5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Edit: To respond to the OP, I think Rebels is better than CW. CW supposedly told the tale of a galactic war and only ever depicted rare skirmishes which the Republic almost always lost, baring the Geonosis invasion.

I actually disagree with the idea that Clone Wars was supposed to tell the take of a galactic civil war. The main plot arc was the long, slow slide of the republic into the authoritarianism of the Empire, with a strong accompanying arc of the Jedi Order's blindness to their own decay.

The galactic civil war was just a backdrop against which to tell those stories. And although a number of the individual episodes were cringeworthy, that overall story was told very well.

43 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

GoT as in Game of Thrones? Best tv show currently running. Far more interesting than rebels. Choose got if your choice is between game of thrones and a cartoon. Winter is coming.

Yes, as in that show. I can't stand it. The various characters are naive or blinded by arrogance and incompetence. Plus, you hate the guts of all but Sean Bean's character. At least in Rebels plot armor explains failures and successes, as it is not focused on realism and is aimed primarily at kids. But GoT has no excuse for the idiocy of most of the characters.

I watch CW streaming on and off. It's a kids show, but SW is meant for family entertainment.

CW is great in that it actually makes the Anakin/Obi-Won relationship seem good. The show itself tackles issues such as what it means to be human and valuing life, conflicting morality that people face, how decisions are made and their consequences.

It harkens back to when I was a kid watching shows like He-Man, where there were lessons in those episodes and it wasn't just something to keep your kids quiet.

I'm late to the party here, but yes. The first season of Rebels is a little weak. They start slowly, and don't really develop much in the first season, but it's worth it to wade through to really get introduced to all the characters. Seasons 2 and 3 are pretty solid. I haven't watched Season 4.

I haven't found it on any streaming services, but it is on Disney's own service. You can watch the first 3 seasons I think for free. The 4th is also free if you have a cable subscription.

Honestly, Clone Wars is great too if you can get past a couple seasons. Season 1 is bad, season 2 is shaky, but it improves after that. I had kids in the right age range at the time for TCW, and I watched season 1 with them...and hated it. Struggled through the 2nd season also, but then gave it up. The kids didn't even care for it really. A few years later when the youngest was old enough, I gave it another try. I wanted to see if it improved, and honestly, it really did.

In both cases (Rebels and The Clone Wars) the show starts off as a kids show. Cute humor, funny antics, nothing too deep (rebels starts a little darker), but both of them start to dig into the conflict between good and evil and dig into darker elements that actually make the shows more interesting for all age groups. The Clone Wars for instance deals with malformed clones, Jedi's turning against the order and joining the separatists while killing all their soldiers. The entire arc about order 66 was great.

Just now, Onidsen said:

I actually disagree with the idea that Clone Wars was supposed to tell the take of a galactic civil war. The main plot arc was the long, slow slide of the republic into the authoritarianism of the Empire, with a strong accompanying arc of the Jedi Order's blindness to their own decay.

The galactic civil war was just a backdrop against which to tell those stories. And although a number of the individual episodes were cringeworthy, that overall story was told very well.

I agree that that tale was told well. But I didn't like that in a TV Show named the Clone Wars the largest amount of clones seen on screen in combat at any given time never exceeded 40, and that almost all battles ended in some clone yelling 'Retreat!' or in all the clones dying. It was annoying. It doesn't give the impression of a desperate struggle that the opening reel and the politics suggest, but rather a bunch of scattered encounters that overall had little effect, militarily speaking.

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I agree that that tale was told well. But I didn't like that in a TV Show named the Clone Wars the largest amount of clones seen on screen in combat at any given time never exceeded 40, and that almost all battles ended in some clone yelling 'Retreat!' or in all the clones dying. It was annoying. It doesn't give the impression of a desperate struggle that the opening reel and the politics suggest, but rather a bunch of scattered encounters that overall had little effect, militarily speaking.

Fair enough.

Rebels is a good series as a whole, with some really awesome episodes and moments, particularly in seasons 2 & 3. There are a couple of really good season 1 episodes, but as a whole it’s eh...

Season 4’s jury is out until I see how they conclude it. Similar to Force Awakens (good, but possibly great depending on the “next” movie/direction/conclusion)

Caveat: It is a kids show so there is plot armor, bad “comedy” episodes, and some “poor” strategic/tactical choices... but aside from the “comedy” episodes it’s par for course for SW.

I echo what some others have said. Season 1 was not good at all, seasons 2 & 3 is where the show shined except for a couple episodes. Season 4 has been an overhyped mess of poor writing, no direction, and just plain boring. It's become more a chore to watch season 4, and at this point im only watching it to see the story end. Too few episodes left to tie up this story with how little they've done in it so far. Also there are some really stupid concepts implemented in the show (one notably this season) that just put me off.

If you're a hard core star wars fan, go for it. Mid seasons are enjoyable, but don't expect the quality throughout or expect decent writing for much of the series.

One last gripe... don't expect to be on the edge of your seat. It loses the impact after a while.

Hmmm, Okay thanks for the feed back everyone.

5 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

I haven't found it on any streaming services, but it is on Disney's own service. You can watch the first 3 seasons I think for free. The 4th is also free if you have a cable subscription.

I haven't been able to find it for free on Disney's site. Any chance you could give me a link? From what I have read here I think I would give the show a chance if I could get it for free, but otherwise I probably skip it for now.

5 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yes, as in that show. I can't stand it. The various characters are naive or blinded by arrogance and incompetence. Plus, you hate the guts of all but Sean Bean's character. At least in Rebels plot armor explains failures and successes, as it is not focused on realism and is aimed primarily at kids. But GoT has no excuse for the idiocy of most of the characters.

I have to disagree with you on GoT. I think the best part of the show is that the characters' motivations and actions are very believable. I understand that frustration though. I experience it a lot watching some other shows. Also there are a lot of other likable characters. I think Tyrion is pretty great.

I watch Rebels, but only because it often contains content I'll see in the Star Wars games I play (Armada, Rebellion, etc.). Otherwise, I would not watch it. I find it very difficult to watch, and enjoy.

20 minutes ago, SODABURBLES said:

I haven't been able to find it for free on Disney's site. Any chance you could give me a link? From what I have read here I think I would give the show a chance if I could get it for free, but otherwise I probably skip it for now.

I couldn't find it online. However, I was able to find a Disney streaming app on my Roku TV. So if you have a smart TV, you should be able to get it.

I think it's called Disney NOW or something. There are probably IOS and Android apps if you have a tablet or phone you can watch it on. It's not the most user friendly service, but it works.

Rebels is fun, I think that’s all it’s really supposed to be.

2 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

I couldn't find it online. However, I was able to find a Disney streaming app on my Roku TV. So if you have a smart TV, you should be able to get it.

I think it's called Disney NOW or something. There are probably IOS and Android apps if you have a tablet or phone you can watch it on. It's not the most user friendly service, but it works.

Ah, okay thanks. I probably try and see if I can find it later today.

6 hours ago, Lord Tareq said:

It's a show for children, I find it mostly annoying to watch just like the clone wars version before it. However I still think its good that its there for the target audience. I can't understand adults watching and liking it however.

I have a theory. I think that there's a certain stage of life, mostly in the late teens and twenties, where people want to most distinguish themselves from children. During that stage of life, they will loathe children's things, such as "kid's shows", while somehow trying to identify the things - sometimes from their childhood, like Star Wars - with being more adult. For my part, I think I might have enjoyed the prequels a little more if they had not been released during that period of my life - the time when I was taking myself too seriously.

I think that after a while, a person tends to ease up and allow some enjoyment for the kid things to return. For parents, they get to do that through their children, as many here have already mentioned. For my part, I'm childless, but still allowing myself to enjoy kid things a little more, now that I'm in my 40s.

First: The person that said don't watch GoT is simply wrong, one of the best shows out there. It's a slow burn though, it took until season 2 episode 9 for me to be hooked( each season is 10 episodes up to season 7, it was only 7 and 8 will be 6 feature length episodes).

Second: Yes, Rebels is decent. It has serious issues by doing silly episodes(pretty much anything involving the droids or Zeb with a few exceptions). I also think it does the villains justice, the inquisitor is a really great, fairly original character. They do Vader, Maul, and Thrawn correctly as well.

Third: I tried to make it through CW and only made it to the 3rd season, i just couldn't push myself though. They do Grievous so terribly in that series, i understand they can't bring him as dark as he gets in the AS and comic series but still, he's such a (lol) cartoon villain. I swear he'd fit perfect saying "I'll get you next time gadget" throughout that series.

Both of them are entirely worth it. The benefit of SW: Rebels is that it's all official story line. And yes, S1 is weird, S2 is good, S3 is awesome, and S4 has some potential which we'll find out when they wrap it up.

The Clone Wars series suffered from a number of problems, especially with the early episodes being out of order, and a bit weak in story. However, the proper guide to watching TCW is on the link: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

Watching TCW in that order makes the whole thing WAY better.

3 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

First: The person that said don't watch GoT is simply wrong, one of the best shows out there. It's a slow burn though, it took until season 2 episode 9 for me to be hooked( each season is 10 episodes up to season 7, it was only 7 and 8 will be 6 feature length episodes).

Second: Yes, Rebels is decent. It has serious issues by doing silly episodes(pretty much anything involving the droids or Zeb with a few exceptions). I also think it does the villains justice, the inquisitor is a really great, fairly original character. They do Vader, Maul, and Thrawn correctly as well.

Third: I tried to make it through CW and only made it to the 3rd season, i just couldn't push myself though. They do Grievous so terribly in that series, i understand they can't bring him as dark as he gets in the AS and comic series but still, he's such a (lol) cartoon villain. I swear he'd fit perfect saying "I'll get you next time gadget" throughout that series.

I agree with you, including Grievous. However, I was able to keep on watching. There are indeed some sequenced of episodes that are really bad. But, I think they're worth enduring for the parts that are good. I think that just like there is a project that cuts all of the nonsense (mostly Jar Jar) out of the Prequels, there could be a similar fan-edit of the Clone Wars that ditches all of the crap.

1 minute ago, Slugrage said:

The Clone Wars series suffered from a number of problems, especially with the early episodes being out of order, and a bit weak in story. However, the proper guide to watching TCW is on the link: http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

Watching TCW in that order makes the whole thing WAY better.

I did not know that! Thanks for sharing.

1 hour ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

I have a theory. I think that there's a certain stage of life, mostly in the late teens and twenties, where people want to most distinguish themselves from children. During that stage of life, they will loathe children's things, such as "kid's shows", while somehow trying to identify the things - sometimes from their childhood, like Star Wars - with being more adult. For my part, I think I might have enjoyed the prequels a little more if they had not been released during that period of my life - the time when I was taking myself too seriously.

I think that after a while, a person tends to ease up and allow some enjoyment for the kid things to return. For parents, they get to do that through their children, as many here have already mentioned. For my part, I'm childless, but still allowing myself to enjoy kid things a little more, now that I'm in my 40s.

It's a nice theory but without any evidence except that of yourself as a case study it doesn't really hold up. Since I'm neither a teen nor in my twenties that already put a dent in your theory I suppose I just like my starwars serious, dark and gritty, which these cartoon shows under-emphasize with a focus more on the joyful, cute 'jar jar binks' parts.

58 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

First: The person that said don't watch GoT is simply wrong, one of the best shows out there. It's a slow burn though, it took until season 2 episode 9 for me to be hooked( each season is 10 episodes up to season 7, it was only 7 and 8 will be 6 feature length episodes).

Second: Yes, Rebels is decent. It has serious issues by doing silly episodes(pretty much anything involving the droids or Zeb with a few exceptions). I also think it does the villains justice, the inquisitor is a really great, fairly original character. They do Vader, Maul, and Thrawn correctly as well.

Third: I tried to make it through CW and only made it to the 3rd season, i just couldn't push myself though. They do Grievous so terribly in that series, i understand they can't bring him as dark as he gets in the AS and comic series but still, he's such a (lol) cartoon villain. I swear he'd fit perfect saying "I'll get you next time gadget" throughout that series.

I drink and I know things

I'm just going to quote a summary of the first two episodes that was posted a couple years back on a forum I frequent:

So far, at Rebels ep 2:

1) Steal incredibly dangerous weapons from Empire in order to sell them for profit to an unscrupulous arms dealer. Bloodbath ensues.

2) start lethal, property-destroying fight with Storm Troopers including grand theft Tie Fighter, over a crate of fruit that the imperials had already purchased. Bloodbath plus a lot of actual and potential harm to bystanders.
The horrified words of the Storm Trooper: "Wait...you did all this...for fruit?

Throughout, the core tension is around ****-measuring contests between the deeply irresponsible Impulsive Nearly Extinct nonhuman and the Shia LeBeouf character, plus Comic Relief R2-alike as the bridge between scuffles.

I think you'd have better luck teaching kids about ethics if you showed them Trainspotting or something else less nihilistic.

It's a show in which the heroes accidentally strafe a marketplace. It rules, if not necessarily as intended.

(also, game of thrones is a bad show because the only thing the showrunners can think to do is escalate the shocks, and the only way they can think to do that is to go further and further into the realm of Saw. Season one, an important character gets beheaded and the camera cuts away and some doves take flight. Five years later and the camera lingers as a ten year old is burned at the stake, because it's no longer enough to kill characters, they've done that plenty. No, now they have to add allegedly disturbing cruelty on top. It's transparent and it's contemptible.)

there is a lot wrong with rebels.

Hera and Thrawn do a lot of good.

1 minute ago, mxlm said:

I'm just going to quote a summary of the first two episodes that was posted a couple years back on a forum I frequent:

It's a show in which the heroes accidentally strafe a marketplace. It rules, if not necessarily as intended.

(also, game of thrones is a bad show because the only thing the showrunners can think to do is escalate the shocks, and the only way they can think to do that is to go further and further into the realm of Saw. Season one, an important character gets beheaded and the camera cuts away and some doves take flight. Five years later and the camera lingers as a ten year old is burned at the stake, because it's no longer enough to kill characters, they've done that plenty. No, now they have to add allegedly disturbing cruelty on top. It's transparent and it's contemptible.)

Wow spoiler warning for the unsullied, dude. Jeeze. Spoilerish response below because I don’t know how to do the spoiler tag.

And that was gripping television when her parents burnt Shereen at the stake. Sorry you don’t like adult tv. Stick with the kiddy shows.

7 minutes ago, Geressen said:

there is a lot wrong with rebels.

Hera and Thrawn do a lot of good.

They got Thrawn so right, it's beautiful. Hera is a character that I've grown to love over the series while still being frustrated with the "good guys" in Star Wars in general.

5 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Wow spoiler warning for the unsullied, dude. Jeeze. Spoilerish response below because I don’t know how to do the spoiler tag.

And that was gripping television when her parents burnt Shereen at the stake. Sorry you don’t like adult tv. Stick with the kiddy shows.

Ya, I just decided I'd ignore the guy who hated a show because someone died. #notenoughdoves

18 minutes ago, Lord Tareq said:

It's a nice theory but without any evidence except that of yourself as a case study it doesn't really hold up. Since I'm neither a teen nor in my twenties that already put a dent in your theory I suppose I just like my starwars serious, dark and gritty, which these cartoon shows under-emphasize with a focus more on the joyful, cute 'jar jar binks' parts.

Mostly true (I have more data points, I just did not use them as examples), but I'm also not attempting to submit my theory to a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

Incidentally, I would also prefer my Star Wars serious, dark and gritty. That's what I really liked about Rogue One. But I know that I have to share Star Wars with the all the generations of a nearly world-wide (but still mostly Western) audience.

I expected Rebels to be aimed at the young crowd so when my wife and I sat down to watch I joked "let's see how many Stormtrooper are stunned or use parachutes when their TIE's are destroyed".
I shut up when the first episode had 30+ kills for the Rebels crew.

yes it has some things geared towards kids (Season one especially) but it ALSO has some amazing easter eggs for the old timers (Stormtrooper transport! Ralph Mcquarrie back grounds!). I eaagerly wait for the next episode now and recognize that there is a MUCH better rebel pilot than Han or Luke...

we watch it on Amazon...pay $2 with no thought to it because it is GREAT star wars. The 2 part finale to season 3 is more Star Wars than Star Wars!