11 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

First: The person that said don't watch GoT is simply wrong, one of the best shows out there. It's a slow burn though, it took until season 2 episode 9 for me to be hooked( each season is 10 episodes up to season 7, it was only 7 and 8 will be 6 feature length episodes).

Second: Yes, Rebels is decent. It has serious issues by doing silly episodes(pretty much anything involving the droids or Zeb with a few exceptions). I also think it does the villains justice, the inquisitor is a really great, fairly original character. They do Vader, Maul, and Thrawn correctly as well.

Third: I tried to make it through CW and only made it to the 3rd season, i just couldn't push myself though. They do Grievous so terribly in that series, i understand they can't bring him as dark as he gets in the AS and comic series but still, he's such a (lol) cartoon villain. I swear he'd fit perfect saying "I'll get you next time gadget" throughout that series.

1) That was I. I followed the show after I gave up, to see if it redeemed itself and because I don't like leaving a story hanging, even a bad one. It didn't get better. Most of my gripes come from the later seasons. Let's put it this way - just like CW was unwatchable for you, owing to the goofiness of the characters, GoT was unwatchable for me due to the stupidity of the characters.

2) I agree.

3) Also agree. I gave up around Season 4, because that was when Phase II armor was introduced, but even by then I was picking and choosing which episodes to watch. Sure, the story, as Onidsen pointed out, was good, but the depiction of the events around it was poorly done. Like the battles between the main characters. They all appeared in Episode 3, so you knew that they were safe.

Short answer no, but in the absence of another series and if you're desperate for more Star Wars, it may do. It's very much a children's show, but unlike TCW doesn't really have anything to say. It's most interesting when it's revisiting characters from elsewhere (TCW, OT or Legends) and the best characters (the adults, Hera and Kanan) are mostly sidelined in favour of the kids who are frustrating (who have heavy episodes but then go back to being kids the next story). Ezra is just awful. Then there are these plots that went nowhere (Ezra and the Dark Side) or plots that should be explored but aren't covered at all (the moustache-twirling villain changed sides without much explanation).

Occassionally, it will do some pretty great things, but every episode has some moments on the other end of the scale, and so after 3.5 seasons it has yet to have a consistently great episode. Clone Wars had a lot of awful episodes, and the overall quality varied more wildly, but along with those lower lows (vs Rebels) it had higher highs. The Umbara Arc is the pinnacle of TCW in my view, and Rebels has nothing on that level.

I watch Rebels with my toddler. Its either that or Peppa Pig.

You people dissing it must never have watched the alternative.

On 12/11/2017 at 3:59 AM, SODABURBLES said:

I tried to watch the clone wars series on Netflix, and wasn't impressed. The show felt too kiddy and slow. Is Rebels similar, or is it better? If you do recommend it, do you have an suggested ways to watch it? I haven't had any luck finding it on any major streaming services, and it is kinda expensive to buy.

The first season of Clone Wars starts a little slow but about 2/3 or 3/4 through they figure it out and the thing is a whole lot of fun. It is for kids but I don't think it really talks down to them. Rebels hits the ground running a bit better and all I've watched has been on par with Clone Wars. Frankly it has been much better Star Wars than the last two films in my opinion. I think they're both worth watching.

Now this doesn't mean they're necessarily "for you." We don't all like the same things. But neither is a poor quality endeavor.

6 hours ago, redxavier said:

Occassionally, it will do some pretty great things, but every episode has some moments on the other end of the scale, and so after 3.5 seasons it has yet to have a consistently great episode. Clone Wars had a lot of awful episodes, and the overall quality varied more wildly, but along with those lower lows (vs Rebels) it had higher highs. The Umbara Arc is the pinnacle of TCW in my view, and Rebels has nothing on that level.

I don't know about that. There are a few solid episodes. Most of season 2 is decent. The first episodes with the Inquisitor and Tarkin are excellent and a few episodes scattered across the third season such as Through Imperial Eyes are fantastic.

I do agree that the high points of the show are counterpointed by some of the worst use of SW tropes and writing but at least a third if not half the show so far is good.

For the record I like Rebels far more then I would admit and think what it adds to the canon is more beneficial then what Clone Wars marred of the EU canon. Grievous anyone?

I quite enjoy Rebels for what it is, which is to say, a children's show with enough depth to be enjoyed by adults. I'm not entirely sure why we are comparing it to Game of Thrones of all things, I'd actually say it's more comparable to something like the rebooted My Little Pony, which was likewise a children's show that was written and animated well enough to be enjoyable by adults.

Comparisons aside, I'll also add my voice to the general consensus of season 1 being... okay, 2 being good, 3 being GREAT, and 4 not being over yet - though the heavy role of space-mom Hera and the introduction of Thrawn are both very solid selling points of the season thus far. I'd add TIE Defenders to that, but that's more because I am an unrepentant fanboy of the design rather than it actually being a major factor in the overall quality of the show

The series certainly has its ups and downs, but as long as one goes into it expecting an overall pretty decent Star Wars show aimed at a younger audience, that's what you will get. It's certainly better than a whole bunch of the old EU books that, as part of the new canon, it is "replacing".

(And, apparently because this is also part of the discussion, I found GoT to be downright "meh". Any series where I can watch the entire first season and not feel emotionally attached to a single character doesn't get me to watch subsequent seasons.)

On 12/12/2017 at 4:24 PM, Diabloelmo said:

(And, apparently because this is also part of the discussion, I found GoT to be downright "meh". Any series where I can watch the entire first season and not feel emotionally attached to a single character doesn't get me to watch subsequent seasons.)

Not to derail too much, but I 100% agree. Read the books, watched 6 or 7 episodes, and realized I wasn't interested in it anymore. There's got to be a term for that idea: Where you don't really have any interest in the characters because they're all unlikable.

2 hours ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

Not to derail too much, but I 100% agree. Read the books, watched 6 or 7 episodes, and realized I wasn't interested in it anymore. There's got to be a term for that idea: Where you don't really have any interest in the characters because they're all unlikable.

Yes, it's called being an old fuddy-duddy.

Yep, feelin’ Old.

I loved and still do love the clone wars. (Not saying my opinions all that matters or TCW was the best SW out there, buti loved it anyway)

Rebels i have a sorta love/hate relationship with. I hate the giraffe star destroyers (dont care about why they look like that, its not for me), i dislike Ezra, but i like hera, the ghost, the inquisitors, etc.

So....... i recon yoy need to watch it to decide if you like it really.

P.s. i dont think i need to metion it since every other comment says it lol, but the first season of any TV show is gonna feel slow compared to the others. (Mainly cause, you know, producers need to know how the show is recieved before going all out)

16 hours ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

Yes, it's called being an old fuddy-duddy.

I turn 30 this upcoming Monday. I'm feeling the "old" part.

3 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

I turn 30 this upcoming Monday. I'm feeling the "old" part.

Happy Birthday in advance!

11 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Happy Birthday in advance!

Hey thanks! I really appreciate it.

11 minutes ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

Hey thanks! I really appreciate it.

Hey I personally love 30, it's great. You've lost your hair (on the top of your head, but have grown more everywhere else) and your youthful exuberance, weathered lines if frustration are starting! You will now be listened to by your elders, and dismissed by your Juniors all for the same reason! Soon you will reach the best section of life! Grumbling about how thing we're different when you were young, and as a bonus yelling at kids to 'get off your lawn'! It's a glorious time!

Sarcasm aside congratulations good sir!

Rebels is a fun enough show. My only gripe with it is that it feels inconsistent at times, as if it doesn’t want to even build on its own mythology. An example is the first episode of season 3 wipes out a really intense and game changing season 2 finale in 30 minutes, almost as if the writers just said “we don’t like the direction we were going, so we’ll do an about face.”

Clone Wars is garbage until the last couple of seasons. There’s some story arcs that actually show the war turning Anakin dark. Also a few that try and fill in the gap a little as to how the force kind of works. If you’re familiar with Joseph Campbell’s works, CG Jung’s ideas, and even Black Panther Party history then there’s story arcs for you.

And just read the books with A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones). The show will get you hooked and then let you down when the writers run out of original material. The last two seasons have been nothing but sloppy story telling designed around cheaply giving audiences “the feels.”

1 hour ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

I turn 30 this upcoming Monday. I'm feeling the "old" part.

Man I miss 30. That was so long ago and far, far away.

1 minute ago, Megatronrex said:

Man I miss 30. That was so long ago and far, far away.

As long as there are no medichorians I'll allow it.

Just now, Noosh said:

As long as there are no medichorians I'll allow it.

I try to avoid magic space bacteria whenever possible. Over time I've come to accept just about everything else from the prequels but I still can't abandon my hate for that stupidity. Even Jar Jar was a better idea than midichlorians.

11 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I try to avoid magic space bacteria whenever possible. Over time I've come to accept just about everything else from the prequels but I still can't abandon my hate for that stupidity. Even Jar Jar was a better idea than midichlorians.

It goes along with Joseph Campbell’s “Birth of the Hero” myth. It was just Lucas’ way of trying to make it a little more believable in a sci-fi setting.

I know, I know. It doesn’t make any of it better. Just throwing it out there

1 minute ago, Flavorabledeez said:

It goes along with Joseph Campbell’s “Birth of the Hero” myth. It was just Lucas’ way of trying to make it a little more believable in a sci-fi setting.

I know, I know. It doesn’t make any of it better. Just throwing it out there

I remember mention of that. Sadly, it doesn't make it better. lol.

There's a reason we have supervision. The Prequels are a case study on what happens when someone is given unlimited control of their story with no oversight.

5 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

It goes along with Joseph Campbell’s “Birth of the Hero” myth. It was just Lucas’ way of trying to make it a little more believable in a sci-fi setting.

I know, I know. It doesn’t make any of it better. Just throwing it out there

You're right, it doesn't make any of it better. The force always felt so much more amazing and awe inspiring when it was undefined. Making midichlorians responsible for force powers will always bug me regardless of what story Lucas was trying to emulate.

16 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

You're right, it doesn't make any of it better. The force always felt so much more amazing and awe inspiring when it was undefined. Making midichlorians responsible for force powers will always bug me regardless of what story Lucas was trying to emulate.

Yeah. For me it’s the moment that marks the clear transition from Star Wars being fantasy in a sci-fi universe to just half baked sci-fi. Watching a child actor represent that didn’t help any.

52 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I try to avoid magic space bacteria whenever possible. Over time I've come to accept just about everything else from the prequels but I still can't abandon my hate for that stupidity. Even Jar Jar was a better idea than midichlorians.

I don't get it. What is wrong with midichlorians? Don't think of them as 'space bacteria'. Think of them as the living manifestation of the force within human beings. Not a source of the force, but of it.

2 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

Yeah. For me it’s the moment that marks the clear transition from Star Wars being fantasy in a sci-fi universe to just half baked sci-fi. Watching a child actor represent that didn’t help any.

That's a very appropriate description for the change. I was also not a fan of the mac & cheese commercial kid being Darth Vader. My Dark Lord of the Sith was always a badass, never an annoying whiny little kid.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I don't get it. What is wrong with midichlorians? Don't think of them as 'space bacteria'. Think of them as the living manifestation of the force within human beings. Not a source of the force, but of it.

If I don't think of them as space bacteria then that just makes them seem more like Thetans to me. I think I'd prefer to keep thinking of them as space bacteria. Either way taking away the mystery of the Force diminished it in my eyes.