I can be wrong about you

as mentioned gink and pod are my strongest reads of all, the others are soft with yours being the least soft

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

fair enough some may see my claim as scum, but I'm trying to help town and imo gink and pod especially ring scum...

What about pods current play of nothing?

I agree about Gink, but Pod, really, hasn't actually given much insight to the game. He is in fact playing very much like his first game. He does not ring as scum though.

So, I'm working on getting caught up--I've done a quick readthrough, but not in-depth yet. But in the mean time, I'm still hung up on that charlie foxtrot in the vote yesterday, so I did a little analysis. A little bit of data I came up with, that I'm still trying to make sense of:

13 vote/unvote posts between 11:58 and 12:00. 7 were @Ginkapo.

@EbonHawk was in the lead the whole time from the time Gink/CN kicked off the clownshow until Gink's tying vote at the very end.

Every time @CaribbeanNinja voted, it immediately offset someone else's vote.

Still looking, but here's my chart if anybody else wants to have a look:

I'm not sure what to make of this yet, have to give it a think-through...

Sure. I just have no idea how you could consider me confirmed scum after 1-2 posts...that make no sense to me unless you know I'm town and are scum yourself. If you know how I play you can understand that. I don't consider something certain unless it is.

Hmm... chart didn't paste.

Goddammit. This is why I have to use Imgur... >.>

Ohhhh charts...

2 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Goddammit. This is why I have to use Imgur... >.>

With 2 minutes left I did not have the benefit of a chart.

Sigh. I'll stick with my other read then:

##unvote

##vote Gink

Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:

With 2 minutes left I did not have the benefit of a chart.

True enough, but it's also much easier to just watch for vote posts and then counter-vote than it is to identify somebody doing that.

If you have a reason to be doing that. Which, I'm not necessarily saying you did... Identifying trends is a starting point, not a conclusion.

Well @EbonHawk, I have to say that after seeing how badly you had misunderstood this and after laughing a bit more than I should on how convinced you seemed, I think you were genuinely lost...

##unvote EbonHawk

When you said green role the real possible options were Zealot and Padawan, which is why it seemed horrendous to just reveal like that. Claiming D2 is still bad tho, still a stupid play, but not reading real scum out of you rn

18 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

So, I'm working on getting caught up--I've done a quick readthrough, but not in-depth yet. But in the mean time, I'm still hung up on that charlie foxtrot in the vote yesterday, so I did a little analysis. A little bit of data I came up with, that I'm still trying to make sense of:

13 vote/unvote posts between 11:58 and 12:00. 7 were @Ginkapo.

@EbonHawk was in the lead the whole time from the time Gink/CN kicked off the clownshow until Gink's tying vote at the very end.

Every time @CaribbeanNinja voted, it immediately offset someone else's vote.

Still looking, but here's my chart if anybody else wants to have a look:

I'm not sure what to make of this yet, have to give it a think-through...

Cninja trying to avoid a no lynch and gink acting town trying to do the same but instead just reacting to everyone else to create the confusion

20 minutes ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

Sure. I just have no idea how you could consider me confirmed scum after 1-2 posts...that make no sense to me unless you know I'm town and are scum yourself. If you know how I play you can understand that. I don't consider something certain unless it is.

You're no where near confirmed scum like gink and pod, but of my soft reads as said, you the top of them because you do have a history of playing historically

YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON.

WHAT THE ACTUAL BLEEDING H3LL WERE YOU THINKING.

more once I calm down

So, Gink is very hesitant in his voting. It looks very much like he's trying to an exact ratio of votes somewhere. I can buy that he wasn't expecting the initial immediate counter-vote from CN... except, CN had just basically announced his intention to vote for Ebon here:

On 12/16/2017 at 11:58 AM, CaribbeanNinja said:

And I'm actually good with the contender for the reasons above.

So it's conceivable Gink is trying to cancel that vote and introduce confusion at the eleventh hour--which did happen, whether it was his goal or not. The relative timestamps are virtually identical.

This assumes a really quick tactical decision by hypothetically-scum Gink, though. In the space of <60sec after the above quote by CN, Gink would've had to do an awful lot of analysis and decide it was worth making a lot of noise in the voting to do... I'm not sure what. Prevent the lynch on Ebon is the only thing I can see. But, he also clearly doesn't want Vis to be actually lynched, as evidenced by his series of +1/-1 votes for Vis.

This is super weird:

On 12/16/2017 at 11:59 AM, Ginkapo said:

I am staying quiet now

Oh

On 12/16/2017 at 0:00 PM, Ginkapo said:

##vote vis

jk

On 12/16/2017 at 0:00 PM, Ginkapo said:

##vote vis

no

On 12/16/2017 at 0:00 PM, Ginkapo said:

##vote vis

I'm

On 12/16/2017 at 0:01 PM, Ginkapo said:

##unvote

not.

On 12/16/2017 at 0:03 PM, Ginkapo said:

#vote vis

Guys....

My first-blush assessment: @Ginkapo trying really hard to not look like he's trying to keep both @Visovics and Ebon alive. Now, whether that jives with the rest of the thread, I'm not sure. I'll have to look at it a little more closely. Not sure if I'll get time to do that this afternoon, but anybody else is welcome to debunk this.

While I think we could get more information by pressuring @ebon hawk, it looks like I was too slow for that train, so since I am moderately confident that Gink is up to shenanigans, I'll go ahead and stick a

##vote @Ginkapo

7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON.

WHAT THE ACTUAL BLEEDING H3LL WERE YOU THINKING.

more once I calm down

Giving the crowd what they want and expect..

in your words from D1 it's been 5 minutes since your post, make your move. (As he told toad)

i mean I'm thinking you're scum and we've covered what I was thinking about the setup post, nothing correct apparently

more once he figures out what to do

On 12/16/2017 at 4:04 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

I also just returned from a darkened theater. Just a reminder I will be absent all day tomorrow due to being at a family reunion with no cell signal. Since that could leave me gone at the end of the day I will put a vote in now.

##vote Ebon Hawk

I don’t feel confident enough about potential reads on Rajam anyone else for that matter. While Rajam’s play has me concerned, it came off right away as an experienced player trying to push hard day 1, his vote suggestion is still giving me pause though.

The reason why I’m voting for ebon. Much of his early conversation felt odd to me, like it was slightly forced. The slight weak rolefishing also influenced me. I’m not really sold on this one, but it’s the best guy feeling I have day 1.

On 12/16/2017 at 1:18 PM, EbonHawk said:

You love putting votes without much on me, your play strikes me like my first game when I died N1 due to you and pod and you voted me with some weak sauce arguments....

dont know about pod yet but reckon this is more than de ja vu so ##vote JJ

I'm rereading stuff from D1. Found this:

JJs is being wishy-washy here, specially regarding my slot. He also uses a lot of extra adjectives in a way that feels overly cautious; for example, he could've just said "The rolefishing also influenced me", or even "the slight rolefishing also influenced me", but he goes with both the adjectives slight and weak. He also does it in the "like it was slightly forced" part. It shows fear to take a harder stance. What bothers me the most though, is that he just left this single post and disappeared. No questions to anyone. Single post with weak content and leaves. Definitely scum.

Regarding Hawk, the second quote is another post which reinforces my town read on him: He fears a situation from a past game might repeat, and shows he's learning from that. Town tell.

I'll start where I left off.

9 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Gink, I think he knows that, or at least is operating as one should, because he’s not accepting that as towniness on its face, which you shouldn’t with an investigator result.

@Ginkapo: Mad's reading of me is correct. I was addressing Ebon's claimed role, not the result of his scan. Ebon claimed a role that can be used by either faction which opens up the possibility that Ebon could be town or he could be scum. I can't accept what he says about his scan as completely true since the possibility of Ebon being scum implies potential deception.

Ebon has since added additional details to his claim, most notably his paraphrased full claim at Rajam's request. There has also been discussion regarding his understanding of roles and what can be claimed by either faction. I still cannot accept Ebon's claim as truthful, nor can I accept it as completely false. What is factual and can't be argued is Ebon's outing of Rajam, and only time will tell what will come of it.

I was thinking of casting a vote for Ebon while I was working this afternoon and I'm still considering it. But, I'm also considering some of the discussion that has taken place about the voting confusion that occurred yesterday. I need to reread some posts before I present my opinion on that subject.

4 hours ago, WigTii said:

Checking in. Catching up on posts. I'll comment further if I have time, otherwise it will have to wait until I'm done at work.

Good job sir, Are you going to play or just mention that you exist.

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

I mean I never said you'd kill me, and no you wouldn't. You're far far too expeinaced in mafia to kill Rajam you would never be so obvious in that, jsut like killing me.

and scumarining doesn't mean not posting my friend, it means posting to play undercover scum... which you've been doing sublimely all game.

No, Scumarining is the act of scum going silent for long periods whilst they let town lynch each other. For a good example look above.

2 hours ago, Rajam said:

Ginkapo why was my night action relevant to you? Why the urge to reveal what I did?

Because Ebon confirmed you as either a goddamn cop or vig, AND YOU SAY SWEET FA. You either have an actual faction check to confirm or are a vig. If a vig then your best move is to claim so scum get the awkward choice of whether to kill you or not given you are just as dangerous to town. There is nothing worse for scum than a confirmed town vig who they cant read the intentions of.

*But of course you arent either of these are you. SO WHY HAVE YOU STAYED SILENT? You didnt think it strange that Ebon was stating you to be a cop or vig? You were comfortable with that?

1 hour ago, Rajam said:

Bad =/= scum

This is scum disguising a vote behind OMGUS/emotional reaction

More votes on Visovics pls

##request votecount

Why are you concerned so much about people digging into Ebon's story?

56 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

I'm trying to coordinate town where we have numbers, and we know from the setup we will have 2-3 min investigative roles.

You really are an idiot. We know nothing of the sort.

48 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

Also can I reveal something to town, I confirmed rajam because I know for 100% he can survive tonight boooiom

So here is your most ludicrous post, but at least it clears up this mess. You are actually just an idiot.

##unvote

26 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Ok. So;

1. Vanilla in this instance could mean Vanilla town, or Goon. It just means its the base role per faction. If it were only town, Oni would have marked it in green. Moreover, he specifically says any of the black roles can be either faction.

2. Infiltrator, when scanned by you, will show pilot. So even IF you were right about pilot only being town, it wouldnt be enough to verify!

So @Rajam - Why no counterclaim to Ebon Mr Infiltrator? That is what you are is it not?

Just now, Rajam said:

Ebon, make a full-claim. We need to get this mess out of the way

Yes, yes we do, because we might just figure it.

Just now, Rajam said:

full detailed claim. Paraphrase to avoid a modkill.

Sure, that will help.

Just now, Ardaedhel said:

Goddammit. This is why I have to use Imgur... >.>

This is disturbing, I went wrong in my head in the second column. Why did me and CNinj swopping our votes meant a tie? In hindsight this is a howler, sorry.

6 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

I think we can probably assume hes being truthful about the scanner role, because otherwise Raj would have either counterclaimed it or is also scum. But I think thats exceptionally unlikely, because why point a finger at another scum player?

Yup, so much truth.

I have no idea why I trust Mad, he has been making it **** clear all game that I can never be confirmed town on the basis of my actions the scummy git.

Fair enough Wig.

Ard, for a second, can you stop focusing on my voting behaviour and read the last 5 pages please. I get the tunnel thing, I mucked up, but seriously, a lot has happened and you really should have something to contribute other than adding a chart to confirm that yes indeed I mucked up. The chart didnt really prove anything other than what we already knew.... If you want to vote me for that then fair enough, just dont focus solely on that please. K thx bye.

7 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Good job sir, Are you going to play or just mention that you exist.

No, Scumarining is the act of scum going silent for long periods whilst they let town lynch each other. For a good example look above.

Because Ebon confirmed you as either a goddamn cop or vig, AND YOU SAY SWEET FA. You either have an actual faction check to confirm or are a vig. If a vig then your best move is to claim so scum get the awkward choice of whether to kill you or not given you are just as dangerous to town. There is nothing worse for scum than a confirmed town vig who they cant read the intentions of.

*But of course you arent either of these are you. SO WHY HAVE YOU STAYED SILENT? You didnt think it strange that Ebon was stating you to be a cop or vig? You were comfortable with that?

Why are you concerned so much about people digging into Ebon's story?

You really are an idiot. We know nothing of the sort.

So here is your most ludicrous post, but at least it clears up this mess. You are actually just an idiot.

##unvote

So @Rajam - Why no counterclaim to Ebon Mr Infiltrator? That is what you are is it not?

Yes, yes we do, because we might just figure it.

Sure, that will help.

This is disturbing, I went wrong in my head in the second column. Why did me and CNinj swopping our votes meant a tie? In hindsight this is a howler, sorry.

He's a pilot not a vig, he can run at night not kill

Just now, EbonHawk said:

He's a pilot not a vig, he can run at night not kill

I KNOW, YOU ARE A FOOL, that has been established.

Anyone still thinking on lynching EbonHawk NEEDS to go back to page 10 and reread it. Ebon goes on a burst of quotes and posts in a very short period of time (check timestamps, which are very important here), and it reeks town. Scum simply does NOT do that job (specially quoting). Whoever keeps pushing him will have to make some serious explanations

Just now, Ginkapo said:

I KNOW, YOU ARE A FOOL, that has been established.

Then why you talking about a town vig

"Because Ebon confirmed you as either a goddamn cop or vig, AND YOU SAY SWEET FA. You either have an actual faction check to confirm or are a vig. If a vig then your best move is to claim so scum get the awkward choice of whether to kill you or not given you are just as dangerous to town. There is nothing worse for scum than a confirmed town vig who they cant read the intentions of."