanations. Anything to help us feel a little better about what we watched. So please continue!

54 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

, talk about fresh and original.

Exactly. Everyone moaned that TFA was just a rip-off of ANH. This movie is nothing like ESB. For example:

The movie starts off with the Rebellion Resistance running away from their secret base on Hoth D'Qar.

It moves thru Luke's experiences with the Force with his training by Yoda training of Rey.

During our non-Force-wielding heroes' flight from the Empire First Order thru the asteroid field vastness of empty space, they discover they need help from a scoundrel.

These must travel to the exotic world of Bespin Canto Bight.

Said scoundrel, Lando DJ, screws them over and hands them over to the Empire First Order.

In the end, our Force-wielding, Jedi-Order newbie, Luke Rey shows up, rejoins the Rebellion Resistance, and hope is reborn anew.

I can't wait for IX, where the Ewoks Porgs totally crush the Empire First Order.