1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:I think he’s giving us an evolving view of the game as it goes. Lets watch.
I agree. For clarity, not looking for a response to that from Gink, just posting additional considerations.
I may not be able to hang around till the actual deadline, so gotta get my contribution in while I can. 
22 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:Right now I see Gink and Ninja as a bloc, probably tied in to Vis.
I'm surprised by this, as I'd gladly change my vote to either.
1 hour ago, Onidsen said:
If I'm not mistaken, this is where we stand right now. Not pretty. My vote is based on a relatively minor gut feeling, and I'm willing to pile on with a reasonable bandwagon if it happens soon.
And I won't follow a Mad-led wagon on Pod just because I know he'd kill him regardless of either's factions...
oh ****
We seriously have 5 people with 2 votes.
Operation Fuckery continues.
How in the sam fuckery does @PodRacernot have a vote in?
On 16/12/2017 at 3:32 PM, Rajam said:On 14/12/2017 at 10:12 PM, EbonHawk said:On 14/12/2017 at 10:08 PM, Visovics said:Interesting how you don't expect people to claim town in a semi-open setup of 2 factions, one of which is scum. In fact not even claiming, people are assuming you'd know the obvious, that no one would claim scum
Chill the bean vis, just continuing the thread on Freudian slips... didn't accuse him of being scum did i
On 14/12/2017 at 10:13 PM, EbonHawk said:2nd game you two have jumped me D1 for nothing... just sayin
The second quote came only after 1 minute later. In that second quote he seems to get more annoyed for what he considers unjustified pressure. It's a town reaction. When called guilty, town and scum react differently: town feels upset at first, then starts to get more annoyed and worried over time; scum overreacts at first, then tries to calm himself upon time.
Ebon doesnt seem at all annoyed in the second post. If anything this is more of a scum response based on your definition, over reaction followed by calmness. Is it an attempt to get a shoe to fit that you know should?
On 16/12/2017 at 6:57 PM, Madaghmire said:So, what did toad do that was scummy? Percieved incorrect pronoun usage? Did he do anything that actually merits a vote?
The most reasonable vote I think I saw was Toads vote on Vis, for pushing a weak train. But theres no other votes there and we are low on time.
I’m going to
##unvote ginkapo
and
##vote visovics
for now. I like Rojam’s list, as his reasoning is mostly sound, although I could nitpick a few things but its D1 so a fair degree of intuition and guesswork is to be expected. But I don’t get why he, or for that matter all these other folks, are looking to nail toad to the wall, for using a phrase like “the town” instead of “us”. Am I missing something here? But I feel like this is a thing we’ve done to toad before, and we lost his town aligned services for it.
I’m not at all sold on Ebon as scum right now. Feels similar to last game and I was completely wrong about him.
Alright so Mad is probably not in cahoots with Vis.
On 16/12/2017 at 8:37 PM, Madaghmire said:Do we even have enough online right now to swing a vote? A no vote is no good. Gink, Pod, as you guys are actually online whats your read on vis? Is this a path we can walk down?
Alright, Mad is definitely not in cahoots with Vis.
On 16/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, PodRacer said:##unvote ting
Mans back from dinner
'interesting' set of wagons here.
Agree with Ebon re JJ, but also With JJ re ebon. Mans melon is twisted n ting. This space is watcheded and that.
Not sure About Voting Vis Today, but will do what i can to avoid what looks like an inevitable no lych.
Toadman Dont have his Scum reads goin (not that L-5 counts as pressure really!)
Whos online?
Sound off Fam.
Why does Pod, Mad and Mr.Toad not get bundled into the ball of the three amigos who screwed up D1? They were all present at the end and did nothing.
Interestingly, at deadline Ebon should have been lynched based on timestamp.
1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:Ok. That is too close.
I’m willing to hang Pod or Toad. Pod for the reasons I’ve already elucidated, Toad for his assault on Wiigti. We also get some insight into that fued with Visovics.
Of the two, I think that Toad is probably the safer bet, but I dont want to swap votes with the counts as they are.
oh pls help me with Toad
The dream is still possible
Right, here now. I'll be around until the deadline.
I'm leaning towards lynching Pod, Toad or Gink. All have enough reason to get my vote. Pod for being utterly worthless again, I thought we were finally past his nonsensical stage. Toad still insists on ebon's play being brilliant scum, which to be seems highly unlikely. Many of his arguments have felt forced. Ninja is coming to his defense, and thinks its suspicious that I don't think ebon is scum. That and the reasons I outlined in my last post put him up there as a potential scum with Toad. Gink i'm a little torn on. His play is very hard to read, his indignation comes off town. I'm still troubled by that quote from him. He casually sweeps it under the rug, then still says he is fine with ebon dying. How is that not suspicious to anyone else??
##vote Ginkapo
1 minute ago, Rajam said:oh pls help me with Toad
The dream is still possible
If you feel like toad is a better target than gink, I will swap over.
My Raj sense is strengthening. Problem is, I don't see any strong ties to him, so even if we were to lynch him and he flipped scum, it wouldn't mean an instant reveal of much else.
The vey fact that Gink is doing this read through helps clear him in my sense. Would be a pretty slick scum move if so.
Jk, there's JJ with a possible tie to Raj, and an anti-tie to Gink, all in the time it took me to type up thatI had nothing on him.
Well, time will tell. I'm feeling good about my Raj vote now.
7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:Why does Pod, Mad and Mr.Toad not get bundled into the ball of the three amigos who screwed up D1? They were all present at the end and did nothing.
Interestingly, at deadline Ebon should have been lynched based on timestamp.
Which would put those three potentially opposed to Ebon. I don't feel really solid on that connection, but it's at least reasonably good evidence that none of those three are scum if Ebon is.
Why do you have a sense about raj? His play has felt like the strongest town play all game? You on the other hand seem rather willing to bandwagon, saying you don't have many reads of your own...
11 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:
Ebon doesnt seem at all annoyed in the second post. If anything this is more of a scum response based on your definition, over reaction followed by calmness. Is it an attempt to get a shoe to fit that you know should?
Alright so Mad is probably not in cahoots with Vis.
Alright, Mad is definitely not in cahoots with Vis.
Why does Pod, Mad and Mr.Toad not get bundled into the ball of the three amigos who screwed up D1? They were all present at the end and did nothing.
Interestingly, at deadline Ebon should have been lynched based on timestamp.
I was not present at the end. When I left it was 4-3 (I believe) Ebon-Vis. My daughter woke up and I had to attend her.
current vote by my count:
Raj: Ard, Gnips
Gink: Ebon, Wig, JJ
Ebon: ninja, gink
Toad: Raj, vis
Pod: Mad
1 minute ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Why do you have a sense about raj? His play has felt like the strongest town play all game? You on the other hand seem rather willing to bandwagon, saying you don't have many reads of your own...
With starting a wagon on a zero-vote target two hours before deadline, and posting the issue with the five way tie right after?
I disagree on his townness, for the reasons posted above by me and then subsequently in Gink's overall analysis.
Only an hour left, we need to get a majority soon!!
16 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Seriously? Why? You say that, then give no reasoning whatsoever!! It makes no sense, especially when you admit I had good reason to be busy yesterday, at least I put my vote out there, why don't you take a harder look at those who didn't, or those who ****** us with the no vote!?!? I've had enough pointless hostility toward me in these mafia games, it's why I took a 3-4 game break. I'm sick of it!!
##vote Rajam
3 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:Why do you have a sense about raj? His play has felt like the strongest town play all game?
So which is it?
Where is your vote, @Madaghmire
10 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:If you feel like toad is a better target than gink, I will swap over.
10x times better
Currently its on Pod.
Nvm, found it.
Phone dying, sticking with Raj. Hope I can get back by hammer... >.>
I want to see the end of Ginks analysis.
