Ok. That is too close.
I’m willing to hang Pod or Toad. Pod for the reasons I’ve already elucidated, Toad for his assault on Wiigti. We also get some insight into that fued with Visovics.
Of the two, I think that Toad is probably the safer bet, but I dont want to swap votes with the counts as they are.
16 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Although I’m now reading Toad’s reaction to the Wiigti thing, and its pretty much how I’d feel right now if I were a scum player watching a townie fail his way into glory.
As a town player I’m pissed that we are making dangerous assumptions. Wig asks a question, the mod answers it and bam he’s automatically Town and anybody who questions it is scum. Ebon has royally ****** things up and we are giving him a pass... seriously his double reveal was such a **** town play... and is the perfect scum play.
##unvote...
and for the love of god please vote me... two reasons I’m heading out of town in a few days so will be useless... and I’m done watching this boat sink
It’s apparent to me that I am so off base that all I’m doing is getting in the way of the superfriends. You guys got this one locked up alright so I’m just going to sit back and let you all do your thing
30 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:ugh no editing sucks.
Scum know there is a nightkill. Oni posted to clarify this was the case. If Oni was being asked by a scum why would he feel the need to actually clarify? Thus, verified. It's backhanded and as said it only works once, but I follow the logic and agree it is sound.
What are you talking about? If not for anything else, by the very fact that his silence would reveal the alignment, he would speak. Just like when Mad asked in my game if the scum have day chat, whilst being scum. You have to answer these things, in as neutral a way as possible, to give nothing away for one alignment or the other, by either your action or inaction. Therefore, Oni clarifying it was the neutral thing to do, and you cannot take that as an implied clearing.
33 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Not at all. You’ll notice I didn’t vote for Ginkapo, who is his “strongest” read. But since I don’t like either the Gink or Toad bandwagons, and the Vis vote not only lost its most ardent supporter but my own confidence as well (reasoning stated previously), I need somewhere I’m comfortable putting my vote. And you are it. We’ll get some insight into a few players who have been pushing you, and you haven’t contributed much. I’m also, as stated, putting a lot of stock in Ebons “I know him, he’s my friend, and this is how he is” line of thought. Also, I am tired of reading posts like this.
I’ve gone on at length about yesterdays vote.
You realize Ebon could be lying about Pod's character, right? Just like he tried by claiming a wacky role that first game.
God bless you Nippy...
Oh we have 2 hours left, I thought it was 5 minutes. I was about to just start spamming on read through to make sure I comment before day end.
I shall instead leisurely read through over the next half hour or so.
And Yes CNinj, that was a sod it I vote with no substance. I am happy with Ebon dying regardless of alignment. I will revote in a bit.
6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:You realize Ebon could be lying about Pod's character, right? Just like he tried by claiming a wacky role that first game.
Of course I do. I’m betting he’s not. I might be wrong. I just don’t think I am.
I am getting less suspicious of Gink as I am of other players, Mad and Rajam in particular. They seem to be making dangerous assumptions and attacking those who question them. Other issues are the votes on Pod. When you include his writing style as cause for a vote, I think you are grasping at straws. He has, at the very least, contributed his read of Ebon. I do not like the group that seems to have formed around the latter. I am unaware if he is consciously organizing it, or if he happens to have unwittingly become a mascot. Whatever the case may be, I do not like it, especially given the expressed views of some of its members.
I would therefore like to vote Mad or Rajam. But would anybody take me up on it so close to time?
For what it is worth, Toad and Pod seem the most town of the 4 currently being voted for.
2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:I am getting less suspicious of Gink as I am of other players, Mad and Rajam in particular. They seem to be making dangerous assumptions and attacking those who question them. Other issues are the votes on Pod. When you include his writing style as cause for a vote, I think you are grasping at straws. He has, at the very least, contributed his read of Ebon. I do not like the group that seems to have formed around the latter. I am unaware if he is consciously organizing it, or if he happens to have unwittingly become a mascot. Whatever the case may be, I do not like it, especially given the expressed views of some of its members.
I would therefore like to vote Mad or Rajam. But would anybody take me up on it so close to time?
For what it is worth, Toad and Pod seem the most town of the 4 currently being voted for.
Wait, woah woah woah. I haven’t attacked anyone for disagreeing with me. That is a blatant mischaracterization of my actions.
And if you can find me a single player to vote for that doesn’t require me to make any assumptions, I’m happy to do so.
Okay, I have enough doubt of Gink's guilt now that I'm willing to switch to Ebon. With the caveat that if he flips town, Ninja and Gink are both very strongly implicated, having been both involved on Op Fuckery and now both having votes on Ebon.
In the interim, I'm dropping my vote on Gink. I want to point out that this has the unfortunate effect of tying it up, so we need to get to a consensus quick fast.
##unvote Ginkapo
1 minute ago, Ardaedhel said:Okay, I have enough doubt of Gink's guilt now that I'm willing to switch to Ebon. With the caveat that if he flips town, Ninja and Gink are both very strongly implicated, having been both involved on Op Fuckery and now both having votes on Ebon.
In the interim, I'm dropping my vote on Gink. I want to point out that this has the unfortunate effect of tying it up, so we need to get to a consensus quick fast.
##unvote Ginkapo
How do you feel about myself, Raj, Pod and Toad?
Btw @JJs Juggernaut we’d love to see a vote.
7 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Wait, woah woah woah. I haven’t attacked anyone for disagreeing with me. That is a blatant mischaracterization of my actions.
And if you can find me a single player to vote for that doesn’t require me to make any assumptions, I’m happy to do so.
The assumptions I refer to are more like the Oni/WigTii thing, and the attacks are like the bold, below:
37 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Ok. That is too close.
I’m willing to hang Pod or Toad. Pod for the reasons I’ve already elucidated, Toad for his assault on Wiigti. We also get some insight into that fued with Visovics.
Of the two, I think that Toad is probably the safer bet, but I dont want to swap votes with the counts as they are.
A willingness to vote Toad because he pointed out a flaw in the assumption that WigTii was clear.
Right now I see Gink and Ninja as a bloc, probably tied in to Vis.
Raj and Toad are opposed.
I can never get a read on pod at all.
Nips is defending Ebon.
I THINK Ebon is opposed to the Ninja bloc, but that could easily be a ruse.
I have a bad feeling about Raj for the reasons I pointed out above, which puts Toad on the town side by like 10% likelihood by anti-association.
I'm not seeing a connection between the Ninja bloc and the Toad/Raj feud.
I'm leaning Raj atm. So, for now, soft ##vote Raj.
3 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:I'm leaning Raj atm. So, for now, soft ##vote Raj.
That's ##vote @Rajam
1 minute ago, Ardaedhel said:Right now I see Gink and Ninja as a bloc, probably tied in to Vis.
Raj and Toad are opposed.
I can never get a read on pod at all.
Nips is defending Ebon.
I THINK Ebon is opposed to the Ninja bloc, but that could easily be a ruse.
I have a bad feeling about Raj for the reasons I pointed out above, which puts Toad on the town side by like 10% likelihood by anti-association.
I'm not seeing a connection between the Ninja bloc and the Toad/Raj feud.
I'm leaning Raj atm. So, for now, soft ##vote Raj.
How am I defending Ebon? I am not taking him at his word, and do not like the Ebon/Raj/Mad bloc that has formed. I think his move was ill-thought out, even before it became obvious he had misunderstood everything.
I see the blocs as:
Gink/CNinja (though loosely)
Mad/Ebon/Raj - very obviously aligned, but I do not know if one or two is/are playing the other(s).
And the opposites as:
Raj/Vis v Toad
Pod v Ebon
I shall go along with you and
##unvote
##vote Rajam
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On 14/12/2017 at 10:21 PM, Madaghmire said:On 14/12/2017 at 10:18 PM, Ginkapo said:Ebon. Consider timestamps.
One of me and Toad posted quickly without pause for thought.
One of us uncounciously sided with town and one of us did not.
The evidence is all there. If I didnt have a track record of being silvertongued this would be sufficient to clear me.
You are far too well versed in this game to be cleared by pronoun use. I did enjoy the silvertongue joke tho.
Mad has spent time making sure everyone knows that nothing I say can be trusted, which given I had already said that was completely superfluous. He also defends Vis in a few places which is a bit wierd. Beyond that he seems to only be facilitating discussion rather than adding his own opinion to it. Very fishy.
On 15/12/2017 at 3:42 PM, Madaghmire said:Actually a lot of people were suspicious of vis, and if Pod had been playing a more comventional game that hadn’t distracted the town at the time, maybe Vis would have been prioritized higher as a lynch target.
That said, the point you are making regarding this game and how to view pods actions through what I shall be referring to as “Podnoculars” stands. Consider the source.
On 14/12/2017 at 10:59 PM, TheToad said:Remember you’re talking to a guy who refers to himself as TheToad... nice try there Gink but calling my statement a Freudian slip is using that term very loosely, Pod wasn’t speaking to one person, but to all of us... hence “the town”
So the infamous post. Which is seems to be complete BS when he first posted it. "TheToad"
On 14/12/2017 at 11:20 PM, TheToad said:Sorry Gink, gotta pay my bills.
Not long after. Gotta pay "MY" bills.
On 15/12/2017 at 9:36 PM, TheToad said:Hey guys, Mr. Toad has collected himself after venting on the TLJ spoilers page... now back to Mafia.
I think Gink was just giving me a hard time for the Freudian thing. I do however find the new guys reaction to it interesting.
Crap, get in character, "Mr. Toad"
On 15/12/2017 at 0:56 AM, TheToad said:Everybody got beef with Mr. Toad... it ain’t easy being green
Ah, I see a trend "Mr. Toad"
On 16/12/2017 at 2:46 PM, TheToad said:Thanks for the vote Vis. Now I know where mines going.
##Vote Visovics
I give Gink the pass cause he’s just being Gink... as I’ve already explained that him calling what I said a Freudian slip was a stretch. Gink likes to take jabs at people.
Rajam also gets a pass because he’s just trying to shake things up with his particular play style. Trying to team up with Gink is a solid play.
But you Vis... trying to give strength to a weak argument and get a lynch train rolling... that earns my vote
And then having a go at Vis for acknowledging the stupidity of it all. Ooh look, lots of "I"'s.
So firstly, its not "TheToad" when you are being purposely 3rd person its "Mr. Toad", and secondly, when you post of the cuff you dont use 3rd person at all. The initial freudian slip was nothing really, I am more interested in why you went to such trouble to cover it up? Why go after the one person who wanted to push it more? What are you concerned about? This whole post seems defensive rather than constructive.
On 14/12/2017 at 11:32 PM, Rajam said:honestly we should lynch that guy asap. Why give scum the chance to slip away? I swear if we let him talk his way out we'll run the risk of lynching someone else
Why did you 100% believe CNinj to be scum after 1 post. It still makes little sense.
On 16/12/2017 at 1:34 AM, Rajam said:Of course I had! Been playing Mafia since 2010. I've played like... 40 games maybe? Honestly I lost the count a long time ago. I've modded plenty of games too. I'm definitely NOT pulling the newbie card, so let's leave that issue out of the way.
So are you a fool who cannot read basic role descriptions, or have you been playing for almost a decade and would not make such a basic mistake? Which is it?
On 14/12/2017 at 11:34 PM, Visovics said:Really? I’d have guessed at 4 since even vanillas can avoid all actions for 1 night of choosing on them
Vis, why are did you make a blatantly incorrect guess at the make up of this game? Do you want everyone to believe that you dont know the setup at all? Becuase if they thought you knew they might figure out you are scum.
Mad and Vis seem to be a pair.
Mr.Toad is in a seperate group, potentially with Rajam.
And onwards to page 10 I go.
Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:The assumptions I refer to are more like the Oni/WigTii thing, and the attacks are like the bold, below:
A willingness to vote Toad because he pointed out a flaw in the assumption that WigTii was clear.
I’ve spent two days working off a read that toad was town, right up until that post. My read on Wiigti is that was a stupid, but honest, mistake. And I think scum have a lot to gain from pushing against it.
Ah, yes, mis-read. Nips defending Toad, which fits nicely with his follow on Raj here. Updated:
7 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:Right now I see Gink and Ninja as a bloc, probably tied in to Vis.
Raj and Toad are opposed.
I can never get a read on pod at all.
Nips is defending Toad.
I THINK Ebon is opposed to the Ninja bloc, but that could easily be a ruse.
I have a bad feeling about Raj for the reasons I pointed out above, which puts Toad+Nips on the town side by like 10% likelihood by anti-association.
1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:I’ve spent two days working off a read that toad was town, right up until that post. My read on Wiigti is that was a stupid, but honest, mistake. And I think scum have a lot to gain from pushing against it.
OK. But he wasn't 'attacking' Wig, he was pointing out a fallacy in reasoning.
Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:OK. But he wasn't 'attacking' Wig, he was pointing out a fallacy in reasoning.
It amounts to the same thing. Either you think thats a mistake, or you think its deliberately misleading. Theres no middle ground here.
7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:Mr.Toad is in a seperate group, potentially with Rajam.
I would be surprised if that were the case, with Raj cold summoning quiet players earlier today to try and rally votes against Toad.
Just now, Ardaedhel said:I would be surprised if that were the case, with Raj cold summoning quiet players earlier today to try and rally votes against Toad.
I think he’s giving us an evolving view of the game as it goes. Lets watch.
Or as it went, I guess, is the proper tense, considering he’s on page 10.