So, I was 2 when ANH came out. It was literally the first movie I can remember seeing. Star Wars and everything surrounding it was huge for me.

When I saw TPM it didn't go down easily at first. But, I worked in a movie theater that summer so I ended up seeing it a LOT (10 times full length with myself or friends I was taking to see it and bits and pieces over and over again through the normal course of working) Eventually my mind began to accept it. Kind of like if you move to a new place, getting used to the food and the weather and such.

I also accepted that there was no way I could ever see the prequel trilogy through a child's eyes and so I stopped trying to do that. I had a special experience with a story and a set of characters. Rather than expect that to happen again I embraced it all as an adult.

I've got real strong opinions about all the movies, but I still love them all. (I'm also glad the EU got sent to the ash heap of history...maybe 10% of it was worth the paper and ink used to make it and the rest was horrible and incredibly deriviative).

Stop chasing the dragon of that childhood excitement. Find a different way to enjoy it.

I know that you have to take all of Star Wars with a little bit of suspended disbelief. But still TFA was epic in scale of a movie and still just didn't hit the spot for me. No real surprises, I remember the first time we saw an Imperial Star Destroyer, I thought it would never end. No one movie spoiled everything, it came it bits as we discovered the Jedi powers, Luke's father, Yoda, etc. add that to the fact that so much was just a redo of existing plots and characters, finally the addition of JJ's love of plot devices that break things. If you can come out of hyperspace inside a shield why risk a ship and crew. Drop several anti-matter bombs and be done with it. Suspension of disbelief doesn't always extend to the lame and that happens several times.

Just for fun, here is something I found on the web. I was pretty small so I expanded on it quite a bit. I'm still missing a few bits but it's still good:

If anyone says 'it was just a remake' just say 'Yeah so. It's still a good movie.'

It starts off with Princess Leia (now played by Poe) on a mission to get secret information to the Rebellion (now the Resistance) when she/he is attacked by Darth Vader (now Kylo Ren) and she/he has to put said information into R2-D2 (now BB8) and tells him to go, before Leia/Poe is captured. R2-D2/BB-8 then travels across the desert of Tattoine (now Jakku) until he meets Luke Skywalker (now Rey).

Meanwhile Leia/Poe is rescued by Han Solo (now Finn) and they escape. The story is slightly out of order and a slight detour with Poe and Finn crash landing back on Jakku where they are separated. But soon it's back on track as Luke/Rey and Han/Finn get together to escape the desert planet in the Millennium Falcon. Then they meet up with old Ben Kenobi aka a cool mentor who teaches them about the Force (now Han Solo) and takes the information to the Rebellion/Resistance. But first they are confronted by Greedo (now two sets of smugglers). Then after a daring escape they travel to the Cantina (now the planet Takodana) to seek advice/help from Han Solo (now Maz Kanata the one with the big glasses).

Finally they get the information to the Rebellion/Resistance and make a plan to attack the Empire (now The First Order) after the Empire/First Order uses their super weapon called the Death Star (now Starkiller Base) the Rebels/Resistance send a team (Kenobi/Solo) to knock out the shield generator/tractor beam (Star Wars A New Hope and Return of the Jedi). When they get there Kenobi/Luke/Solo confronts Vader/Ren on a bridge over an abyss (Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back) and is struck down. This gives Luke/Rey a reason to fight Vader/Ren. Which they do and at some point Luke/Rey uses the force to retrieve the Light Saber from the snow (The Empire Strikes Back). Meanwhile Wedge Antilles (now also Poe) leads an assault with T65 X-Wings (now T70) to blow up the Death Star/Starkiller Base. They even have to navigate a trench (Star Wars A New Hope) and fly into the core (Return of the Jedi). As the clock on the Death Star/Star Killer counts down to blowing up yet another world the Rebels/ Resistance win the day. Luke/Rey goes off to be trained by an old hermit Jedi Master named Yoda (now Luke Skywalker).

Other than that there are no similarities; Or maybe it was just a reboot.

Side Note: If the name of the last movie was "Return of the Jedi" and the new movie is "The Last Jedi" then the Jedi really didn't last that long after all did they?

The funny thing is, if you strip away nostalgia, ignore the EU that was built after it, and do not consider ESB/RotJ and just compare TFA and ANH straight up...

TFA is actually hands down a better movie, even after taking knocks for being derivative. Especially when you consider that ANH is itself derivative (another retelling of the hero’s tale). The TFA plot makes slightly more sense and the protagonist faction is significantly smarter in TFA. That being said, TFA will never have the same cultural impact just due to quality and content of filmmaking overall during their releases.

You need to distance ANH from all of that which followed in order to compare it and TFA fairly. TFA doesn’t have 40 years of nerds filling in details and making excuses for terrible plot choices like ANH does. Nobody whom I have heard complain about TFA does that comparison fairly.

To go back up my rather extraordinary claims, here is one example: In ANH/TFA the Rebels/Resistance attacks the evil sphere.

-In ANH, they piss away enough time for Vader to prep and launch a squadron not set up for fast response (his bodyguard squad) BEFORE they even start really trying. Even assuming better technology than real life, that’s 10+ minutes. Then they make the approach as needlessly danagerous as possible by flying down a trench and forcing straight line flight while inexplicably forcing torpedoes to make what looks like a 90 degree turn in the movie before entering the Death Star exhaust.

-In TFA, Poe and company come in at full speed and strafe the target with as little warning as possible and only stick around when it doesn’t work right away.

The general plot is nearly the same, TFA just does it all slightly better.

22 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

So, I was 2 when ANH came out. It was literally the first movie I can remember seeing. Star Wars and everything surrounding it was huge for me.

When I saw TPM it din't go down easily at first. But, I worked in a movie theater that summer so I ended up seeing it a LOT (10 times full length with myself or friends I was taking to see it and bits and pieces over and over again through the normal course of working) Eventually my mind began to accept it. Kind of like if you move to a new place, getting used to the food and the weather and such.

Or like Stockholm Syndrome.

I'll take this chance to speak my mind out about this althogh I think that most Star Wars fans doesn't think like me. First of all, I really liked the prequels and Rogue One. It's true they have it's ups and downs, but overall I liked them very much.
But I don't like what path they took for Episode VII because I liked the Vong and really wanted that story made on movies as it's something completely different from what we've seen on the other movies and not make a "copy" of the original trilogy but with bigger stuff as it happened with TFA and apparently so with TLJ. A bigger Death Star, bigger Star Destroyers, bigger AT-ATs and also a bigger "Executor".
Just wanted to say that, now you can hate me all you want

26 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

I'll take this chance to speak my mind out about this althogh I think that most Star Wars fans doesn't think like me. First of all, I really liked the prequels and Rogue One. It's true they have it's ups and downs, but overall I liked them very much.
But I don't like what path they took for Episode VII because I liked the Vong and really wanted that story made on movies as it's something completely different from what we've seen on the other movies and not make a "copy" of the original trilogy but with bigger stuff as it happened with TFA and apparently so with TLJ. A bigger Death Star, bigger Star Destroyers, bigger AT-ATs and also a bigger "Executor".
Just wanted to say that, now you can hate me all you want

Is that what you want?

9 hours ago, Norell said:

First of all, I loved Star Wars long before Disney bought the franchise. I've read almost every EU book, lots of comics and I loved them. Even te Vong, the Caedus arc and to some extent the Abeloth arc. I'm not a mindless fanboy, I don't think everything was golden. There was always a Sith remnant wannabe, the Yevetha arc was pointless, I disliked the Killiks, and I really hated how Tenel Ka's own arc turned out. There were many boring books too like Secrets/Loves of the Jedi and others.

So I admit I watched TFA the first time with prejudice and that could be part of why I hate it so vehemently. So now that a new movie is released and it is reported to be really good, I decided to be open-minded, ignore the EU ever existed and rewatch the new stuff again. Some Rebels episodes, Rogue One and finally TFA.

I think Rebels is watchable but not excellent. R1 was mediocre in writing and dull, full of uninteresting and unolmotivated characters. The rebels act like they wouldn't know what they signed up to, and the very ending (Leia being in the battle herself) totally messed up the first 15 minutes of ANH (the diplomatic ship excuse? And why not just blow up the Tantive with the plans still on board?).

And TFA... Gosh this movie is still horrible! Finn's story makes no sense whatsoever, Rey using Force powers after 3 attempts, and Darth Whiner is... He is like the Holiday Special. Ridiculous and painful to watch at the same time. And the movie itself is still a ripoff of ANH with the only exception that everything is smaller (FO compared to the Empire, Resistance compared to the Rebel Alliance, Kylo compared to Vader, the struggle of some mediocre powers in the shadow of the Galactic Republic compared to an all-out Galactic Civil War etc.) but the same time wants to look bigger (bigger ships, meaner stormtroopers, bigger superweapon, more menacing supervillain etc.). And overall, it has poorly written dialogs, it's badly directed, the actors over- or underplay, and it even lacks memorable music! Seriously, in every John Willliams film there is at least one theme that is so memorable you will recognize it in an instant. TFA has none.

I cannot understand how can this movie can be rated higher than any other Star Wars movie. But people seem to love it so maybe it's me. I didn't like the Abramsverse Star Trek after all...

So please dear Armada Community! Convince me that TFA is good! I really love Star Wars and I want to enjoy what comes in the future but it seems thst I'm missing something. Please praise the movie for me and convince me to buy a ticket to the new one!

I gotta say, you sound like one of the bitter EU defenders. You invested so much of your self into the EU content that when Disney wiped it all, it felt like a personal swipe at you. You need to just step back, relax, and enjoy it. You simply are afraid of, and hate change. The EU had to go. It was a garbled mess that basically hindered any further advancement in the SW universe.

I'm a big SW fan and have been my entire life basically. I was invested in the EU also. I think the prequel trilogy is an absolute mess. However, they never hurt my overall opinion of the IP. Parts of them were even good...not much, but bits and pieces. While I liked parts of the EU...it was honestly trash. Most of it was as bad as the Prequel trilogy. Some was sadly worse. The Vong and everything to do with them was pointless. And you want to talk about how the TFA just was a redo of ANH? Did you miss like basically every other book of the EU where macguffins and super powered ships/stations/weapons were being built and destroyed on a nearly monthly basis? Wikipedia has a list of like 70 star wars super weapons. It's part of the IP.

TFA isn't some masterpiece, but it's a good movie. Finn's story makes a fair amount of sense, as does his personal drive for self preservation. Luke and Anakin were using the force before they even knew what it was. With about 5 minutes of training and a pep talk from a hermit, Luke is blocking laser bolts with a lightsaber while blind. Anakin with no training at all is winning pod races (a nearly impossible feat for humans) and then piloting a ship into an intense space battle and blowing up an entire space ship/base by himself allowing the forces of good to win the day. Rey on the other hand knows about the force. She's heard the stories, she's dreamed of being a Jedi, she knows of their powers and believes in it. She starts to believe that she actually has those powers, and she starts trying to use them. The stormtroopers in TFA are brainwashed and easily manipulated. Being able to use a jedi mind trick on them would be child's play. When she's losing the fight, she centers herself, focuses her energy and lets go of her hate allowing the force to flow through her. Again, this is stuff they teach padawans, and something demonstrated early on by Luke. Her leap to power was no more significant than either Luke or Anakin, and honestly more believable since she already had belief and knowledge about jedi.

Sure, TFA is a big rip off of ANH. But then again, so is Return. Bigger super weapon, bigger ships, bigger threats, and overcome in much the same way. We'll see some new huge capital ships in Ep8, and I'm sure Ep9 will have some new super weapon. Lets face it, the First order investing in more stormtroopers and tie fighters doesn't exactly make for a compelling movie pitch.

TFA did NOT have poor dialog. It was not badly directed. TFA had extremely believable characters with extremely believable reactions to situations around them. You felt connected to these people. You understand their motivations. Nothing needs to be spoonfed to your like in Ep1-3. The humor isn't forced down your throat with ridiculously childish jokes. The music felt pretty darn good. Go watch 1-3 with music but without dialogue. Except for the action scenes, you have no idea what the heck is going on or why. Emotionless blank faces. The dialogue is used to tell you how everyone feels. It's unnatural. Now watch TFA again in the same way. You can tell by their faces, their body language, and their reactions exactly what is going on and why.

TFA is not rated higher than any other SW movie, and it shouldn't be. But it's not a bad movie. The biggest issue with TFA is that it did a poor job of introducing the villains. Ren was a **** crybaby and you couldn't help but wonder how he gained power in the First Order like he has. Hux and Phasma could have been completely absent and it wouldn't have mattered. Snoke was giving no story to hook onto. And the damage done by the super weapon was given so little weight, you'd have no idea why it even mattered. TFA focused on the good guys to a fault. But it did a good job of establishing them and what drives them. TLJ apparently digs dipper into the bad guys which will help flesh out the entire universe more which is sorely needed.

TLJ is apparently REALLY good. Like Empire good. RO was good, TFA was good. Let go of the EU. Disney is hand picking the good parts of the EU back out of the trash and making them canon again. So the best elements of the EU are slowly being re-established in a way that works and makes sense. But Disney is also added to the IP in a way that works, makes sense, and is enjoyable.

Your comments about Star Trek only further prove to me that you are just bitter about someone changing something from your childhood. Again, Abram's ST isn't bad. The movies are fun, enjoyable action romps. They are honestly better than about half of the original movies. Are they original trek? No, they aren't. But they aren't bad trek either. And in both cases, they are helping to keep the IPs alive.

If Abram's didn't reboot Trek, do you think we'd have a new series? Do you think new RPGs would be developed? New material keeps the old material fresh. If Disney hadn't bought up SW, do you think we'd have Rebels? Rebellion? X-wing? Armada? Legion? Imperial Assault? The new movies and new content is keeping the old stuff you loved alive, and in fact revitalizing the IP in it's entirety.

You still aren't approaching anything in SW with an open mind. You're still bitter. If you can't at least enjoy parts of Rebels for what it is, you need to re-examine yourself. If you can't see how TFA and RO were solid, good movies, then you need to take a step back.

Also, RO didn't hurt ANH at all. Leia is a diplomat. Her ship could be on a diplomatic mission. Her ship was barely in RO, so it's not like Vader could positively identify it, and even if he could, why wouldn't Leia still lie. As for the plans, Vader needs to make sure the plans are not leaked to the Rebels. This means he has to make sure they are recovered or destroyed. Blowing up the ship means he has no way to verify that the ship didn't somehow relay those plans to yet another ship or that someone didn't escape with a copy. If he blew it up, but the plans had been transmitted to someone on Tatooine, well, the Empire is still SOL and they don't know it. If they capture the ship and discover the plans had been transmitted, they know they have more work to do.

Ultimately, no one can make you like something. Maybe you are so bitter about the loss of the EU that you just need to find a new passion. But if you still love the idea of SW, then you need to stop being so hurt about the EU and start enjoying SW again. I hate the prequels, and I think the SW universe is worse off due to their existence, but I don't let that detract from the enjoyment I can derive from the rest of the universe.

My $.02... (on lunch break)

-Rogue One was better than TFA. For me, mostly because of the last act. I legit could watch the Vader scene in a loop for 15 minutes, and I'd still have a giant grin on my face. And the whole Scariff battle was great.

-TFA is a pretty obvious remake of ANH. It wasn't bad, just... disappointing. I swear, if TLJ is a straight remake of ESB, I'm done with this new trilogy. At least full price ticket done with it.

-I really enjoyed the prequels. A large part of the reasoning for it was the excellent soundtracks, Ewan McGregor, and all the action.

-TFA's soundtrack was ok. Rogue One as well. But none of it was as good as the earlier film's. We'll see how TLJ does. I love John Williams, but I don't like his transition to everything sounding like Harry Potter.

TFA is mostly bad. Rogue One exists for K2SO, the battle sequences, and the Vader scene. I can watch rogue one a lot because the battle sequences were great. I cant watch TFA because Finn is dumb, Rey is a Mary Sue, and Starkiller Base is Death Star Mk3. Kylo has issues where you unman the villain before he has a chance to shine. The villain makes the heroes, dont do that shi*. I dont watch the clone wars or rebels because I feel they are basically made for children. I watch anime, so I know a thing or two about not judging a story based on its medium, but the over-simplicity and melodrama of both shows just bored me quite frankly. Nothing surprising or exciting ever happened in them imo.

Yet I still give TFA a pass because it was Disney's first SW movie. If Last Jedi is bad, then I wont really get hyped for any more SW movies but take them case by case. I also dont get excited for Last Jedi just because some people say it was good because they said the same things about TFA.

The only good things about TFA was the art style, the retro lightsaber fights, and seeing more than 1 woman in a sw movie (even if one was good at everything she tried for no reason at all. Which is a shame because otherwise the character was great). The dialogue was bad the plot was bad AND ripped off from a different movie, and the cinematography and information given to the audience were just terrible in general.

Again, I can hope they learned their lesson, that they don't rip off a previous plot (which it looks like they did), that they have better dialogue and the scene framing and information given to the audience are acceptable (not having to google shi* to figure out what the f was going on and where they were. and being able to have something entirely in frame in a cinematic shot. Looking at you, jj.) So, i am going to see a movie and hoping it is a good one but not having expectations of it being any good at all.

NONE OF THE ABOVE MEANS YOU CANNOT ENJOY STAR WARS. Nothing disney does can take the EU away from you if you like it better. I treat them as parallel universes. Disney is now doing an alternate history as it were. This doesn't really persuade you to like SW more, I think, but I hope it gives some insight into my thoughts on the franchise and why I view it the way I do.

Ps - march of the resistance is a great track from TFA. I dont remember any sound from rogue one tho.

Kmanweiss, you can not be attached to the EU and still find issue with RO leia ending or yet another superweapon or think the acting was bad (rey has 2 expressions in tfa, but finn was good). That's all I wanted to say, not trying to start some epic nitpicky discussion.

I'd say my issue with TFA is that Disney couldn't decide if it wanted a sequel or a reboot, and then ended up trying to find something in the middle. Thus in the end we get a bunch of new characters like it's a sequel, but those new characters lose screen time and development because Disney also wants the nostalgia with the old actors. That's before considering the obvious main plot rehashes.

I'd say TFA was a technically competently made movie, but clearly made with lots of input from execs. I was super hyped up for the movie after my first viewing. However, TFA was unlike any other movie experience for me in that in my 2nd and 3rd viewings in the theater I could feel that nostalgia shine wearing off and the disappointment creeping in.

On the flipside, I absolutely LOVE Rogue One. Yes, I think the 1st Act and particularly Saw Guerrera feels like something that was once a big part of the story in old drafts that was later cut, but Rogue One had the balance of fan service and new things that spoke to me way more than TFA did. I can still vividly recall my excitement in the theater when Darth Vader appeared in that hallway. Plus, I think Gareth Edwards is much better than JJ Abrams at compositing interesting shots for the camera. I can and do re-watch the Battle of Scariff more times than I care to admit.

About loving Star Wars again, just know that being Star Wars fan does not mean you have to unquestioningly love everything Star Wars related that comes out.

Personally, if TFA was what sparked this new Star Wars interest and allows for things like Star Wars Armada and new video games (please oh please give me a reboot of X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter) then even just for that I'd say it was worth it.

23 minutes ago, Badly Browned said:

I'd say my issue with TFA is that Disney couldn't decide if it wanted a sequel or a reboot, and then ended up trying to find something in the middle. Thus in the end we get a bunch of new characters like it's a sequel, but those new characters lose screen time and development because Disney also wants the nostalgia with the old actors. That's before considering the obvious main plot rehashes.

I'd say TFA was a technically competently made movie, but clearly made with lots of input from execs. I was super hyped up for the movie after my first viewing. However, TFA was unlike any other movie experience for me in that in my 2nd and 3rd viewings in the theater I could feel that nostalgia shine wearing off and the disappointment creeping in.

On the flipside, I absolutely LOVE Rogue One. Yes, I think the 1st Act and particularly Saw Guerrera feels like something that was once a big part of the story in old drafts that was later cut, but Rogue One had the balance of fan service and new things that spoke to me way more than TFA did. I can still vividly recall my excitement in the theater when Darth Vader appeared in that hallway. Plus, I think Gareth Edwards is much better than JJ Abrams at compositing interesting shots for the camera. I can and do re-watch the Battle of Scariff more times than I care to admit.

About loving Star Wars again, just know that being Star Wars fan does not mean you have to unquestioningly love everything Star Wars related that comes out.

Personally, if TFA was what sparked this new Star Wars interest and allows for things like Star Wars Armada and new video games (please oh please give me a reboot of X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter) then even just for that I'd say it was worth it.

This is actually the most well formulated assessment of The New Wars I've read on the internet.

@Norell I'm curious to hear what you think of the Last Jedi?

As others have said, just relax and watch and if you don't enjoy it you dont enjoy it. My advice though if you want to try enjoying the new stuff surround yourself or visit sites that are full of people more positive about the new material such as these forums.

If all you read or view is stuff hating anything new canon or the new films then no matter how good the film is it will only destroy any excitement you may have. I find its easier to be more cynical around positivity for something it is to be more idealistic around negativity about something.

8 hours ago, Bolshevik65 said:

Rogue One was better but a bit PC, a Social Justice Warrior fest. I expect the new film will be better than both those.

In what way is it a social justice warrior fest? Because it has non-white actors and women in leading roles? Last time I checked it made no big deal out of that nor became preachy in any way the original Star Wars movie was. In what way was it more politically correct then the original films?

Social Justice Warrior is someone who fanatically forces an extreme of political correctness on others constantly. All Rogue One told me was that fascism and destroying planets are both pretty bad.

8 minutes ago, Forresto said:

All Rogue One told me was that fascism and destroying planets are both pretty bad.

Also that annoying blind men can shoot down Tie-fighters with a bow, and that Imperial battledroids become ten times as effective after they are reprogrammed by the Rebels.

5 hours ago, Stasy said:

-I really enjoyed the prequels. A large part of the reasoning for it was the excellent soundtracks, Ewan McGregor, and all the action.

-TFA's soundtrack was ok. Rogue One as well. But none of it was as good as the earlier film's. We'll see how TLJ does. I love John Williams, but I don't like his transition to everything sounding like Harry Potter.

The big thing the prequels did (which all other Star Wars movies have done to varying degrees, and TFA feels like it kind of punted on) is world building . They crafted an entirely-original (for the franchise, anyway - I mean, it's classic Greek Tragedy stuff, generally) story and built a great setting for it. They are admirable for the ambition of the story they wanted to tell, if nothing else.

'Rogue One' definitely needed more time with its characters - the prequel book helps a bunch, but really just re-watching it a few times works as well.

As to TFA's soundtrack...it's definitely less memorable than the others. Still, it's been pointed out that "Rey's Theme" is reasonable original and it is catchy (eventually).

I saw TFA one time, when it hit theaters, and have seen it since. So, maybe these opinions wouldn't stand up to repeated viewings, but...

I liked it okay. I thought that the new main characters turned out to be strong enough to stand on their own, particularly because (I thought) the actors in those roles were quite good. And didn't have Lucas directing them (he is talented, but also seems to be adept at getting especially bad performances out of even good actors). In fact, I didn't think it needed to lean so much on the older characters, and I was worried that an attempt to use them would either be too much unneeded shoehorning or splitting the focus of the movie -- but I think it managed a decent balance.

I, too, thought that the New Order was trying too hard. I, too, thought that it seemed to be kinda the point (I hope the filmmakers had this opinion, too). The fact that it's mostly run by kids didn't help (seriously, there were junior officers in the background shots on star destroyers older than Hux). Preserving the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in a new way did make it feel more like the OT than the prequels did, despite the war with the Separatists.

Maybe it's just Stockholm Syndrome setting in, but it was Kylo Ren that really fully flipped my opinion from "some of this is annoying" to "this is compelling and has great potential." Yes, I agree with the criticisms that he comes off as less imposing than Vader -- a wannabe prone to temper tantrums (though I think whininess is a Skywalker trait that seems to have skipped Leia). But IT FITS. His mother is this heroic leader, his father a scoundrel to wasn't there, his uncle the Jedi savior... The only family member not pulling or pushing on him is his badass vilified grandfather. And if everybody hated him, he MUST have been cool... Ben Solo -- once we figure out who he is -- made me think of the kind of kid who, in the wake of a tragic school shooting on the news, decides to emulate that destructive, suicidal behavior for no real reason other than that it seems like a big thing to do. It made my heart break for the heroes of the OT. I felt pity for Ben. He shouldn't be this Sith-hole. It's tragic.

It was brilliant to replace the evil

I understand, more than somewhat, your feelings on where the franchise has gone. As others have said, looking objectively, all the films are lacking in one way or another. The Force Awakens is certainly derivative (I just spent 5 minutes trying to spell this correctly, so also consider that). What I can suggest that I would hope would help you love Star Wars again is... Poe in Black One snap shooting like 5 TIEs in one pass during the (don't get me started on travel and comm times) rescue at the Cantina and the Battle of Scariff. Those two scenes have given Star Wars at least 3 more movies a pass before I get serious about thinking about rage quitting the whole franchise again. (Yes, again. I gave up on Star Wars after 2 You wrong books and something about a moon)

5 minutes ago, Tayloraj100 said:

like seeing Red 5 buy it at Scarrif

The second I heard them say “red 5” i gave myself a little evil smile and thought “ah well, he ded.”

Apologies for having half my response in spoilertext. I always preceed Vader’s paternal status with the word “spoiler” and forgot it would do this. Dunno how to undo it, either...

Oh, and Rebels? I have seen a handfulnof random episodes and liked them enough that I want to watch it. Noting that it brings in some characters from Clone Wars has brought me to start in on that, a bit at a time (I hear it gets better as it goes).

When I was a lad, the Star Wars cartoons we had were pretty terrible, even to me as a kid. These are much better than Droids and Ewoks. Yes, they are still for a younger audience. I’m fine with that.

@Forresto I will be unable to answer that question for a while. I wanted to keep distance from the hype train so I didn't buy a ticket and they are mostly sold out. Plus our family is moving to a new place affter Christmas which takes up all my free time. So I'll watch It in January perhaps.

But at least this topic and the spoilerfee rewievs made me consider to watch it in cinema.

20 hours ago, Bolshevik65 said:

I thought The Force Awakens was a somewhat disappointing re hash of the film my mother took me to see in 1977. Rogue One was better but a bit PC, a Social Justice Warrior fest. I expect the new film will be better than both those.

What I do like about the films is that they bring in new ships to play with that are actually Star Wars compared to obsure ships that appeared once in a comic I have never heard of, a book I have never read or a computer game I have never played. I'm hoping we see some new fighters that will make X Wing worth playing again, as opposed to the Scumwing, power creep, FAQ longer than the rules, looks nice but not much connection to Star Wars monstrosity it has become. Fortunately Armada hasn't gone down that route. Long may it stay so!

Wait ... what ... what new ships? Are you talking abut the TIE-Fighter reskin or the Darker X-Wing?

8 hours ago, Tayloraj100 said:

When I was a lad, the Star Wars cartoons we had were pretty terrible, even to me as a kid. These are much better than Droids and Ewoks. Yes, they are still for a younger audience. I’m fine with that.

Those cartoons were awesome! We got such memorable characters as:

Kybo Ren
Mungo Baobab
Admiral Screed
The Phlogs

May I suggest a romantic evening? Nothing gets the blood flowing like a fancy dinner and a little Barry White. Or If you prefer Isaac Haze that's fine too. Anything that promotes love, down by the fire.

2 minutes ago, Noosh said:

May I suggest a romantic evening? Nothing gets the blood flowing like a fancy dinner and a little Barry White. Or If you prefer Isaac Haze that's fine too. Anything that promotes love, down by the fire.