6 minutes ago, melminiatures said:

The overall plot was a summarized version of ESB and ROTJ together with a different ending

This was the biggest feeling I came away from the movie with. I mean that scene with Kylo taking Rey to Snoke in the elevator? I’m pretty sure some of that dialogue was lifted directly from the original scene in ROTJ

My biggest disappointment was that the Rebel fleet support ships did nothing other than run away. It would have been nice to see the support ships fire off a turbolaser or two, or make an attack run. Not just run out of gas and....slow down even more.

My other reactions have been covered by previous posts. Mixed reaction, but am eager to revisit the movie tomorrow for further analysis.

3 minutes ago, Maturin said:

My biggest disappointment was that the Rebel fleet support ships did nothing other than run away. It would have been nice to see the support ships fire off a turbolaser or two, or make an attack run. Not just run out of gas and....slow down even more.

My other reactions have been covered by previous posts. Mixed reaction, but am eager to revisit the movie tomorrow for further analysis.

At the very least they could have broken off and jumped in different directions to try and salvage SOMETHING...

But they needed the space artillary (which I actually enjoyed the aesthetic of) to blow a few things up, and the writers seemed keen to have the resistance lose everything and become a ragtag handful of fighters

I also REALLY enjoyed the visual representation of the Turbolasers hitting the Mon Cal’s shields. It’s the best that has looked in any of the films

My rankings (roughly, probably need another viewing of Last Jedi to sort properly):

5, 3, R1, 4, 8, 7, 6, 2, 1

Yeah, I ranked Sith in my top 3. Yeah Rouge One was better than a lot of the other movies. I don't know if I dislike Clones or Menace more. Both are kinda lousy.

4 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I also REALLY enjoyed the visual representation of the Turbolasers hitting the Mon Cal’s shields. It’s the best that has looked in any of the films

ditto here. I liked that little touch.

3 minutes ago, Stasy said:

My rankings (roughly, probably need another viewing of Last Jedi to sort properly):

5, 3, R1, 4, 8, 7, 6, 2, 1

Yeah, I ranked Sith in my top 3. Yeah Rouge One was better than a lot of the other movies. I don't know if I dislike Clones or Menace more. Both are kinda lousy.

I like to rank movies a bit more dynamically. I did this at request on FB earlier today:
I’ll need to see TLJ a couple-a-few more times to really judge, but my categories are (with choices in order):
Story: I put Rogue one on top, with ESB and TLJ tied (for now), and RotJ a close 4th.
Entertainment: TLJ, TFA, AotC
Drama: ESB, R1, AotC
Un-predictability: TLJ, R1, TPM
Funny: TLJ, TFA, TPM
Fan Service: TFA, AotC, R1
Overall Favorite, in order: R1, RotJ, TLJ, TFA, ESB, RotS, ANH, AotC, TPM.
List likely to change with subsequent viewings.

4 minutes ago, Stasy said:

My rankings (roughly, probably need another viewing of Last Jedi to sort properly):

5, 3, R1, 4, 8, 7, 6, 2, 1

My rankings:

4, 6, 5, R1/7/8 about equal.

There are no others.

3 minutes ago, Maturin said:

My rankings:

4, 6, 5, R1/7/8 about equal.

There are no others.

A like for you!

7 minutes ago, Maturin said:

My rankings:

4, 6, 5, R1/7/8 about equal.

There are no others.

Star Wars is dead. All hail nu-Wars! Where story doesn't matter and rules can always(and should) be broken. Where lazy plots and lazy writing are the rule(what do you think the mouse is made of money? Chop, chop let's get this thing out!) and characters must make a quippy joke every 5min like clockwork.

Good: Del Toro. His part was superfluous and could easily have been cut out, but he was the only actor having fun in an Ed Wood-teir movie. Loved him showing Rose's hypocrisy in hating the arms dealers, who were cartoonishly evil(in nu-Wars? No!), but the resistance still bought their gear. Loved the whole "good, bad, I'm the guy with the money" thing he did. Oh and he was actually acting, as in, taking on a role other than himself, unlike the rest of the cast.

The Rey-Ren thing. 50-50, not a fan of the dumb "the force raised her up in opposition to Ren's power, so she's not a Mary-Sue guys! Totally!", or the change in the force to a taoist duality "balance" from a western "the dark is the imbalance, and needs to be removed for balance", but the times when they were force chatting seemed like the only times they were acting.

Rey is nobody. Beautiful. I hope it isn't just Sith lies.

Relativistic kill vehicles are a thing now. Awesome! I can't wait for the next Armada expansion: Asteroid with Hyperdrive. /s

The Bad: The humour. Constant 4th wall breaking winks to the audience, and inappropriate times for jokes made the thing a cringe-fest. You know what would've made the Throne Room scene in Return better? If after the Emperor says; "you want this, don't you?" if he bonked the lightsaber on Luke's head complete with cartoonish sound effects. It felt like a Marvel movie without the marvel charm.

Rule breaking. This is a nerd point I know, but one of the things needed in a fantasy setting(not the genre) are rules for the things that break real-world rules. This is what makes Star Wars so fascinating for us nerds, is the world-building. But if you constantly break established rules then it's just deus ex machina, and that's cheap and bad storytelling. Rules broken: Hyperspace is just "pull the lever and you're there". Force ghosts can effect reality now. I don't think I need to tell you why this breaks the setting worse than RKVs. You don't need training in the force, just do what you feel(and hope you're a main character). And others, realistically, are nerd nit-pics.

World building. There was none AND they wrecked all the(meager) world building of FA. Who is Snoke? Who cares he's dead now. What new exciting fighters and ships do the resistance fly? Only one. Luke? A whiny coward now. Yoda? Bats***-crazy. Some of these are nerd nit-picks but the fact remains, every other movie ADDED something, this just took away.

CGI. Oh my god Snoke was pure uncanny valley and Yoda actually looked better in the prequels(turbos hitting the shields was good though).

nu-Ewoks. Chewie should've eaten the thing.

Rankings since everyone's doing them: 5, 4, 6, R1, 7, 3, 1, 2, 8.

I know that Star Wars isn't high cinema, that it's a food equivalent to a burger, I'm not asking for haute cuisine here, only that you put some effort and love into your art. At least cook the burger properly, give me a fresh bun and some mustard and/or ketchup. Don't give me raw meat on a stale bun and tell me "just turn your brain off man! It's just Star Wars!". To some of us nerds it meant a little more.

Leia Organa

I really gonna hate that scene. It was so... irrelevant, why making it ridiculous also?

Despite that, I liked it. I could elaborate more or less but that's the conclusion.

29 minutes ago, melminiatures said:

I'm totally stealing this image. Freaking brilliant

Bytheway, having worked for a week on the First Order Dreadnought 3D model (and still working on it). Seeing it blow up 5 minutes after it's appearance almost made me cry...

43 minutes ago, Teh HOBO said:

Star Wars is dead. All hail nu-Wars! Where story doesn't matter and rules can always(and should) be broken. Where lazy plots and lazy writing are the rule(what do you think the mouse is made of money? Chop, chop let's get this thing out!) and characters must make a quippy joke every 5min like clockwork.

Good: Del Toro. His part was superfluous and could easily have been cut out, but he was the only actor having fun in an Ed Wood-teir movie. Loved him showing Rose's hypocrisy in hating the arms dealers, who were cartoonishly evil(in nu-Wars? No!), but the resistance still bought their gear. Loved the whole "good, bad, I'm the guy with the money" thing he did. Oh and he was actually acting, as in, taking on a role other than himself, unlike the rest of the cast.

The Rey-Ren thing. 50-50, not a fan of the dumb "the force raised her up in opposition to Ren's power, so she's not a Mary-Sue guys! Totally!", or the change in the force to a taoist duality "balance" from a western "the dark is the imbalance, and needs to be removed for balance", but the times when they were force chatting seemed like the only times they were acting.

Rey is nobody. Beautiful. I hope it isn't just Sith lies.

Relativistic kill vehicles are a thing now. Awesome! I can't wait for the next Armada expansion: Asteroid with Hyperdrive. /s

The Bad: The humour. Constant 4th wall breaking winks to the audience, and inappropriate times for jokes made the thing a cringe-fest. You know what would've made the Throne Room scene in Return better? If after the Emperor says; "you want this, don't you?" if he bonked the lightsaber on Luke's head complete with cartoonish sound effects. It felt like a Marvel movie without the marvel charm.

Rule breaking. This is a nerd point I know, but one of the things needed in a fantasy setting(not the genre) are rules for the things that break real-world rules. This is what makes Star Wars so fascinating for us nerds, is the world-building. But if you constantly break established rules then it's just deus ex machina, and that's cheap and bad storytelling. Rules broken: Hyperspace is just "pull the lever and you're there". Force ghosts can effect reality now. I don't think I need to tell you why this breaks the setting worse than RKVs. You don't need training in the force, just do what you feel(and hope you're a main character). And others, realistically, are nerd nit-pics.

World building. There was none AND they wrecked all the(meager) world building of FA. Who is Snoke? Who cares he's dead now. What new exciting fighters and ships do the resistance fly? Only one. Luke? A whiny coward now. Yoda? Bats***-crazy. Some of these are nerd nit-picks but the fact remains, every other movie ADDED something, this just took away.

CGI. Oh my god Snoke was pure uncanny valley and Yoda actually looked better in the prequels(turbos hitting the shields was good though).

nu-Ewoks. Chewie should've eaten the thing.

Rankings since everyone's doing them: 5, 4, 6, R1, 7, 3, 1, 2, 8.

I know that Star Wars isn't high cinema, that it's a food equivalent to a burger, I'm not asking for haute cuisine here, only that you put some effort and love into your art. At least cook the burger properly, give me a fresh bun and some mustard and/or ketchup. Don't give me raw meat on a stale bun and tell me "just turn your brain off man! It's just Star Wars!". To some of us nerds it meant a little more.

I totally agree. There was a lot of weird stuff. And to total lack of world building in this new series is driving me crazy. the Rule breaking was all over the place. The humor was sometimes ok, but often times completely distracting. "Chrome Dome?" Really? Maybe Harrison Ford could pull something like that off, but I really don't think John Boyega did.

Plus the movie just felt... long.

I'm also with you, I don't care what anyone else said, Benicio del Toro was awesome. And you are right, he felt like the first person who was actually fun to watch. Plus, I think he has the potential to be a hugely interesting character. I loved when he said, (paraphrasing) "Today they win, tomorrow you will win, it doesn't matter." And when Finn says that's not true, he simply shrugs and says, "maybe you're right". That is an interesting character I want to see more about.

But I honestly do want to love the movie, and maybe it could grow on me. But there was a lot lacking.

6 hours ago, draco193 said:

I don't think he told them to look for the cloaked ships, I think he told them the rebels were loading up on the transports to get off the cruiser. So they just knew to look for small ships.

I also don't know how the cloaking works, but maybe it's a bit more like silent running for a sub than for a real cloaking?

I need to see it again (and I’m going to), but I’m pretty sure the FO says his payment is at least partly for revealing how to find the cloaked Resistance ships.

But it even if the cloaking wasn’t involved, how would he know the Resistance plan? He’s a random guy from another planet; even Poe didn't know the plan.

And it seems like cloaking is just hitting a few buttons on a keypad. If I have a problem with anything, it’s that. I know technology advances, but it seems like something that should be addressed (my opinion).

I liked the movie quite a bit, especially Kylo and Rey. I also felt it did it’s own thing and did not rip off the ot.

1 minute ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I'm also with you, I don't care what anyone else said, Benicio del Toro was awesome. And you are right, he felt like the first person who was actually fun to watch. Plus, I think he has the potential to be a hugely interesting character. I loved when he said, (paraphrasing) "Today they win, tomorrow you will win, it doesn't matter." And when Finn says that's not true, he simply shrugs and says, "maybe you're right". That is an interesting character I want to see more about.

It’s not that I didn’t like him or his character, I actually think he did a great job and made his character very interesting with good depth and intruige.

Its just that that whole story line was irrelevant.... They go do this secret mission looking for the one dude who can help them, see him for a split second and then magically happen to find an equally skilled code-Breaker in jail? And then when they weren’t able to disable the tracker and Poe’s all “JK brah we called an audible and are all going to the planet don’t worry about the tracker anymore”...

it just seemed very drawn out and ham handed for litererally no pay out other than “Rose and Finn are crushing on each other now”

Fair enough. I was pretty disappointed in that storyline as soon as I found out it wasn't lando (I had a tiny hope it could be talon karrde). But when Benicio showed up. I was in it again. But yes the whole thing was ridiculous.

I suddenly realised how awesome would it have been if they called Lando instead of Maz Kanata. Exactly the same scene but Lando giving the info.

Just came from the theatre. WOW! Absolutely phenomenal film!

All of my expectations were blown out the water because the film defied expectations. There's going to be a core group of people on here that are going to hate it, and I understand why, but as Kylo said "that's the problem, you're still holding on! Let go of the past!"

The Last Jedi managed to tell a unique story while paying tribute to the past films. Yes there are scenes that feel directly like the Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi but unlike the Force Awakens, I never felt like the homages were ever obvious or out of place.

The Porgs were actually bearable, the writing was excellent, and Luke was incredible. With Rian Johnson at the helm of a new trilogy the future of Star Wars is in good hands.

My current film rankings if we must:

4, 5, 8, R1, 3, 6, 1, 2, & 7.

Yeah i was thinking lando too. The whole casino planet sequence had so much more potential. They could even have chucked in a cameo by bossk or boba fett. Would have been great.

21 hours ago, Bivicius said:

@Arttemis

any idee why an astronaut uses a space suit ?

It minus 257 degrees Celsius out there . An no pressure .

And she gets forcefully blown out the cruiser by 2 direct missie hits . Not even a trained Jedi would survive that . Would indeed been better If kylo just blasted her to smittereens.

Biv

I didn't say space was as hospitable. I did say that a vacuum is barely thermally conductive - much less than air, let alone water - meaning it wouldn't immediately freeze a person nor even feel like it... Furthermore, they were within a solar system featuring at least two stars, so the amount of thermal radiation would increase that listed temperature substantially. And again, a lack of pressure is only a difference of 1 Atmosphere, which is barely enough to make your ears feel discomfort. Deep sea divers experience pressure differentials orders of magnitude greater than getting sucked out into a vacuum.

Humans can't live in space, but it's not like being subjected to those conditions are an immediate death sentence.

@Bivicius The Jedi are practically super human so yes I think most could survive getting sucked out as Leia did and in fact I think there are multiple examples throughout the EU of this occurring.