I expected to see a kill given that we townies have lost three members so far, while the Imperials have just lost their first, and they need to outnumber us to win.
[Mafia] Rebel Runners - Day 1
Right, I get surprise. Not concern.
Who was redirected last night?
Not I.
Guess I should be explicit: I wasn't redirected either.
5 hours ago, Visovics said:Wait, so either follow you, or follow what you say, therefore following you too?
4 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Fair point
so i should advise you to vote for someone who isn't scum? when i've cleary said all game who i think the scum are it would be pointless...
your attempt to put shade on me for it though.... 'interesting', you scummy man
my action was 1 hour late to the deadline as well
5 hours ago, Visovics said:Well, Ebon serves for absolutely nothing if he goes for other people. His best usefulness is verifying people who have already claimed
5 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Fair point
This is what fair point was in reference to.
12 hours ago, Ginkapo said:JJ. Did you run last night?
@JJs Juggernaut I see you have logged on. Answer the question.
3 hours ago, EbonHawk said:
so i should advise you to vote for someone who isn't scum? when i've cleary said all game who i think the scum are it would be pointless...
your attempt to put shade on me for it though.... 'interesting', you scummy man
I’m not trying to put shade on you, I already stated that I strongly believe you are town, I was just pointing that you give the two options, and say that one of them is following you while if anyone follows either of those options then they are following you anyway.
On 20/12/2017 at 10:48 PM, EbonHawk said:so didn't see that... great town! Sorry I was awol had a longer shift at work than I planned to, had dinner and slept was far too late.. but some interesting stuff went down
we went from gink leading, to hanging rajam who was so easily town, and i thought you were confident he'd be the night kill gink? seems him and pod got this going..
by lynching rajam scum have removed the obvious night kill, allowing them a free roam last night..
on rajam was:
ard, gnips, gink, toad, cninja, wig, pod... at least 2 will be scum i reckon and i'd put my money on pod and gink..
wig, ard, and gnips why did you decide to go rajam after voting gink? there was a lot of posts to catch up on to get your reasons fully
Notice how Gink, and Pod used the time i was at work as well, knowing I wouldn't be on to counter them... as they know as you all do I can't be on during that time because of work to defend myself if needed or others like rajam, who how any of you read as scum is a joke, after some iffy early D1 he was brilliant ( @Rajam hope to see you again, enjoyed playing with you!). this is also increased as i'm the main person going after the two of them getting it in while i'm not going to counter makes me think scum more..
I scanned gink again to be sure last night and... and i was redirected again this time onto cninja and i received no result....
2 things are interesting
1) cninja was no result
2) i was redirected again (twice now from gink) which reinforces my read on gink and pod, as it would be wise to redirect me knowing i would scan one of them again....
This was Ebons first post D3
On 20/12/2017 at 10:53 PM, EbonHawk said:also oni just replied to a question i asked, a redirect is chosen by the redirector, which must be scum otherwise why would a town redirect an investigator, but ot doesn't have to be gink as his pod could be the hacker..
scum read intensifies
His second post D3
On 20/12/2017 at 11:00 PM, Ginkapo said:You are still an idiot.
I did not redirect you.
My first post D3
On 20/12/2017 at 11:07 PM, Ginkapo said:Vig or Cop is the obvious scum faction kill.
We had established that this was not the case. Rajam was either a pilot or infiltrator or you were lying.
This means that Rajam was not an obvious faction kill.
This is elememtary.
I actually considered redirecting you for reason one. You are an idiot.
But that would be an incorrect play in my position so I didnt.
Now shut up.and let the adults play. You shall not ruin another day with endless bleating.
My second post D3 in respose to Ebon as I again gave up on ignoring him
On 20/12/2017 at 11:10 PM, EbonHawk said:*earlier in the game gink said i was wrong for exposing rajam and grinded me for it, because it would make him the night kill
** soft claim on a hacker...
***watching him play big boy actually brings a wye smirk to my face and i personally can't wait for him to flip scum
no point mincing my words.
##vote gink
pod you're next
This was Ebons response. The bit bolded has always really bothered me. In his first post he accuses me and pod of being hackers (pretty wierd in hindsight), but then somehow thinks it bad play to admit to being a hacker in my own post. It seemed at the time like he hadnt read my claim D2 and was overexcited to have info about me. Except of course he was clsiming to be redirected.
This whole exchange was beyond wierd. P29.
However there is someone more obvious scum.
On 21/12/2017 at 0:02 PM, Ginkapo said:And if we agree that scum hacked Ebon, then can we also agree that there are two potential reasons.
1) Ebon is reasonably predictable, so one of me, broba, jj, pod or Mr.Toad wanted to protect ourselves. Clearly not Broba though.
2) f***wittery to incriminate me and cast suspicion in my direction. Didnt work if it was this as I saw it a mile off.
And on the basis of this can we narrow the suspects for today down to Me, JJ, Pod and Mr.Toad to make it easier to reach a good conclusion after thorough investigation?Streamline our approaches together as it were.
On 21/12/2017 at 0:04 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Man that's dangerous. . . I more or less agree with you, but dang, if you are scum, you are so nicely protecting your compatriots, and at the same time pointing to your innocence, thereby implicating only the other three.
On 21/12/2017 at 0:16 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Quick question here:
You chose to redirect Ebon, hoping he'd announce his results so you could get a read on him, and you redirected him to Rajam, to get Ebon's read on him , Why then are you annoyed that he did exactly what you hoped? What specifically took it from announcing results (something you expected and sought after) to stupid?
On 21/12/2017 at 0:26 PM, Ginkapo said:I hoped he would. Doesnt mean he isnt really stupid to do it. Just because I played to the contingency of poor play doesnt mean I should celebrate it.
D1 redirect should have been of little to no use whatsoever, surfacing around D3 to help the later game. I didnt say I expected immediate results, just reliably faster than others.
Put someone like Mad in Ebons shoes. He could easily go the whole game without announcing his result because he sees it of no benefit to town and putting a target on his own head to be a hinderance to town.
On 21/12/2017 at 2:04 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Also: Redirecting Ebon is not a specifically scum move. He stated he was not a padawan. Therefore he could be either side. As Gink said, announcing his results Day 2 was, most likely, not a good idea. Therefore, why would somebody trust him? However unlikely it is, it ought to be acknowledged that it is possible that a town hacker redirected Ebon to what the hacker thought was a scummy character (i.e. CNinja).
It is also possible that a town hacker who figured Ebon would check Gink redirected him to get another person's results, rather than learn that Gink is, as he claims, a hacker.
That said, I agree that most likely it was a scum hacker.
On 21/12/2017 at 4:10 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:So your theory is a scum teammate redirected Ebon onto me, and I run, hoping that Ebon scans me?
If Ebon was scum that might make sense, but then no actual stuff would have to happen.
On 21/12/2017 at 4:20 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:It wouldn't make sense if Ebon, you, and a hacker were all scum. Why go through the elaborate charade? It only makes sense assuming Ebon is town.
On 21/12/2017 at 4:31 PM, Madaghmire said:I’m going to look at the fab four Gink outlines and see what kind of case I can make against each.
On 21/12/2017 at 4:49 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Don't forget Gink. He's less of a suspect, but by his own admission, he still is one.
On 21/12/2017 at 5:04 PM, TheToad said:I’m going to just go ahead and call it... Ginks got this one pretty well wrapped up and is going to win... his list of suspects, and more importantly his list of non suspects is flawless... just like his read on Raj. And his masterful play at the end of D1 was such the townie move, generations will look back at that momoment and study its intricacies. The way he paints his enemies and commands his allies is astounding...truly he is the wisest of us all and must be followed without question...
On 21/12/2017 at 5:22 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:You imply we do not doubt him. That is a mistake. We just have time to weight everything.
Also, where is your vote?
On 21/12/2017 at 5:28 PM, TheToad said:Right now it’s on Vis... but you all should do what Gink says and vote for me so he can win
On 21/12/2017 at 5:30 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:I do not suspect you, yet. Though you do seem rather touchy. . .
On 21/12/2017 at 10:38 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Well I am nowhere near convinced, but as Raj was town, I'll resort to my previous read:
##vote Gink
I am not voting either Ebon or Toad at this point. And between Vis and Gink, I am more suspicious of Gink. JJ I have no read on, as yet.
On 21/12/2017 at 10:42 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:In no scenario do you see Ebon as scum?
On 22/12/2017 at 10:14 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Of course there are scenarios where Ebon could be scum. But I find them less likely then other scenarios.
As I said, though, I am not sold on Gink, so if I find good evidence against somebody else, I may yet change my vote. Mad's thing pointed out interesting things about Toad and Gink, but as the main theory is them being together till proven otherwise, I shall keep my vote on Gink. I agree that Pod is not of much help, but I also think that of he and Gink, Gink is the greater threat if scum.
On 22/12/2017 at 11:13 AM, Visovics said:Ok, I'm done with cryptic messages @PodRacer , L-2, claim time, in actual english. Let's see if you can make at least 1 argument that does not lead nowhere and has substance in it.
##vote PodRacer
On 22/12/2017 at 11:40 AM, Visovics said:My point in bold
On phone. This post from Vis is chronologically after GNips below.
On 22/12/2017 at 11:46 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Substantiated and containing substance are different. To be substantiated, his accusation must be supported by evidence. However, for a post to have substance, it must be more than random drivel. A post that contains an accusation contains substance, as it is not random drivel. However, the accusation itself may be unsubstantiated. Therefore, he has posted posts that contain unsubstantiated substance.
On 22/12/2017 at 7:53 AM, Ginkapo said:This is the one for me. Not a single case out of him.
##vote pod
On 22/12/2017 at 1:53 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:That is, as I've said, not true. Furthermore, he was silent but town a couple of times.
Given his recent claim, I am inclined to want him alive, to test his claim tonight.
On 22/12/2017 at 2:20 PM, Madaghmire said:He doesn’t know his own role?
On 22/12/2017 at 2:23 PM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Meh. 1) He could be lying and messed up 2) he could have misread 3) he could have forgotten 4) I could have made a mistake
I mean, Ebon bungled his read, so it's not like there is no precedence. . .
Entire D3 GNips is interesting. P36 GNips is blatant overstretching scum trying to defend Pod.
##vote Gnips.
Incidentally. Take a wild guess who I redirected last night.
Thats a pretty solid case, and it hits on all the points I would have made on Nips except for his reaction to Wiigti’s Wonder-Blunder. Also I’m unsure of Nips voting record. Its still early tho. I want JJ’s answer to Ginks question and I want Gnips’ rebuttal before I place a vote.
I want to write up my own case against JJ, although I gave you guys the cliffnotes already. I also had some thoughts about Ard. But I’m home this week and that actually makes this harder, because I love shirking my job but not my family.
11 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:Who was redirected last night?
I.
6 hours ago, Ginkapo said:Entire D3 GNips is interesting. P36 GNips is blatant overstretching scum trying to defend Pod.
##vote Gnips.
Incidentally. Take a wild guess who I redirected last night.
Man, why am I always misinterpreted? I was not defending Pod, I was pointing out that something Vis said was untrue. If you are going to vote somebody, you might as well do it for valid reasons, no?
As anyone may have noticed over the course of my games, I tend to play devil's advocate, like I did with Wig and Pod. That does not mean I agree necessarily with the position I argue. It only means that I want all decisions to be well thought out and all inconsistencies eradicated. It was relatively obvious that Pod was scum the day he was lynched after he contradicted his claim (I did argue in his defense before that, because I misread his claim and thought he was the vig, as his phrasing implied), but I also was suspicious of Gink, and chose to agree with Ebon, who said kill Gink first, save the obviously scummy Pod for later.
I am still suspicious of Gink, because he exaggerates what I say in quotes. And it has gotten me killed several times, as both town and scum. I mean really, how is pointing out that Pod has actually contributed content, worthless thought it may be as a case, a blatant scum move defending Pod? I am town, I assure you, but shan't claim until absolutely necessary.
6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:I.
Man, why am I always misinterpreted? I was not defending Pod, I was pointing out that something Vis said was untrue. If you are going to vote somebody, you might as well do it for valid reasons, no?
As anyone may have noticed over the course of my games, I tend to play devil's advocate, like I did with Wig and Pod. That does not mean I agree necessarily with the position I argue. It only means that I want all decisions to be well thought out and all inconsistencies eradicated. It was relatively obvious that Pod was scum the day he was lynched after he contradicted his claim (I did argue in his defense before that, because I misread his claim and thought he was the vig, as his phrasing implied), but I also was suspicious of Gink, and chose to agree with Ebon, who said kill Gink first, save the obviously scummy Pod for later.
I am still suspicious of Gink, because he exaggerates what I say in quotes. And it has gotten me killed several times, as both town and scum. I mean really, how is pointing out that Pod has actually contributed content, worthless thought it may be as a case, a blatant scum move defending Pod? I am town, I assure you, but shan't claim until absolutely necessary.
What I find extremelly curious is that you switched so dramatically at the point when it became clear than people were turning strongly against Pod, and I mean when people were turning, and not when it was blatantly obvious that Pod was lying out of his ****.
However, I am not taking anything out of context or misinterpreting, as I have just posted your entire D3 conversation without commentary. Its mostly on page 36 if people want to read it "in context".
I kind of get the many arguments that I drag things out of context, but this is literally the furthest from that. I posted every single one of your posts and every single one of the posts you were responding to. I dragged all the context through and offered basically no interpretation, hence no misintepretation.
The misinterpretation your crave:
You argued in Pods defence before his claim. You argued against my logic, you argued against trusting me, you argued against reducing it to a 4 way battle, you suggested lynching me or Toad anyway, all before Pod claimed stupidly. Then once he claimed you still defended him until it was clear that that position was untenable.
And seriously, no argument that starts with, " I chose to agree with Ebon " should be believed in this game.
So for these reasons, I rate your defence 2/10.
10 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:What I find extremelly curious is that you switched so dramatically at the point when it became clear than people were turning strongly against Pod, and I mean when people were turning, and not when it was blatantly obvious that Pod was lying out of his ****.
However, I am not taking anything out of context or misinterpreting, as I have just posted your entire D3 conversation without commentary. Its mostly on page 36 if people want to read it "in context".
I kind of get the many arguments that I drag things out of context, but this is literally the furthest from that. I posted every single one of your posts and every single one of the posts you were responding to. I dragged all the context through and offered basically no interpretation, hence no misintepretation.
The misinterpretation your crave:
You argued in Pods defence before his claim. You argued against my logic, you argued against trusting me, you argued against reducing it to a 4 way battle, you suggested lynching me or Toad anyway, all before Pod claimed stupidly. Then once he claimed you still defended him until it was clear that that position was untenable.And seriously, no argument that starts with, " I chose to agree with Ebon " should be believed in this game.
So for these reasons, I rate your defence 2/10.
Fair enough. The misinterpretation was that you thought I was defending Pod with any conviction. I was merely pointing something out. I also was largely absent during the last stags of the Pod lynch.
Anyways, all this is to say that I am not scum, though I would obviously say that, and that I still distrust Gink. I still disagree with your logic to some extent, and all the arguments I make I make knowing that something may very well change that causes me to contradict them as my opinions change.
And why shan't the argument be believable? Because it is too ridiculous? Why? I disagree that that is a terrible argument. The truth can never be such. Thus, I also think your rating is 1) biased 2) skewed 3) pointless in anything other than influencing others' opinion. I rate your rating as 1/10.
(Please don't get offended, I am joking about the rating).
Checking in. Catching up on posts.
2 hours ago, WigTii said:Checking in. Catching up on posts.
Are these ever followed by actual content?
Hint: I checked your posting history before posting this.
I’m really curious as to what Nippy was up to at night... Gink claims to have redirected Nippy and there was no kill at night...
9 minutes ago, TheToad said:I’m really curious as to what Nippy was up to at night... Gink claims to have redirected Nippy and there was no kill at night...
Not taking a shot, as that is your implied worry.
Doubtless, Gink thinks (if he is town) or is implying (if he is scum) that his redirect is what prevented the night kill, because JJ probably ran (did you? That would clear me), and I was redirected. However, I can assure you that my action does not result in a nightkill. The case is rather flimsy, hence my deepening suspicion of Gink.
If he is scum, if would be quite a good plan. Don't perform a nightkill, redirect somebody, accuse them. If that person is lynched and flips town, 'no biggie, guess I was wrong.' If he flips scum, 'see? I told you. Clearly I am town.' Though I have to assume that the latter is unlikely, since why would you redirect a fellow scum, and point it out? Ultimately, as I am already suspicious of Gink, I think I am being framed. If he turns out to be town, then I have to assume it was merely bad luck.
I am going to be unavailable until about 4 PM GMT from now unless I get lucky, so any further questions will have a delayed answer. . .
That only leaves me about 2 hours before the deadline though. . . I guess all I can do is not to lynch me before I put in a claim, should that be necessary. I don't want to do it now, as that's just giving too much to scum for too little.
Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:I guess all I can do is ask you all not to lynch me before I put in a claim, should that be necessary.
Sorry. Typing quickly as I have to go.
@Onidsen Vote Count and Player tag please?
Activity is quite frankly appalling from almost all.
On 12/26/2017 at 11:58 AM, Onidsen said:
10 Players, 6 to Hammer:
@GhostofNobodyInParticular - (1) Ginkapo
@TheToad -
@Ginkapo - (1) EbonHawk
@WigTii -
29 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:@Onidsen Vote Count and Player tag please?
Activity is quite frankly appalling from almost all.
Sorry I know I’m slacking but as I said I’m pretty bogged down until the baby hits the bed. And then I’m pretty wiped. I cant wait to go back to work so I can relax.
On 22/12/2017 at 5:28 PM, PodRacer said:Likely Im dead, And I cant argue.
You will Lol when you see who my buddies are =)
GG peeps
I got shiiiit to do
Trap? Or actual hint?