14 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I don't think that's true, she's back on her feet by the end of the movie. Doesn't really seem to make sense to taker her out, put her back, and take her out again in the next film.

Sorry, I should've been clearer here. I meant she is out of action for the second act of the film; the middle part. Enough time for Holdo to take over and Poe to start his mutiny. Then she returns to restore order by the end.

I liked your point about the diplomatic force abilities; that would explain a lot.

2 minutes ago, Captain Warden said:

Sorry, I should've been clearer here. I meant she is out of action for the second act of the film; the middle part. Enough time for Holdo to take over and Poe to start his mutiny. Then she returns to restore order by the end.

I liked your point about the diplomatic force abilities; that would explain a lot.

On our way out of the theater my friend said "he had been waiting 34 years to see Leia use the force". It came off cheesy because of the pose, but I agree it was cool to see her use the force in a very obvious way.

Good film. Better than TFA (although that’s not a terribly high bar).

A bit plodding in the middle & the find the hacker plot could have been shorter.

Hux is an awful character. Saturday morning cartoon villain. But with less depth.

One reviewer called it best film since Empire. I don’t think so. (And I admit nostalgia will likely always keep the original trilogy in the top 3).

I really hope they give somebody sort of explanation of how Snoke rose to power/learned to Force/ was doing all throughout the republic and rise/fall of gr empire.... maybe they left it intentionally vague for a stand alone movie? The Star Wars wiki says he trained at least one other apprentice in addition to Kylo so there’s definitely a lot left to explain

4 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

Good film. Better than TFA (although that’s not a terribly high bar).

A bit plodding in the middle & the find the hacker plot could have been shorter.

Hux is an awful character. Saturday morning cartoon villain. But with less depth.

One reviewer called it best film since Empire. I don’t think so. (And I admit nostalgia will likely always keep the original trilogy in the top 3).

I've currently got it at #4

5,4,6,8,R1,7,3,1,2

Though I enjoy Hux. Every boss I've ever had has had a level of incompetence matched with only by their pride, it's amusing to see that in Star Wars. Big bad Hux, falling for a "your mom" joke. Beautiful.

8 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I really hope they give somebody sort of explanation of how Snoke rose to power/learned to Force/ was doing all throughout the republic and rise/fall of gr empire.... maybe they left it intentionally vague for a stand alone movie? The Star Wars wiki says he trained at least one other apprentice in addition to Kylo so there’s definitely a lot left to explain

Or maybe we'll get some kick *** EU books. I read the **** outta a "Snoke: rise to power" trilogy.

8 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I've currently got it at #4

5,4,6,8,R1,7,3,1,2

Though I enjoy Hux. Every boss I've ever had has had a level of incompetence matched with only by their pride, it's amusing to see that in Star Wars. Big bad Hux, falling for a "your mom" joke. Beautiful.

I think my current order is

5, 4, 6, R1, 8, 3, 7, 2, 1

4 minutes ago, ISD Avenger said:

I think my current order is

5, 4, 6, R1, 8, 3, 7, 2, 1

I'm always amazed when I don't see 2 at the very bottom. Then again, Jar Jar wasn't enough to ruin EP I for me, not everyone can tolerate him.

1 is so much better than 2. Two is just so awful...but with 1, flag parade and duel of the fates are worth the price of admission alone.

5, 4, 6, R1, 3, 7, 1, 8, 2

Edit: Moved 8 way down after digesting it for a day and realizing how much it stomped on the OT and didn’t give a **** about the universe/lore

3 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

1 is so much better than 2. Two is just so awful...but with 1, flag parade and duel of the fates are worth the price of admission alone.

Still my favorite lightsaber fight in the entire franchise

Was I the only one disappointed when Rose saved Finn from his sacrificial act to save the rest of the group?

In my opinion, Finn brings nothing to the table. It's clear that they established him as a character who doesn't take sides-- so I guess he is the new Han fill-in? Either way, his character remained dispensable up until that point in the movie.

1 hour ago, Captain Warden said:

Additionally, Kylo has just taken his finger off the trigger and decided not to kill his mom, but then his wingmen do it instead. No reaction from him whatsoever. Is he concerned for her wellbeing? Does he think that she's doomed to death? Does he sense her survival? Who knows? It should've served a much greater purpose in the narrative.

Agreed here. I expected Kylo to go crazy and kill the pilot who took that shot.

As for those complaining about her surviving in space, other than her not blowing up like a balloon and her staying conscious for more than 15 seconds (which we can chalk up to force stuff), her survival is super believable: https://www.space.com/30066-what-happens-to-unprotected-body-in-outer-space.html

I think this was certainly the most entertaining of all of the SW films. Not necessarily the best written, or most dramatic, but the most entertaining and variable of the franchise.

Just now, Tiberius the Killer said:

1 is so much better than 2. Two is just so awful...but with 1, flag parade and duel of the fates are worth the price of admission alone.

Episode II just had so many flaws that eat at me when I watch it.

The tone of the movie makes no real sense to me. It's all angst and melodrama. Even in characters like Obiwan Kenobi, his spat with Anakin about how developed the kids senses are, his drama with Dooku, the whole "I'll never join you" cliche. Of course Anakin's role was cringey to watch. The love story makes no sense. The only part in that movie where Anakin felt like a real person was after he killed the sand people. The emotion made sense there.

But even beyond that stuff. The extensive use of CG for everything, the bad choreography for the saber duel at the end. I hate Jango Fett as a character. "Hi let's ride the coattails of the Boba Fett obsession, CHA-CHING!"

The recasting of Anakin allowed for a golden opportunity to tell the clone wars story properly, but Lucas messed it up, he got too focused on the love story...

Episode II is hard to watch, especially around people who don't know Star Wars. I feel like I have to make excuses for the bad writing, "No man, I swear, they aren't all just about teenagers angsting, I swear, there's space battles and everything".

19 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

"No man, I swear, they aren't all just about teenagers angsting".

But I was gonna go to Toshee station to pick up some power converters!

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I'm always amazed when I don't see 2 at the very bottom. Then again, Jar Jar wasn't enough to ruin EP I for me, not everyone can tolerate him.

You forget little Ani.

Not many can tolerate him either

1 hour ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I really hope they give somebody sort of explanation of how Snoke rose to power/learned to Force/ was doing all throughout the republic and rise/fall of gr empire.... maybe they left it intentionally vague for a stand alone movie? The Star Wars wiki says he trained at least one other apprentice in addition to Kylo so there’s definitely a lot left to explain

Theres also explanation needed for how he managed to get access to ben solo as a boy. It cant be just 'used the force'!

1 hour ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I really hope they give somebody sort of explanation of how Snoke rose to power/learned to Force/ was doing all throughout the republic and rise/fall of gr empire.... maybe they left it intentionally vague for a stand alone movie? The Star Wars wiki says he trained at least one other apprentice in addition to Kylo so there’s definitely a lot left to explain

3 minutes ago, Ophion said:

Theres also explanation needed for how he managed to get access to ben solo as a boy. It cant be just 'used the force'!

I felt the same way after watching the movie. Hopefully they will make a book about Snoke that goes into all the details. It's a shame it didn't make it into the movie but at the same time a book will be able to flesh him out a lot better.

5 minutes ago, KingCHUD said:

I felt the same way after watching the movie. Hopefully they will make a book about Snoke that goes into all the details. It's a shame it didn't make it into the movie but at the same time a book will be able to flesh him out a lot better.

I woulda been ok with eliminating the Benecio del Toro rediculousness in favor of more Snoke.... I feel like they tried to cram SO MUCH into one movie and were left with a bunch of unresolved storylines and a general feeling of “huh... I guess that’s it for that?”

Having just watched TLJ, I accept that my generation of Star Wars has ended.

Also, wtf flying Leia??? They need to write her out for obvious reasons, and it was RIGHT THERE! It would have been much more emotional for both the audience and Kylo if she actually died there.

Instead we got a weird scene in which we see her use force powers for the first time ever, quite powerfully if I may add, and then just have that never get acknowledged ever again..... There was no mention of it in TWO WHOLE MOVIES other than that bizzaro Space flight

At first when she reached her hand out I thought she would just communicate with Luke as her dying action connecting with the Force, but then.... Space Superman.....

I just saw it. I applaud that they did something different with it (even though the overall plot was a summarized version of ESB and ROTJ together with a different ending).

But I liked that they broke all the silly teases from the previous one. The lightsaber is not important, Snoke is not important, Rey's background is not important, Kylo is no longer in the obvious path of redemption....

I loved every scene with Luke, Rey, Kylo and Snoke.

I dont think they knew what to do with Finn, so they gave him his side-movie with his little arc, love interest and villain. But it was all terrible. The Casino, the fight with Phasma, Maz's cameo, the whole idea of the sidequest to another planet while a chase is going on...

The structure of the movie was a mess. After the chase starts the movie stops, in one hand to have Luke and Rey have their grest scenes (which is great) but it is constantly cutting to Finns quest and the VERY repetitive scenes of the chase.

Also, why does every Star Wars movie have a scene with a creature that can be completely cut off in the middle of it?

The dianoga, the space slug, the rancor, the planet core, the alakay/nexu/reek, the boga, the rathtars and now the race horses. If you cut any of those scenes from each movie the plot is not affected at all.

2 minutes ago, melminiatures said:

Also, why does every Star Wars movie have a scene with a creature that can be completely cut off in the middle of it?

The dianoga, the space slug, the rancor, the planet core, the alakay/nexu/reek, the boga, the rathtars and now the race horses. If you cut any of those scenes from each movie the plot is not affected at all.

Because Star Wars

45 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

I woulda been ok with eliminating the Benecio del Toro rediculousness in favor of more Snoke.... I feel like they tried to cram SO MUCH into one movie and were left with a bunch of unresolved storylines and a general feeling of “huh... I guess that’s it for that?”

The question is what payoff they are setting up for a future movie. The whole casino arc gave Finn and Rose time to establish some kind of rapport that will be critical if their character arc has to be important in Episode IX. (And, to some extent, Finn and Rose's bit of dialog at the end). The key thing is that, so far Finn is a character 'in between' different points. He's in the middle of a story arc, and so needs events that develop it. Which is what all that was needed for.

And the hacker...I mean, who knows. Lando was introduced in V to play a bigger role in VI, so...

6 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Also, wtf flying Leia??? They need to write her out for obvious reasons, and it was RIGHT THERE! It would have been much more emotional for both the audience and Kylo if she actually died there.

Or when Admiral Holdo remained on the flagship to decoy the First Order away - another great spot to have Leia end her arc, and bonus - we'd then get Holdo in the next movie, too!

As my wife pointed out, though, you'd then miss out on the Luke and Leia reunion scenes on Crait...which were really great to have, so...

(Really, it just highlights how much of a problem Carrie Fisher's death was. Not just sad, but also really throwing on its head whatever story was originally planned for IX.)