On 12/16/2017 at 9:39 PM, Pimpbacca said:

No one noticed the colour of the milk? What sort of fans are you guys?

I mentioned it later, it's green. hence my "green vs blue" post

1 hour ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

Why don't they make good toys? There's a lego skimmer, and I'm sure plush of those horses, and don't tell me you didn't already buy your bomber on wave xii release day.

I don't own any new trilogy's (or Scum) ships. After Ep. VIII, I might make the jump.

11 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Personally, I'm just boggled by it because of how preposterous the First Order's resources are, because despite being beaten and relegated to the fringes of space, they've managed to find:

• Find legions upon legions of fanatical troops, including an entire system in place to kidnap and brainwash infants into Storm Troopers (which for some reason is a practice that doesn't make the New Republic view them as a serious threat)
• Arm and armor that entire legion, often with weird or novel weaponry
• Find a Dark Force User leader who's ability to Force Zap and Force Ragdoll makes even Palpatine's abilities look weak
• Build a Death Star III that is larger and far more powerful than the first two
• Build a fleet of Resurgence Star Destroyers (which are literally twice as big as ISDs)
• Build multiple Dreadnaughts, which are pretty equivalent to SSDs (Poe says "We have a chance to take out a Dreadnaught!" implying it's not the only one)
• Build Snoke's MEGA-GIANT-ULTRA ship, which be all stats seems to be a feat of engineering on par with building a Death Star
• Create Magic TIE-Mounted Warheads that can go right through the shields of a heavy warship
• Building SUPER-TIEs and MEGA-Walkers, like seriously it's not even that they're most heavily relying on old Galactic Empire leftover pieces of the military industrial complex... they're building newer and bigger and better everything
• All done on a scale that's capable of taking back control of the Galaxy within a few days after one Republic fleet is destroyed. Like, uh, what about all he independent ships and local defense forces and such that they'd have to contend with... it's not like the First Order has the only ships and guns in the Galaxy... In the Clone Wars the Republic forces and separatists forces were often bolstering local forces (Naboo/Gungan armies, Wookie Armies, Utapaun Armies, Geonosian Armies, etc. ...). What TLJ manages to do is to make the Galaxy feel super small again by implying that nobody else has ships or military forces.

Any of these points would be implausible for a defeated Empire, especially one that the New Republic had deemed (as per TFA's crawl) as being an insignificant enough threat to not just go snuff out. And yet we also get zero explanation or account of the origins of this miraculous BIGGER, BADDER, RICHER, STRONGER new faction, which is just as insulting to fans of the Star Wars mythos (though can be stomached by your average Blockbuster Movie viewer who can pretty easily enjoy mindless drivel with flashy explosions... but if I just wanted that I'd see some throwaway Transformers movie or Rampage or something, not an Episodic Installment in a long-loved and world-built Star Wars franchise).

Well, at no point in Ep. VII or VIII, the area of influence of the New Republic is specified. Maybe the New Republic controls only some core systems while the New Order prospers in other parts of the galaxy. Maybe there is some kind of peace between the NR and the FO before TFA with the Resistence being the only ones realizing the danger.

Also, I can't remember anything prooving that the New Order took control of the galaxy after the events in TFA.

4 minutes ago, Cartchan said:

Also, I can't remember anything prooving that the New Order took control of the galaxy...

...I think that happened on Blue Monday.

12 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

...I think that happened on Blue Monday.

How does it feel .... to be correct? :-)

I would say the mine on this movie. I'm not a SW fan (what? What are you doing here then?!), I just like the franchise but not really one of my favourite movies. It has something nostalgic, and some good messages, but the movies were not directed so well, honestly.

SW always been a pretty easy movie.

But this one...****...this one is basically stupid. In everything. The Mouse is strong here, I saw some scenes on WB cartoons here. One of them? Finn and the asian one run away throught a manhole. The guards see the manhole wich is open.....of course. I'm still waiting Thaddeus going for those 2 rebels.

So the movie begins. Rebels are on the run.... why? I mean, seems to me just a spin off, isn't it? Why they are fleeing?

The scene with Poe and "Fux" oh my god...you can feel the Mouse right here...hilarious, if you are a teenager maybe. But it's fine, all the StarWars have these comic sideshows, I can manage that.

Poe destroy the cannons. What? Wait a minute: is the First Order so dumb? I'm not a fanta-engineer and I don't care about it, but the movie needs to be PLAUSIBLE! These guys have the best technology ever, they can track someone during a jump...why the **** that big fat cruiser can't protect their guns?!? Is it possible that I must accept that a single X-Wing can shut up the fire of that cruiser in such an easy way?! And you rebels are fleeing from theme? Pff, get a koyogram and face them: the FO is embarassing.

The great secret mission of Finn and the Asian. 18 hours, delicate, must be fast. No errors, be carefull...and they got busted for....my god....PARKING IN A NO PARKING! Ahahah ah...ah...I'm laughing, did you see it Mouse?!

Leia becomes Superman, yes, why not? "Because she has the fo-" Oh PLEASE. That's a trash scene, litterally. That scene was so embarassing...Johnson, please, if you have an idea, just write it BETTER! Filmed in that way is just ridiculous. I can't belive that he actually filmed that thing...

Luke...Mark Hamill just has said enough. They killed completely the character. It's nice that a Jedi fall into the dark side in that way, we saw a lot of them (Anakin?). But not Luke. It just doesn't fit with the character. Just listen what Hamill itself says about it.

The burglar. We will never knew the right, rich one. We just know Guglielmo. And please, Guglielmo, stay behind the camera I like your movies.

The Force have Skype now. No it's not cool. Why in no one in six movies never used the force like that?! Why? Ryan you can't change the rules of an entire universe! It's like changing the power of the One Ring in Lotr, what the **** are you doing?! You make dumb all the Jedi before your movie!! If you're writing a movie of a Franchise you MUST respect the Franchise.

Snooke is dead. Yeah great...not in this way. First, we all were waiting to knew WHO is Snooke. But he is dead as a dumb, in a dumb way, and we will never know nothing about him. And that is how you get a plot-hole my friends.

But Snooke died from Kylo. But....isn't he the one who raise AN EMPIRE? A GALACTIC Empire? I mean, that's like the nazism on the entire galaxy. And more! I suppose that he should be great almost as Palpatine itself, isn't it? It should be a pretty big Character, a Powerful one....so....what's happened? Was he high? Was he sick? What's the problem Rian, how can I accept that he can't see the heart of Ren when is precisely TALKING ABOUT HIS HEART?! Is Snooke so weak? So stupid? He raise the First Order, he rise the Knights of Ren, how can it be so dumb?! This character is the worst scrypt I ever seen in any StarWars movie!! Even JARJAR is writed better! C'mon, what the f- was that?!

The Knights of Ren! Yeah, forgot about them, because the movie forgot them as well too...so nothing about Snooke identity, nothing about them too. Nice job.

And Rey's parents? No one...just merchants.....really? But the thing, again, is that the scene doesn't work. This movie sucks in a director-point o view. Not so much pathos for them, Rey always knew that, and once she said that....that's all. Like the dead of Han Solo: no one is crying for him. Just a 10 seconds of struggle and the movie just go on....wow, really, wow. Such empatyze...

The plan of the Purplehair-Leiasecond. Wow, that's amazing. POE WAS RIGHT! In the movie, Poe is the impetous one, and the story would suggest to give him a lesson. Stay on your spot, be wise, listen the plans...yep...the problem is when Poe actually comes to the Purple one and actually ASK FOR THE PLAN. He's not ruling, he's ASKING for a plan. He's saying "Look, we are desperate, help us! Commander, tell us that there's a plan". And she sais nothing....the movie goes on, and Leia then says to Poe that the original plan was always that: to escape into the pod, in the nearest rebel planet.

WHY THE HECK YOU NEVER TOLD HIM THAT?! In the movie, Poe is struggling for being conscious of any plan. Of course he get mad, if no one is saying something to you in that situation, you just think that you're going to die. Wtf Rian, what's your problem? It's not a lesson, it's not good, Poe was always RIGHT. If the purple one just says to poe "look, the plan is escape with pods into that planet over there" he will just listen you and worked with you! Wtf is your problem?

The run-by of those....I don't know, rusty sidecar? 9 of them (was them 9?) directly in front of the FO deploy. And the big artillery itself. And my god what stopped Finn to get on the cannon? A FO shot? A FO artillery shot? No....the asian one. In. The. Same. Faction. It was like 10 Panzers agains 9 Bicycles, and you're saying to me that those bicycles...are working? Really? The FO cannot shoot down those things? Rebels, litterally, what are you all afraid for? Your enemy is a clown, just face it off. There's no pathos, no threat, the enemy is not dangerous, is an idiot. The other movies almost had Darth Vader, Palpatine, but these guys? Really...Snooke is dead and Kylo Ren is THE SAME STUPID KID. No evolution in him. Luke appear, and what does he do? Rants, scream, "kill him, shoot him down!". Oh you're grown up uh? The same dumb kid...but hey, so the FO have guns! And are good to aim too! Why the heck you haven't shot to them damned sidecars just FEW MINUTE AGO?! Riaaaaaaan!!! You are throwing the **** against Luke: where was that fire power before?!

AT-AT gorillas...brrr..

And then...it becomes Dragon Ball. After the shots, the calm....the powder fly aways...I can see Goku right there, stand...no...it's not him: it's Luke! Which throw away some powder from his suit precisesly as a Sayan after an huge-useless-enemy attack. Yeah, it's over Ninethousand guys.

And it ends again with a Skype-Force-Call...

All the movie is stupid. The villains are silly and not a threat. Rebels are bad writed. Rey and Kylo have basically 0 evolution. Rey discovered NOTHING, that was not a training, that was swing the sword twice and just realize what you knew since the beginning. Even Yoda says that! And Kylo still a screaming girl with no grow at all. Disney wants you laughing, and you need to laugh. You must laugh. Laugh!

PS: wait. Yoda. You can strike thunders as a spirit force?! GO TO FIGHT AND HELP THE RESISTANCE!

This movie has some good messages, but the direction is in a trash-level...embarassing.

And one thing: I know nothing about Legends, and I don't even care. A movie need to work WITHOUT the knowledge of the comics. It's a StarWars movie, so I should have just watched the other movies. That's all. So if someone is going to quote me just for saying something like: "eh but in legends it works because.." I-don't-care. If you're a good director, you're able to explain those things without the comics. Ryan is not.

6 minutes ago, Cerve said:

the Asian.

SMH

I love it when people identify themselves for my ignore list.

1 minute ago, BlodVargarna said:

SMH

I love it when people identify themselves for my ignore list.

Why have you been intentionally provoking people here the last few days? Can't you just play nice in the sand box?

9 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

SMH
I love it when people identify themselves for my ignore list.

You are only allowed to give 50 likes per day. You cannot give any more likes today.

15 minutes ago, Cerve said:

The burglar. We will never knew the right, rich one. We just know Guglielmo. And please, Guglielmo, stay behind the camera I like your movies.

Benecio was the actor in the movie, not Guillermo.

8 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

Why have you been intentionally provoking people here the last few days? Can't you just play nice in the sand box?

On this occasion, I back him. No need to refer to her as 'the Asian'

Just now, The Penguin UK said:

On this occasion, I back him. No need to refer to her as 'the Asian'

You can disagree with the statement without the provocative "You're now on my ignore list". You can place someone on your ignore list with out telling the whole community and causing tension. Also, if you look at the body of his recent posts there is a pattern of being snarky and "pushing". I just desire a pleasant free exchange of ideas, not a "gotcha" match.

29 minutes ago, Cartchan said:

Well, at no point in Ep. VII or VIII, the area of influence of the New Republic is specified. Maybe the New Republic controls only some core systems while the New Order prospers in other parts of the galaxy. Maybe there is some kind of peace between the NR and the FO before TFA with the Resistence being the only ones realizing the danger.

Also, I can't remember anything prooving that the New Order took control of the galaxy after the events in TFA.

Given the book I read that comes before TFA the New Republic was barely holding together and the leaders who had it better under the Empire had basically decided to hire terrorists to bomb the Senate and make an excuse to put an authoritarian government in place. They essentially were all volunteering their own troops to reform the empire. The peaceful planets basically just folded like a house of cards and Leia and her old Rebel friends bounced to form the resistance.

56 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Jup. They totally did. And Snoke and Luke both totally did fall for it. Larky apparently as well. ;-)
The movie makes clear that Luke thought Snoke did get him, but was mistaken and that was exactly what did turn Kylo, but Luke was way to ashamed of it to go around and correct that common misconception about his nephew.

Clear? That's a perception again. The movie, to me, was clear that Luke saw Kylo slipping to Snoke and overreacted (in a "I just met young Hitler" way). It never says that he (Luke) misread it, only that he believed that he overreacted. Again, it is said, multiple times from multiple sources, that Snoke was in Kylo's head before these events.

7 minutes ago, miguelj said:

Benecio was the actor in the movie, not Guillermo.

Uh, thanks! That's why I felt disoriented about him ahah

I never thought I could miss the Vong. But I'd have taken them back (or never let them go) if I'd have known how bad this would be.

coming from some one who walked out of the movie with sad face... lets look at this a bit deeper shall we?

1: Comedy scene with Hux vs Poe - complete BS. not needed

2: First Order having a crazy powerful army/fleet. I'm thinking we have seen the entire fleet in this movie... I'm not so sure they have much else out there. After all the only enemy they are focused on is the resistance..who's entire fleet could be fielded in a game of Armada and still have points left over.

3: Canto Brite: A worthless scene in writing and in execution. They just made Finn a complete rehash of what he did in Episode 7. This is my biggest issue with the film. While I never really got attached to the character, I think he deserves a lot more.

4: The timeline difference between the battle and Rey/Luke on planet. Oh wait, that happened in ESB as well. Easier just to not think about the timeline issues and enjoy the movie.

5: Snoke isn't anyone. Oh well, you know what? We didn't know who the Emperor was either. He was just this mysterious super powerful figure even Darth Vader was scared of, and we all knew Darth Vader was pretty evil!

6: Rey isnt' anyone. Well I like this actually. Not everyone has to be tied to everyone. It would be like the royal family. I do really like the explanation of Rey being super powerful because she is the balance to Kylo.

7: The whole balance of the force motif is awesome. Originally hinted at with the Bendu/Kanan arc in Rebels which I think they did a great job of keeping that alive. The idea that the Jedi is a silly religion and that peace is only found when you are balanced is awesome. It shows that Luke is more intelligent than previous Jedi... I see him as Star Wars Athiest now. (Flame suit on!)

8: Leia Poppins: I agree, in the moment it's a stupid scene, it shouldn't have happened. She is obviously more skilled in the force than ever believed before...but I'm sure Luke gave her more training than we may have known. The fact that this has happened in Clone Wars makes it more acceptable. I just think it was a bad scene.

9: Leia didn't die: Well she already shot all her scenes. If she died during the battle sequence she wouldn't have been around to hand off the leadership to Poe. She wouldn't have been around to have that heartfelt scene with Luke at the end (and we would have been upset that they never got to see each other again!) Do I think it would have been better for the story if she traded places with Holdo and ripped through the Supremacy? Sure. I think both Skywalkers should have died.

10: Kylo off the deep end... so much win. That dude is pure evil now. Redeemed the character in my opinion.

11: I think I would have enjoyed a final duel between Luke and Kylo where Luke was actually there clashing sabers. But this was pretty cool and well done. Kylo's rage here is incredible and blinding, it was great.

12: I really wanted more Rey and Luke. I think the story arc here was well done, but could have been a lot better. Dare I say Sabine's training in trials of the dark saber was a much more emotional and better directed/written training scene overall? (If not the best in the series?)

13: The ice mirror... oh my god I loved that. I don't know why....but it felt so powerful.

14: I still hate all the necessary slap stick.

15: Deus-Ex BB8 is second on my list for things that hurt the movie. I liked BB8 after the first movie, I want to see him dismantled for scrap now.

16: NEEDS MORE A-WINGS!!!! Oh, and Tallie (A-Wing pilot) is effin cute. OMG.

17: Now that Rey has to make her own saber... it better not be Pink. I hope it's white like Ashoka, showing that she is in the balance.

18: The Yoda scene I loved. I thought I would hate it...but it is one of my favorites. That interaction between those two was great.

19: They turned Hux into a babbling idiot. He's supposed to be a ruthless leader.

Not pink? Sure, she is getting purple, suits her character best as she seems to have a lot in common with Mace Windu.

Meh. Hux wasn’t a credible leader in TFA either.

Watching Yoda burn the original Jedi texts was like watching the Pope burn an original copy of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

It felt like I was watching a fan-fiction written by someone who hated Star Wars and everyone who loves it.

6 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

19: They turned Hux into a babbling idiot. He's supposed to be a ruthless leader.

Hux was already not taken seriously in the last one. More than just Kylo's contempt. As Starkiller base was in dying the FO officers were noting that Hux had already abandoned his post, something he had done quietly. Here, beyond Kylo, the officers didn't show respect for Hux on the bridge - a lot of whispering and shared looks - and Snoke notes with contempt that even Hux had uses.

He's been whiney the whole way. This has been a spiral for Hux but it's been consistent. My question though, is how the heck did this guy rise to power? He's certainly not a brilliant tactician. The competent commanders are there to be had and they don't like Hux (again, Dreadnaught commander as example.) Is he just very good a political backstabbing?

I liked it. It was very Star Wars and there was a lot of awesomeness. None of the batteles disappointed, space, ground, and lightsabre.

I felt it could have been half an hour or so shorter, cutting most of the weird wacky slapstick on the island. I've felt this about pretty much every movie I've seen in recent years (the half hour shorter, not the slapstick). Hollywood just seems to have taken to adding length without adding content, to justify padding ticket prices.

I felt there were significant writing issues, some of which stood out during the film and some of which I only worked out the following day, in particular Holdo not frigging talking to Poe. You're all on the same side, have a conversation. Give the hothead something to do or he's gonna hothead. The stern chase conceit was fine, there were blindingly obvious solutions even to me as a civilian that I feel should have occurred to the military leaders of the f/o, but I'm comfortable handwaving that Snoke cultivated a culture of snivelling yes-men without and ounce of initiative between them to explain that.

There are a thousand other niggling little things, but none of them... matter that much, and pale in comparison to the coolness of the good bits.

But mostly, I was very pleased.

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I'm also meta-sad, because it really feels like Ep 9 was intended to be Leia leading a new resbellion, but Death of the Author is going to put paid to that. I suspect had they known the future, that any of several heroic sacrifice moments could have been hers instead of other characters', and that probably Luke wouldn't have died, but they weren't to know Carrie would drown in moonlight, strangled by her own bra shortly after they wrapped. With the information they had at the time, this was absolutely the right way to end this film (especially given that Luke can come back as a force ghost), but that vile beast Real Life has screwed things up horribly.

I suspect we get a pretty big time jump before Ep 9, and Leia gets some kind of offscreen heroic death.

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I'm also bouncing between grumpy and happy from an X Wing perspective - ONLY THE A WING FOR NEW SHIPS RAR but also SPACE FOR OLD EU/CLONE WARS SHIPS YAY.

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1 minute ago, DirbYh said:

Watching Yoda burn the original Jedi texts was like watching the Pope burn an original copy of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

It felt like I was watching a fan-fiction written by someone who hated Star Wars and everyone who loves it.

He didn't burn the texts. Rey took them when she left, they're visible in a locker on the Falcon near the end. What he told Obi Wan was precisely correct... from a certain point of view.

5 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

It is not a reset to small rebellion vs big bad empire. We see BOTH SIDES lose almost everything. Now we have a situation that is a first for big screen Star Wars: low tech on both sides. The FO has some few SDs left. The Resistance has some unspecified Allies left. That is way different than where Episode4 started!

They brought up those allies so often that you can‘t call them an ex machina anymore. We heard several times that they are out there.

Where? I missed that in all the books I‘ve read, and definitely in the movies.

The First Order emerging led to a huge debate. You think it‘s not possible for the republic to tolerate sympathizers? We can observe something extremely similar right now in the US, and there are again more historical examples to make paralyzing debates very plausible.

Except for the comment in the film where it was said, I think by Leia, that the First Order had taken control over the major systems. If they are conquering the galaxy I think it is pretty safe to say that they still have tons of resources on their hands. Sure, the FO in about a week lost a DS III and their giant 'SUPER ULTRA CHICKEN' star destroyer that served as their main, supposedly, shipyard and capital but they still have a whole bunch of forces out their for new emperor Darth Caedus...I mean Kylo Ren to rule over.

5 hours ago, KellenC said:

You mean the allies that are:

"Receiving the message...they're just not coming..."

I guess it could be possible that they were killed by the First Order, though that means that the First Order not only knew about those cells and allies but also went and killed them while conquering the galaxy and trying to wipe out the Resistance fleet. Look, I'm just saying that if the Empire was as magically competent as the plot declares the First Order to be the entire Jedi Order would have been wiped out no exceptions.

4 hours ago, RogueLeader42 said:

That was done after one year

Yea, the whole new timeline is screwy, it was all in service to prepping for TFA and is sort of handicapped for it.

4 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

...not to mention destroy absolutely everything that the characters in those three seasons of Rebels, Rogue One and the Original Trilogy fought and sacrificed for in the process.

I mean goddamnit Disney. I get you want to move the timeline ahead and go in your own direction and milk the franchise like a blue milk space walrus for years to come. That's fine. But did you really have to crush everything quite so heavy-handedly? Han and Leia's love ends in divorce, estrangement and patricide. Luke fails as a teacher and contemplates murdering his own nephew - the son of his best friend and his sister - in cold blood. Chewie gets ignored by Leia after his life debt friend dies. The Republic is totally obliterated by Empire fanboys, along with everything else our heroes worked so hard to accomplish.

That rhythmic crunching sound you hear, that's not the sound of First Order jackboots, it's a mouse jumping up and down on top of the Original Trilogy's broken bones.

That is something I've hated about the ST, how it takes all the characters you love from the originals and just kind of destroys their lives to make it as set up for the new films. I think they crippled or heavily hurt Wedge to explain why he wasn't there in a book too, since the actor didn't just want to come back for a cameo when he is a busy british actor.

3 hours ago, Odanan said:

One thing nobody commented here: this movie was not made for selling toys (excluding the porgs) - which is kind of new for SW and Disney.

Uh, not really, Ewoks were mostly made to be toys. I think it is even said that Lucas wanted to make a toy that his daughter could have from Star Wars so he thought a plush teddy bear would work.

53 minutes ago, Cartchan said:

Also, I can't remember anything prooving that the New Order took control of the galaxy after the events in TFA.

They mention at somepoint during the film that the First Order had control over all the major systems.

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

17: Now that Rey has to make her own saber... it better not be Pink. I hope it's white like Ashoka, showing that she is in the balance.

As per current lore the color depends on her disposition and the like, generally meaning blue or green, though if she wanted a white saber she'd need to find a crystal that was 'bled' by a darksider and then heal it so it lost its color.

4 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

Hux was already not taken seriously in the last one. More than just Kylo's contempt. As Starkiller base was in dying the FO officers were noting that Hux had already abandoned his post, something he had done quietly. Here, beyond Kylo, the officers didn't show respect for Hux on the bridge - a lot of whispering and shared looks - and Snoke notes with contempt that even Hux had uses.

He's been whiney the whole way. This has been a spiral for Hux but it's been consistent. My question though, is how the heck did this guy rise to power? He's certainly not a brilliant tactician. The competent commanders are there to be had and they don't like Hux (again, Dreadnaught commander as example.) Is he just very good a political backstabbing?

My read was the Hux was promoted above his competence by Snoke specifically to have a general who would be disliked and easy to manipulate.

1 minute ago, Animewarsdude said:

As per current lore the color depends on her disposition and the like, generally meaning blue or green, though if she wanted a white saber she'd need to find a crystal that was 'bled' by a darksider and then heal it so it lost its color.

She stated in a few interviews (Daisy that is) that she wants a pink saber. lol

but I think it will remain blue as she will reuse Luke's crystal...