Is there a good use for expose?

By Browncoat50, in X-Wing

At first glance I know the answer is no. It's expensive, requires an action makes dice modification hard.

The decimator and vcx seem like okay candidates for this since they have 0 evade as is.

I have been tempted to try a heavy syck with expose and linked battery. Still 2 green dice plus predator like re roll.

Anyone else ever break out this black sheep EPT?

Can't take it on vcx.

I used to see it on decimators combined with EL. Very good on RAC. But most prefer having engine instead.

I've actually tried running it on wuff with EL and wooks. Take expose and reinforce as your two actions. It's fun as you can get 6 dice at range 1 once his ability kicks in, but dependant on dice luck.

Edited by markcsoul

There is. But it's not appropriate to say what on this forum...

No. End of thread.

And now this thread is sent to the seemingly endless depths of old forum posts.

14 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:

No. End of thread.

I disagree

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You can use it on Decimators for builds that really aren't competetive (with EI/Ysard), but won't fold immediatly if the opposition keeps out of the highest tier.

Friend of mine flies this for fun. There are better builds for RAC though...

(99)

•Rear Admiral Chiraneau (64) - VT-49 Decimator
Expose (4), •Ysanne Isard (4), •Rebel Captive (3), Hotshot Co-pilot (4), •Experimental Interface (3)

•Soontir Fel (35) - TIE Interceptor
Push The Limit (3), Royal Guard TIE (0), Autothrusters (2), Stealth Device (3)

You don’t want EI alongside Isard. EI stress you and Isard is an action. I’d do Expose+Palp though.

Decimator is about the only possible candidate. For Expose to be worthwhile, you a) need to get another action so you can modify your shot and b) need to not suffer any agility reduction. What else can do that?

1 minute ago, Ailowynn said:

You don’t want EI alongside Isard. EI stress you and Isard is an action.

You’re wrong. Ysanne Isard is good with EI because it allows you to perform the experimental interface action in the combat phase not the activation phase. You target lock as your action, then beginning of combat phase perform a free evade action, which allows you to trigger experimental interface. Works great.

For Fun squads, sure! Oicunn on the Decimator with Title and Expose works all right, if you can somewhat reliably ram the enemy without engine upgrade.

The main point against it, after all, is that the cost of an action means that increasing your attack value means forgoing a more reliable normal attack. That doesn't mean it can't come in handy.

The other way to use this that I've tried out is to put it on Youngster and play pretend X-Wings. In both cases, it should be very obvious were the faults are, but for beer and pretzels? Sure, why not, if you like to test your luck.

Before Palp came around I got 4th at a store championship with RAC equipped with E.I and Expose alongside standard Whisper.

It was my first tournament and before all the major shenanigans hit, so it did well.

A good use beyond a Bookmark? Probably not so much. If it granted another action or assigned a focus token for doing that sure. Otherwise outside of youngster on TIE’s without a worry about being shot at, no. It might work better with ships that can coordinate again not taking fire from another ship, but with heavy turrets it’s even less likely to see use than it used to.

Expose on Keyan Farlander with Maul and Advanced Sensors. It's not the best thing ever- but it's doable.

2 hours ago, Ronu said:

... a Bookmark?

Was wondering how many responses before this would be said.

2 hours ago, Ronu said:

... If it granted another action or assigned a focus token for doing that sure.

Or even granted re-roll on [eye] results (a la Wookie Commandos)

I guess Sarco Plank might be a potential platform, seeing that when he's moving 2-speed or faster he can effectively ignore the Agi penalty.

Edited by ABXY

Just realized...we’ve been missing the Youngster swarm! Expose on Youngster and Howlrunner somewhere in the squad...it’s not great, but if your dice roll hot it could shred some stuff. And only one guy pays the price of the -1 agility. Or maybe a couple, I suppose, depending on how quickly the first dude pops.

I think Expose+Experimental Interface isn't a bad combo on the Decimator, and maybe even competitive. Maybe not the best option possible, but I think it is in the running.

Essentially, at the cost of a stress token you have a 4 dice PWT and still get a regular action to focus/target lock.

The main problem with Expose is that it sucks away your action, which means no dice mods. Chireneau and Experimental Interface fix that problem. You can get focus for modding dice, plus Chireneau's pilot ability is in-built modification.

While you do give up PS9-10, I don't think that is super important for the Decimator. It's generally super predictable being a large based ship with no inherent repositioning. You're just a rolling PWT, increasing the effectiveness of that seems like a decent investment.

Edited by BadMotivator
56 minutes ago, ABXY said:

I guess Sarco Plank might be a potential platform, seeing that when he's moving 2-speed or faster he can effectively ignore the Agi penalty.

A intriguing thought. I had to mock it up:

Sarco Plank (18)
Expose (4)
Dengar (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Experimental Interface (3)

Total: 30

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

On 2 banks or 3 straight he's throwing 3 red dice with dengar rerolls, with no penalty to his defence and an open action, but overall that's a pretty crappy dial for EI/PTL type stuff.

Yeah, I would say Expose and Experimental interface on a Decimator is the best.

3 dice and a focus is better than 4 unmodded dice, so if you are going to use it, you want to make sure the 4 dice have mods still.

It could be okay on an Auzitcuk, since the reinforce is auto-evade. Maybe this?

Wullffwarro (30)
Expose (4)
Rey (2)
Maul (3)
Experimental Interface (3)

Ezra Bridger (Sheathipede) (17)
Elusiveness (2)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
M9-G8 (3)

Total: 65

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Not sure what to do with the 35 points that are left...

Edited by HanScottFirst

Wullffwarro (30)
Expose (4)
Ezra Bridger (3)
Maul (3)
Experimental Interface (3)

AP-5 (15)
Inspiring Recruit (1)
R2 Astromech (1)

Total: 60

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Similar take on the build above, gives you 40 points to spare instead of 35

Problem is that it is an action EPT and one with a greater cost than simply using your action. There really is only two ships than could make any real use of the ship and they are both Imperial.

  1. First is Vader which has two actions but then again you are sort of taking the strength of Vader away just to put him in what is essentially a (T-65) X-wing and we already know how well they perform.
  2. The second is the obvious VT-49 Decimator where the loss of agility doesn't make that much of a difference. Only problem is now you are removing you action unless you put on Experimental Interface which takes away your EU or pair him up with an Upsilon Shuttle. Still I am not exactly sure how well two 4 Firepower ships will work in the meta. It isn't like we are seeing a slew of HLC Outrider and VCX (w/o title) running rampant out there.

But yeah Expose is just one of those early upgrade cards where no one not even FFG not even the creator knew how the game would play out. On paper it looks good as a red die > a green die but the loss on the action economy is too big of a hit and again with spending points now means larger MOV for your opponent when it dies. Now that mistakes of the past have been revealed Expose is just one of those could have been alright EPTs but now completely outclassed along with the likes of Expert Handling and Marksmanship.

Edited by Marinealver

It would probably be perfectly reasonable to errata it to say,

Expose: At the beginning of the combat phase, if you are not stressed, you may increase your Attack value by 1 and decrease your Agility by 1 till the end of the Combat phase, then receive a stress token.

Edited by BadMotivator

There are uses for it, but they generally don't exceed what can be done with different card combinations and pilots...

Keyan, Expose, EI

Corran, BB8 FCS, Expose...

Sarco Plank can use it as well...

Edited by Ravncat
10 hours ago, Browncoat50 said:

Anyone else ever break out this black sheep EPT?

In epic is the only time I've felt tempted to use it.

Howlrunner, Youngster with Expose, some focus-token-generating crew on other ships, and a full squadron of Crack Shot Black Squadron Pilots is something not to field if you like having friends.

That only works, however, because:

  • Thanks to Howlrunner and the Fleet officers (the well-known Belgian Jazz band), you're still getting dice modifiers despite wasting your action on expose
  • Black Squadron Pilots fire at PS4, early enough not to get blown to crud by corvettes and PS1-3 generics before they shoot
  • Thanks to Youngster, expose essentially costs 1/3 of a point per ship
  • If you were so inclined and didn't mind mixing eras, you could throw some Crack Shot Omega Specialists into the mix as well

In a 'normal' 100 point dogfight? No thanks.

For Fun, Zuckuss with Expose can bring some laughs.

8 hours ago, Ailowynn said:

Just realized...we’ve been missing the Youngster swarm! Expose on Youngster and Howlrunner somewhere in the squad...it’s not great, but if your dice roll hot it could shred some stuff. And only one guy pays the price of the -1 agility. Or maybe a couple, I suppose, depending on how quickly the first dude pops.

I use Youngster with Expose in Epic quite often. It's quite useful on 8+ Obsidian TIEs.