4 hours ago, Ritalbringer said:

Ninja cutting onion scene for sure. As well as Yoda's appearance and, for me, Luke's death...

Luke is not dead. Luke is one with the force. He has become stronger than we could possibly imagine.

3 hours ago, DScipio said:

Saw it yesterday. We discussed nearly an hour after wards in person and another hour on WhatsApp.

What I think:

What was bad:

• First 10 Minutes of the movie.
• The Crawl is just the worst movie opening ever: Fingersnap, now the first order has the upper hand and controlls the galaxy.... How did they win a war so decisive, that the term "Republic" is not even mentioned in the whole movie . So it seems the Republic not only had enmassed their WHOLE Fleet on their seat of goverment. No fleets are still around in the vast galaxy. (Possible explanation: The New Republic wanted no new central navy because Palapatine missued it the last time, and it was the standard before the clone wars). However, the members of the republic seem to also have no fleet or even ships (not even in contruction) with wich they could resists the First Order. So its just a fingersnap to do what was the life time achivement of Palpatine (which we now know was far smarter than Snoke).
• Why build a super "battleship" when all its flak can be destroyed by a single Ace and the whole ship by a crippled bomber?
• the term "battleship" destorys the whole StarWars feeling. Okay I just saw that its just bad translation, in english its Dreadnought, which just ruins the much beloved Dreadnought class.
• Hux is the embodiement of a military fool descending into clownery. Every line of dialog of him was bad. 100%.
• Why bombard the immovable planet first and then the cruiser? Is common sense really so hard to write in a script?
• why is the frist order having no bombers at all (a squadrons of simple TIE Bombers seem to win all of the three major engaments in the movie)? But at least they developed a ground bound superlaser to open up ... giant doors.
• so after reskinned TIE Fighters and X-Wings, we get reskinned A-Wings, very lazy.
• Snoke ... bold move to let him just die... to bold. it was just very unispiring and disappointing. the whole "I can read every feeling" was a big too thick... considering he obvious couldnt.
• ballistic trajectories in space? Was the whole "chase" around a sun or a black hole? Bombs dropping in space (our possible solution: the racks they were put on could also propell them)
• the Chase? Nobody in the Imperial navy has the idea to jump before them with a hyperjump? No other ships can be called to cut their way? They sent out 3 fighters, which manage to destroy the bridge and their response is not to just sent more fighters but to withdrawn this three? and meanwhile the resistance even flies away, recruit a stranger and infiltrate the enemy superdestroyer on their way back
• Luke just throwing away his light saber when he gets it...
• Poe just walking to the chief in command and demanding to know more, (perhaps this was possible because she never wears an uniform?)
• the red power rangers
• Plot device again: We just hyperjump through the Suprememacy. I wonder why nobody every came on that idea, when it easily is THE best way to destroy large ships as ill equiped Rebels.
• Weapon selling is the most evil thing, we ram it down your throat. Its very evil! No they wont mention that there are child-slaves just under their nose.
• the stormtroopers are 100% extraneous. They are complety irrelevant for the whole movie. Their only thing is to fight with BB8 that just hijacks an AT-ST and blasts them away.

Indifferent

• Phasma doing the "Boba Fett" into fire
• Reys parents are just hobos (or did the Sith just lie?)
• some more aliens in the restistance, but still very few
• Leia`´s vacuum return (bad: they even just opend a door for her)
• Light saber fights. Wow they were so much more thrilling in Ep 1-3
• A LOT, A LOT of budget and screen time for "funny little creatures"
• a lot of comedy even slapstick
• the battle of Hoth in salt scene... I wanted to laugh when I saw it, but then I thought... okay its just trenches and gun positions. That SHOULD happen a lot in a conflict.
• The AT-M6 didnt look to silly in the movie, despite its silly name. Still not very creative.

Good

• Every Rey scene, just very well made. Her crude grasp of the force, her character, her dialoge ... erverything.
• the whole Kylo Ren . /. Rey realtionship. Good action, believable characters and development.
• Poes charackter development, although it was a bit quick
• Rose and other minor charakters like Kaydel Ko Connix, Amilyn Holdo
• the captain of the Mandator IV -class warship . Just the way a want a Imperial captain, and the best phrase in the whole Star Wars setting: "We should have deployed fighters 5 Minutes ago"
• The new Resistance bombers
• The mixture of repition of the Empire strikes back setting with total new and different characters: Histroy repeats itself but not the same. Best example: The eleveator scene: it was just like Luke and Vader, but Rey and Ren are total different characters.
• Nice landscape, but I didnt came for that.
• Mandator IV -class and the Suprememacy didnt look to silly in the movie.
• Plans just fail. The whole scanner sabotage, Finn` s drive into the Superlaser. Rey`` s plan to redeem Ren.
• Lukes final actions, that was well made.
  
  
  For me its a 8/10. Why you ask, as so much is bad? Because the movie is about Ren ./. Rey and when you fokus on that and some niche battle scene, its jaut a good movie.

This is an excellent review, and I can agree with most of it. I will add that I actually liked the throne room fight scene, and every scene with Luke was brilliant.

16 minutes ago, Darth Lupine said:

This is an excellent review, and I can agree with most of it. I will add that I actually liked the throne room fight scene, and every scene with Luke was brilliant.

I liked the throne room fight too, I just found that the red guard did to many "power ranger" moves when they were not fighting.

Was Jessika and Snap replaced by different actors or were those pilots someone else entirely.

Talking about the Awing pilots

Ackbar should have been the one piloting the Raddus into Snokes Compensation. . Otherwise easily the most beautiful scene in the series.

I love the twist on the Vader/Luke relationship they are telling with this film. Where Rey teams up with Ren, but as soon as they've defeated Snoke, immediate falling out due to ideological differences. Also I really like how Kylo played Smoke at the end of that segment.

Luke was fantastically done. His story arc was very believable and well crafted. Unfortunate that the best characters in the sequel series are the old guys they kill at the end. (Not that I dislike the new characters, but Luke and Han are what made TLJ and TFA the most fun.

More when. I get to work

I want to know the name of the commander of the Mandator class....that guy is my new hero, lol. Kept fighting his ship to the end, incredibly hard bitten and professional, unlike Hux. The look on his face as his ship went down was utter contempt and defiance. Awesome.

17 minutes ago, Darth Lupine said:

I want to know the name of the commander of the Mandator class....that guy is my new hero, lol. Kept fighting his ship to the end, incredibly hard bitten and professional, unlike Hux. The look on his face as his ship went down was utter contempt and defiance. Awesome.

It really was a shame he died, he seemed competent. Lol my biggest complaint with the film was the Star Wars fans ******* about how this ruined their childhood. Is it a 10? no, it's somewhere between 7 and 9 depending how much credit you want to give it(I'm in the high mid to high 8 land). I just looked up the metacritic ratings and it's crazy how the base critic rate is in the 90's while the audience is in the 60's.

I quite enjoyed it. I thought Rose and Finns adventure could have been a bit shorter but minor quibble.

Loved the opening sequence. The bombers felt like WW2 bombers on a desperate daylight run.

As always a bit of plot armor for the heroes and stupid pills for the villains. I do believe though Rebels and several books have shown the Empire didn't promote the best and brightest, but the most politically savvy.

If anyone can point out where I can acquire a crystal fox plush, my wife would be wildly happy.

Ok. So for all of you who think Leia in space was unrealistic, stupid, impossible, cringeworthy, etc.

Im ignoring that the movie is about a moronic redneck who searches for a teacher in a universe where space wizards fight to save princesses with their magic powers and laser swords...

Leia in space was actually completely realistic or plausible given physics and what we’ve seen of the force.

1) Death in space will not ever be by freezing. Stop thinking that. Conductive and convective heating do not work in space. All that is left is radiative heating which is very slow.

2) We see Yoda lift an Xwing. Is it so unrealistic that Leia tries to grab a ship and pull it to her - causing her to go to it due to mass differences. The speed isn’t a problem as there is no friction. She still applies significantly less force (he he) than yoda did.

3) The unrealistic part is no burst blood vessels. That is forgiven in a kid’s movie.

4) Them opening the door without air rushing out: You see Fighters fly through some invisible barrier when they leave the flight decks why wouldnt certain doors have that feature as well to prevent complete decompression of a ship?

I love that my phone autocorrected “Yoda” to “God’s.” Good marketing by Star Wars. /s

3 hours ago, DScipio said:

The Crawl is just the worst movie opening ever: Fingersnap, now the first order has the upper hand and controls the galaxy.... How did they win a war so decisive, that the term "Republic" is not even mentioned in the whole movie. So it seems the Republic not only had en-massed their WHOLE Fleet on their seat of government. No fleets are still around in the vast galaxy. (Possible explanation: The New Republic wanted no new central navy because Palapatine misused it the last time, and it was the standard before the clone wars). However, the members of the republic seem to also have no fleet or even ships (not even in construction) with which they could resists the First Order. So its just a fingersnap to do what was the life time achievement of Palpatine (which we now know was far smarter than Snoke).

Boy I cannot tell you how much I disagree with this. lol

I thought the lack of fleets made complete sense and really appealed to disparity of the galaxy.

The Republic had been actively engaged in dismantling arms. (I believe it was part of their treaty with the Empire). With the lasting sting of the Empire only 30 years in the past it was likely also an initiative to bring back some of the systems disenfranchised by the idea of a centralized galactic government. (Like you said "New Republic wanted no new central navy because Palapatine misused it the last time, and it was the standard before the clone wars").

The First Order was not actively engaged in warfare before TFA, they used middle men to move people and resources, kept the bulk of their ships in the unknown regions. The New Republic had NO IDEA that there was an open threat to the galaxy. So it makes sense that their security fleet would be localized around the system the housed the government. Before TFA it was a cold war.

Now there are still fleets around the galaxy. I imagine there are several systems with large fleets of their own, but if the First Order is only gunning for the resistance, with a furious might I may add. As an independent system, with no back up from a centralized government, why would you join the fight? You have to consider the point we're at. The First Order hasn't achieved domination yet. They have the ships, according to intel the resistance received just before the movie (in the battlefront II campaign), but they wanted to eliminate the resistance before setting out to reign in the systems. No one knows that there's a massive fleet designed to dominate the galaxy about to be unleashed.

4 hours ago, DScipio said:

Why build a super "battleship" when all its flak can be destroyed by a single Ace and the whole ship by a crippled bomber?

To be fair, Poe is the best pilot this galaxy has seen so far. I think it's fair to say, they didn't expect that during the design process, but also keep in mind many of the large super weapons used in the SW universe don't rely solely on AA canons, they rely on Tie swarms to defend vulnerable areas. (Think Death Star, Death Star 2, Super Star Destroyer, Shield Bases).

4 hours ago, DScipio said:

so after reskinned TIE Fighters and X-Wings, we get reskinned A-Wings, very lazy.

I find this kinda silly. Why would they spend literally billions of credits to develop a new, untested, fighter when they could just improve the designs of an older model. Why do Car brands release updated but similar version of their older models. Lazy reskins?

4 hours ago, DScipio said:

Snoke ... bold move to let him just die... to bold. it was just very unispiring and disappointing. the whole "I can read every feeling" was a big too thick... considering he obvious couldnt.

Really? Hmmm. Well I suppose I could see it being kinda anticlimactic, but I thought it was one of the stronger points of the movie. They red herring'd the viewers so hard. "Who is Snoke? Is he related to ole pappa palpy? Is he Darth plagueus?" Nope, just some jerk with force powers that took over the old empire. I also saw this as the completion of Kylo's training.

Kylo isn't Sith, which is a common misconception, be he is certainly following in their steps.

4 hours ago, DScipio said:

Weapon selling is the most evil thing, we ram it down your throat. Its very evil! No they wont mention that there are child-slaves just under their nose.

I mean when you're selling to both sides of a conflict and politically perpetuating that conflict. A conflict that has killed untold Trillions of people, yeah, that's pretty effed up. Child slavery is up there too, but slavery isn't uncommon in the SW universe.




Altogether I agree on most of the points.

I think what really made the movie was how broken Luke was. His disparity over his failure with Kylo.

He sensed the future about everything that's happening in this trilogy through Ben that night, all the death, the hatred, destruction, and on reflex alone he ignited his saber to strike out at it, realizing the second he lit the blade that he had just created that future. He didn't even have time to take it back.

Right now I have it as a 9/10. Probably my 4th favorite star wars movie.

27 minutes ago, Church14 said:

I love that my phone autocorrected “Yoda” to “God’s.”

Truth has be spoken.

I am one with the Force and the Force is with me

I really enjoyed TLJ. There are a ton of audience reviews that are sharting on it, and now that it's out officially I think this weekend will level that out.

Its certainly easy for non die-hard Star Wars fans to get into this one, it just felt more accessible the secondary characters can be very relatable - i.e. Finn doesn't really care about who wins or loses, he cares about his friends. Rose is a sentimental political activist. Carrie Fisher's daughter is the quiet resistance officer whos not above a little mutiny.

I felt the cuteness stuff was a little overdone, but my girlfriend loved it. Now we need to get Porgs and Crystal Foxes and whatever that horse thing was called.

Every scene with Luke was amazing. At first I didn't like the Kylo/Rey connection but it showed them both as young people caught up in galactic going-ons as they try to find their way. It grew on me and culminates in the throne room scene and was very satisfying.

I don't mind the Leia Space Wizard scene so much because it establishes one thing: Leia has learned to use her force powers and can instruct Rey on its use *and* teach her the ways of galactic government/command. Also she can now get herself a double lightsaber thats been hinted at since TFA.

If there are a few years jump from 8 to 9, I' love to see Leia written out (only because Carrie passed) by natural death causes after shes passed on everything she had to Rey.

They already established a bond in TFA. Also, what I found rreeeallllyyy interesting was Yoda Force Ghost can manipulate the force after death.

I also didn't mind the Wing Commander / BSG desperate hyperspace into the big ship to blow it up, it was a tactically sound position at that point and should be one done very rarely because the resistance cant afford to lose capital ships like that. But taking out Snokes ship? When they didn't know Snoke was dead? Good call.

4 minutes ago, eliteone said:

I felt the cuteness stuff was a little overdone, but my girlfriend loved it. Now we need to get Porgs and Crystal Foxes and whatever that horse thong was called.

I would agree. The lady was borderline sobbing at how cute the porgs were. I actually kinda lost it at BB8 in the ATST.

Please no horse thong. We don't need to ruin Star Wars with that.

3 minutes ago, Alzer said:

I would agree. The lady was borderline sobbing at how cute the porgs were. I actually kinda lost it at BB8 in the ATST.

Please no horse thong. We don't need to ruin Star Wars with that.

Haha, that's what I get for trying to comment via mobile commuting to work on the train.

6 hours ago, Ritalbringer said:

I so **** agree with you!

People complains about Leia surviving in space (daughter of Anakin Skywalker, quite a powerful Force user), but yeah, nothing about the fact that we see fire in space, hear explosions and engines in space, that people are fighting using light (guns or swords), etc. Beside that, I'm ok with the fact that the scene should have been done in another way maybe. But she survived in space thanks to the Force, so what?

I love to watch these movies like I watched the trilogy for the first time: with child's eyes. Don't take it too seriously in terms of logics. Remember that some people understands when droids or wookies talk in these movies

All of those things are established in the universe... surviving in the vacuum of space isn’t. The fact that she is perfectly fine hours later is what makes it stupid, why have her get sucked out the window in the first place?

The first 30 mins of this movie was awesome... the rest was nothing more than the most boring slow speed chase, a pointless PETA mission in space Vegas, and Luke not giving a flying fart about anything

The scene where Luke milks that ******* seal thing pretty much sums up the entire plot of this movie and trilogy... milking it

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Ep 7 was about Han and 8 Luke, and it is pretty obvious they were setting up Ep 9 to have a major arc for Leia. She was going to teach the new generation how to build a Rebellion.

Bummed we won’t get to see it.

Anyone else think the roasted porgs Chewy cooked up looked delicious?

7 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

Anyone else think the roasted porgs Chewy cooked up looked delicious?

The porg seemed to think so too

6 hours ago, DScipio said:

Or just friends? Did you ever heard the term "friends"? Why does a female and male charakter always have to be either siblings or in a romantic relationship?

Because they seem closer than friends but not romantic. In other words, like siblings.

So thinking of TLJ in terms of Armada anyone else think that the Mc85 is going to be the first ship we get with 6 shields on at least 1 hull zone? lol

1 minute ago, Darth Sanguis said:

So thinking of TLJ in terms of Armada anyone else think that the Mc85 is going to be the first ship we get with 6 shields on at least 1 hull zone? lol

And Redundant Shields as auto-feat ^^

Interesting note. Those big boxy things that were pulling the Siege cannon on Craig...

Those are AT-HH’s; All Terrain Heavy Hauler.

I know LEGO put out that AR-ST set that looked like the Strandbeest... nowhere in the movie. These things have multiple sets of legs that look like that though.

Also of note... they have windows and turrets on the front of those things. How did they not see Finn drag rose away from the crash?

2 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Also of note... they have windows and turrets on the front of those things. How did they not see Finn drag rose away from the crash?

After a single viewing perhaps all my timelines are a bit hazy but I thought he dragged her in at about the same time Luke was showing up, so maybe they were distracted? Could be wrong.

4 minutes ago, draco193 said:

After a single viewing perhaps all my timelines are a bit hazy but I thought he dragged her in at about the same time Luke was showing up, so maybe they were distracted? Could be wrong.

Yeah, that is possible. It just surprised me that after Kylo said no Quarter, no Mercy, that no one took some pot shots at them. They could have been distracted by Luke though.

This movie was silly...had some funny moments...but didn't feel like a Star Wars movie to me...